Like button??? Thread

Hello everyone,
As I was a indie game developer working on games I noticed that sometimes even if something is looking awesome people dont comment cuz it's a work in progress and they arent experts in that department.So the updates we show seem like they arent that good.This can happen with mods too,but it's happening much more to indie games that are just starting.
So if there is a Like Button we can have at least that kind of support.It could really bring more people to this sites,and indie developers would get some boost and encouragement.

I hope you will read this suggestion,thanks.
When you vote in poll,please ellaborate why did you choose that answer

Edited by: blackdragonstory

Honestly if you aren't getting comments then maybe the media you guys are showing isn't as awesome as you might think.
At first people will think it's a good idea that we have a like button. Then the next thing people will want will be a dislike button. IMO a dislike would be more important than a like button since it's better if the majority of the watchers tell you if you're doing something wrong then if it's a neutral like.

ModDB does have a counter to resolve all this anyways... It's the views you get on the page or news section; if you're getting a lot then it means people are watching your page. Watchers = the fans, or people that like the Indie or mod, and the view counter is the likes because if they cared then they'd view all the content you guys share.

Well,I just thought mod db needs some update on the page.It's been a long time since I seen any noticable change.Give it some freshness.
The world isnt the same as it was ex. 2006.

Icedecknight wrote: Honestly if you aren't getting comments then maybe the media you guys are showing isn't as awesome as you might think.

It may not be like super duper awesome like games done by "real" company like konami,activision...cuz it's not possible.
Game project here start from very start and people show even stuff that arent finished.
So when I do something sometimes and show I want people to comment on it...what is good what is bad.All I see is people seen it and that's it.
I know that when game enters final stage people will do that.So I then ask myself why do I even put images before final version....
Anyway throwing away an idea just because you think it would bring more work on to you later is just a lame excuse.
Btw I am not sure how this view counter works.Does it count every time you enter.Even if you are the same person,or every 1 hour....

blackdragonstory wrote: Well,I just thought mod db needs some update on the page.It's been a long time since I seen any noticable change.Give it some freshness.
The world isnt the same as it was ex. 2006.

Go have a look at the ModDB of 2006 I think you will notice quite a bit mate.

It would feel like FaceBook, it's to many people just pressing "like" because they can and they do for different reasons, I rather have the developers asking the users questions when promoting an update, what do you think about this new update? how you like this new future? make it more interactive. A like is like someone saying good and I feel as developer I rather have a reason why it's good or bad. Like you want a reason why people are voting for or against to use "like" button =)

HeroBiX wrote: It would feel like FaceBook, it's to many people just pressing "like" because they can and they do for different reasons, I rather have the developers asking the users questions when promoting an update, what do you think about this new update? how you like this new future? make it more interactive. A like is like someone saying good and I feel as developer I rather have a reason why it's good or bad. Like you want a reason why people are voting for or against to use "like" button =)

That's my problem with it.No one says anything soo I get neither good nor bad soo it's seems like I am doing it for myself.
Or rather that everyone is just interested in playing the game at the end.It's like they dont understand the hard work we are putting into something.
Creating games isnt that easy...

Thats how things are in every media, entertainment, industry that are developing something, people are taking things for granted and think as you said, it's easy to develop games, movies, music etc. Telling people it's taking 2-3 years making a good game or movie often shocks them.

It's hard getting reliable feedback or any feed back at all. Try looking around the forum to ask people to become game testers for your game, have a short questioner to give to the people willing to try your game out, even ask people designing there own game, in exchange they are helping you game testing your game, you will game test theirs.

Yea, like and dislike buttons for images, videos, etc could be useful. It would make more sense than the karma system for the comments. Although it should show both likes and dislikes with separate counters.

I can't see how like and dislike button helps a developer, if someone press dislike, how should I know what he dislikes in my game, is it a bug? the mechanic dosn't work? the story is not solid? same with like, dosn't provide valid information if you want to make your game better

HeroBiX wrote: I can't see how like and dislike button helps a developer, if someone press dislike, how should I know what he dislikes in my game, is it a bug? the mechanic dosn't work? the story is not solid? same with like, dosn't provide valid information if you want to make your game better

Well,it is better than just showing how many views is there.
This could go like an avalanche,see facebook,twiter,myspace,youtube...
Now you dont know even if people like what you post if they dont comment.Adding likes might drive on people into commenting...

It sounds more to me that people dont like facebook,soo assimilating something in from it is bad,cuz facebook is...
For me facebook is a good place to contact people you know and share images and stuff,and other I mentioned are good as well.
If you arent going to do it for facebook which is all like and dislike,do it for youtube which is the most popular video site ever.

Very true, I understand the benefits of having like and dislike, getting a fast response what the general audience think about the game

I would like to hear some word from site supervisors.Head people of mod db.
My proposiotion can only benefit mod db/indie db and us game developers.

We already have a way to gauge interest, it's called the Watch list, we also get updates that way. Fuck the web2.0!

Well,I propose a voting from the side of mod db heads.
Everyones opinion is important.But still,someone that isnt a developer might not see the benefit of it.
Watch list is a good thing,but it doesnt mean you will see just those updates you really like.

Also that image of that kid a women.It's not like that.I am not asking people to give me money,do stuff for me...
It's that when people see much likes they think it's something good,soo they go and see it.When they see it,if it's good or bad they might comment.If in the description says to explain what you think about it.People might give an actual response and that would benefit developers.

Expanding mod db/indie to something like that,and changing background would give us nice update to the whole site
Developers are creating astonishing artworks every day,so why not making a contest in next mod db/indie db background?

blackdragonstory wrote:
Everyones opinion is important.But still,someone that isnt a developer might not see the benefit of it.

You're talking to one that's been apart of several mods. I've modeled, rigged, drawn, programmed, managed a team of 5 (6 including myself). At the beginning when I first started the content I shared was mediocre, and thus there was no applause waiting for me when I posted it. Later on when I learned to communicate with the community and receive advice I was able to improve on all the content I put out in every aspect. The system that ModDB has up is equal if not superior to any statistic related info-gatherer out there. If you're that desperate just link your ModDB page to your Mod's Facebook page, and that settles your problem.

blackdragonstory wrote: I would like to hear some word from site supervisors.Head people of mod db.
My proposiotion can only benefit mod db/indie db and us game developers.

We wont be doing it. We are a development site with a little bit (almost tiny) of social software. Our focus is not to emulate what people do on other sites our focus is to bring a tool set for developers to showcase their work to a established audience. It is a good idea just not what we want for the site.

Henley wrote:

blackdragonstory wrote: I would like to hear some word from site supervisors.Head people of mod db.
My proposiotion can only benefit mod db/indie db and us game developers.

We wont be doing it. We are a development site with a little bit (almost tiny) of social software. Our focus is not to emulate what people do on other sites our focus is to bring a tool set for developers to showcase their work to a established audience. It is a good idea just not what we want for the site.

It seems to me that suggestion forum is useless,cuz anything we suggest will not be done...even if it's something small as a like button,change of background.
If you think you are doing a super job,I dont think so.
Every developer is like a singer,to do stuff audience is needed.Who would want to sing just fot themself.

Icedecknight wrote:

blackdragonstory wrote:
Everyones opinion is important.But still,someone that isnt a developer might not see the benefit of it.

You're talking to one that's been apart of several mods. I've modeled, rigged, drawn, programmed, managed a team of 5 (6 including myself). At the beginning when I first started the content I shared was mediocre, and thus there was no applause waiting for me when I posted it. Later on when I learned to communicate with the community and receive advice I was able to improve on all the content I put out in every aspect. The system that ModDB has up is equal if not superior to any statistic related info-gatherer out there. If you're that desperate just link your ModDB page to your Mod's Facebook page, and that settles your problem.

And yes I know when a game/mod starts stuff doesnt look great,but that doesnt mean people dont like it.
Also what games attract is regular people withouth knowledge on any aspect of game development,so where is that established audience?

Anyway,I give up...
Be stubborn and fail

blackdragonstory wrote:

Henley wrote:

blackdragonstory wrote: I would like to hear some word from site supervisors.Head people of mod db.
My proposiotion can only benefit mod db/indie db and us game developers.

We wont be doing it. We are a development site with a little bit (almost tiny) of social software. Our focus is not to emulate what people do on other sites our focus is to bring a tool set for developers to showcase their work to a established audience. It is a good idea just not what we want for the site.

It seems to me that suggestion forum is useless,cuz anything we suggest will not be done...even if it's something small as a like button,change of background.
If you think you are doing a super job,I dont think so.
Every developer is like a singer,to do stuff audience is needed.Who would want to sing just fot themself.

You know, simply because something is suggested does not mean that absolutely has to be implemented. Henley admits that it's a good idea, but it doesn't fit within the scope of the site. A simple like button does not feedback (which is one of the main purposes of this site) make and popularity is more than adequately handled by existing mechanics such as watching and views.

A better suggestion would have been something like deviantArt's critique feature, where users can rate object "x" in criteria "a, b, and c" as well as a requirement for detailed feedback (what went right, what went wrong, etc.). That serves the same function, but in a way more useful to a developer

blackdragonstory wrote: Anyway,I give up...
Be stubborn and fail

You asked, a mod answered. That you do not agree with this answer does not mean they are automatically doomed to fail, and this attitude actually shows a shocking degree of entitlement (being a classic "Do what I want because I said so or or else" demand along with the low-level temper-tantrum declaring the DBolical staff incompetent and an entire section of the forum useless because a single suggestion of yours was not implemented).

This is not a social site and it's not a place for people to stroke their egos. It is a place for developers to gather, pool their resources, talk shop, improve themselves, advertise their games, and potentially (via Desura) sell them.

The absence of a "like" button hasn't hampered the DBolical family of websites in its, so far, eleven year life span and will likely continue to not do so.

It's not that I am angry that my suggestion isnt good for them.
I said that cuz whenever I see suggestion forum,people do suggest all kind of stuff but the ones that asked for suggestions decide to brush all that away and do it their way.Why asking for suggestions?Then they should make a forum "What we shoulnd do"...
I am just disapointed by all suggestion forums I encountered since now and it was pretty early when I wrote that

TerranAmbassador wrote:
You asked, a mod answered. That you do not agree with this answer does not mean they are automatically doomed to fail, and this attitude actually shows a shocking degree of entitlement (being a classic "Do what I want because I said so or or else" demand along with the low-level temper-tantrum declaring the DBolical staff incompetent and an entire section of the forum useless because a single suggestion of yours was not implemented).

And I am not calling them incompetent...
Maybe I just want to change mod db a bit cuz I am here every day,and seeing everything the same it's like nothing has changed since when I joined.But I changed,others have too.Why doesnt mod db want to change?
Background,different side images,idk some imagination.
If it was a hard work I would understand,but it's the easiest thing nowdays...

Anyway can you confirm that someones suggestion was accepted?
It happens so rarely if it happens at all...

blackdragonstory wrote: It's not that I am angry that my suggestion isnt good for them.
I said that cuz whenever I see suggestion forum,people do suggest all kind of stuff but the ones that asked for suggestions decide to brush all that away and do it their way.Why asking for suggestions?Then they should make a forum "What we shoulnd do"...
I am just disapointed by all suggestion forums I encountered since now and it was pretty early when I wrote that

TerranAmbassador wrote:
You asked, a mod answered. That you do not agree with this answer does not mean they are automatically doomed to fail, and this attitude actually shows a shocking degree of entitlement (being a classic "Do what I want because I said so or or else" demand along with the low-level temper-tantrum declaring the DBolical staff incompetent and an entire section of the forum useless because a single suggestion of yours was not implemented).

And I am not calling them incompetent...
Maybe I just want to change mod db a bit cuz I am here every day,and seeing everything the same it's like nothing has changed since when I joined.But I changed,others have too.Why doesnt mod db want to change?
Background,different side images,idk some imagination.
If it was a hard work I would understand,but it's the easiest thing nowdays...

Anyway can you confirm that someones suggestion was accepted?
It happens so rarely if it happens at all...

We change things all the time, just not the look of the site. We are a small team we have myself and intense who are the only full time employees, we then have three part timers who each do admin work. Having said that the main reason we are not jumping at the bit to add these 'features' is that every time we do something of the sort they get stupidly abused to the point where we want to remove them. The last great example is the track back information within a few hours porn spammers found a way to use that tool to get better soe rankings within Google. The reason our sites work so well is due to the fact that stuff is easy to search on Google so it makes it easier to find.

Adding a +1 or a like button will no doubt suffer the same fate, people will abuse it so more people look at their stuff, the people who use it legitimately will suffer and we would have wasted time implementing it correctly rather then just adding it for the sake of having the button (we wont do that). So there you have it, we do actually implement a whole lot of ideas from this forum, most of the tools on our site where implemented because developers wanted the functionality so saying otherwise is just closed minded.