Legalization Thread

Any weed smokers here? Let's start a fight about legalization. I'm pro-pot and I wanna hear some other opinions.

I think marijuana should be legalized for a lot of reasons. I'm not going to throw them all out there right now because I want to hear some replies first.

Basically, drugs are considered any substance that alters the mind and can be harmful/fatal to the person or those around them. While marijuana does alter the state of consciousness, it does none of the things that other substances in the same category are notorious for.

Marijuana has a recorded death toll of ZERO. There have been no deaths directly attributed to it. It leaves no long-term lasting effects other than the obvious lung-damage that comes from smoking anything. In fact, it is less harmful than its two legal counterparts: alcohol and cigarettes, both of which kill thousands annually. It does not cause loss of reality nor does it impair judgement in the ways recent commercials have depicted it.

On the other hand...LSD, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, crack, and crystal meth...all of the drugs that are thrown in the same bin as marijuana, have drastic and sometimes fatal risks. The average 150 lb. person would have to smoke an estimated 900 joints in one sitting to reach a lethal dose of weed. Now, I don't know about you, but I can't smoke 900 joints in one sitting. I've tried, and it just ain't happening.

Marijuana has also been proven to assist with such medical problems as glaucoma, migraines [severe headaches], cancer, and even small bugs and viruses.

So I ask, what do you think? Should marijuana be legalized?

- Edited By 40ozFreak On Mon 9th, Dec 2002 @ 8:51:40pm

No.

You're just giving influence to frick up the minds of today's teenage society, and turn them braindead, and make them stupid.

No.

And no.

CheapAlert wrote: No.

You're just giving influence to frick up the minds of today's teenage society, and turn them braindead, and make them stupid.

No.

And no.

Do you even know anything about the subject for which you're arguing? Braindead? Since when did someone go brain dead from smoking marijuana? I guarantee you it has never happened, unless they smoked 900 joints. Educate yourself and then argue.

- Edited By 40ozFreak On Mon 9th, Dec 2002 @ 8:52:02pm

you may or may not be freacking up peoples minds, but that blue text has got to go... you talk about destroying someones mind... well kiddies this is the way to do it!

Lol yeah I was sorta noticing that

people say that it takes away your motivation, but i will disprove this with a quote
"it doesn't demotivate you, it only makes you realise that everything is pointless"
yeah.
but there is nothing wrong with it, it relaxes you, makes you more sociable, and you do not get violent, only sometimes taken if taken with alcohol.

i watched a doco on it:D

also it reduces the risk of fatal crashes because you tend to drive slower:rambo:

hey, wtf is your problem
trying to legalize pot
it will never happen, and why, so you dont have to spend 5 more years
in prision for getting caught with pot?
well
you go smoke a joint and then die from lung cancer and kidney problems

oh, and this is a forum for SERIOUS TOPICS ONLY
not for raving teenage dushbags like you, trying to get drugs

hey azz0r, can you delete this topic
this is heading the wrong way already

- Edited By NavySEAL On Tue 10th, Dec 2002 @ 7:54:51am

Drugs are bad

Simply put

Completely a waste of time, money and brain cells

And legalization COULD cause people to take them for granted, since they are no longer illegal they are no longer 'interesting'. Iffy. Of course 'interesting' isn't the only reason kids take drugs. Try 'depressed' and 'suicidal' too.

Sad, today's youth.

If you actually were a member of NORML or had any interest in writing your congressman or anything, you'd realize that acting like Mr pothead isn't going to get you anywhere. Just because you've read some statistics from someone's websites doesn't mean anyone has any interest in perpetuating some argument that won't affect anything.

I personally think all drugs should be legalized, we spend unreal amounts on a drug war and compund prison overcrowding problems that wouldn't exist, were there legal channels for it. I don't care who's smoking crack, really... I mean, knock yourself out. But in the end it doesn't matter, because legalization would mean a considerable downsizing of police and special task forces and such. I have talked to a judge in florida who shares my opinion, but he is very clear that it won't happen because it's used as a political tool for elections and a budget appropriations tool for law enforcement.

The fact is a joint fits into the "bad for you" category somewhere between a filtered cigarette and an unfiltered cigarette. I mean, smoking unfiltered tar is *never* good, be it tobacco or sensimilla.

@ NAVYseal - Serious topics? You mean like Michael Jackson? Ha! Also, the topic wasn't going the wrong way until you started talking to me like an ignorant child. I'd appreciate not being spoken to like that.

@ SA - Today's youth? How old are you? I'm 19.

@ khrome - Acting like Mr. Pothead I'm not...but it's my understanding that this forum is for discussions. First of all, this is one of the biggest debates in the U.S. right now and if you have no interest in the matter, DON'T RESPOND. I also didn't just read some lame statistics and then spit them out verbatim into this thread. I happen to know what I'm talking about. I know the limits of my knowledge, and I'm not about to start a discussion about something I haven't educated myself on. Know what I'm sayin?

@ everyone - Listen, I didn't post this to be amusing or to have you pass judgements on my character. I did it because I thought that it would be interesting to hear others' opinions on the matter. I'm glad you've enlightened me as to how friendly people are when it comes to serious matters like drugs. I don't mean any disrespect or offense, but I just wanted to talk about it minus all the personal jabs.

- Edited By 40ozFreak On Wed 11th, Dec 2002 @ 3:20:44am
- Edited By 40ozFreak On Wed 11th, Dec 2002 @ 3:23:47am

Close this topic before it gets too influental, pot can mess you up VERY bad, like this unfortunate pothead who completely blew his life.

40ozFreak wrote: @ NAVYseal - Serious topics? You mean like Michael Jackson? Ha! Also, the topic wasn't going the wrong way until you started talking to me like an ignorant child. I'd appreciate not being spoken to like that.

@ SA - Today's youth? How old are you? I'm 19.

@ khrome - Acting like Mr. Pothead I'm not...but it's my understanding that this forum is for discussions. First of all, this is one of the biggest debates in the U.S. right now and if you have no interest in the matter, DON'T RESPOND. I also didn't just read some lame statistics and then spit them out verbatim into this thread. I happen to know what I'm talking about. I know the limits of my knowledge, and I'm not about to start a discussion about something I haven't educated myself on. Know what I'm sayin?

@ everyone - Listen, I didn't post this to be amusing or to have you pass judgements on my character. I did it because I thought that it would be interesting to hear others' opinions on the matter. I'm glad you've enlightened me as to how friendly people are when it comes to serious matters like drugs. I don't mean any disrespect or offense, but I just wanted to talk about it minus all the personal jabs.

Good topic, sorry some people misunderstood the aim of it; discussion.

NavySEAL wrote: not for raving teenage dushbags like you, trying to get drugs

hey azz0r, can you delete this topic
this is heading the wrong way already

Who say's he's a teenager? Even if he was it doesnt mean if the law changed he'd be getting free pot would it? no.

This topic isnt heading the wrong way at all; your steering it with stupidity.

I REPEAT

CheapAlert wrote: pot can mess you up VERY bad, like this unfortunate pothead who completely blew his life.

azz0r wrote: Good topic, sorry some people misunderstood the aim of it; discussion.

Who say's he's a teenager? Even if he was it doesnt mean if the law changed he'd be getting free pot would it? no.

This topic isnt heading the wrong way at all; your steering it with stupidity.

Much appreciated, azz0r. It's good to know this thread wasn't a total waste, eh?

This is not meant to insult anyone here, but it's pretty shocking how many knee-jerk angry reactions one receives when they mention legalization. Goes to show how sensitive of a subject it really is for many people.

CheapAlert wrote: I REPEAT

CheapAlert wrote: pot can mess you up VERY bad, like this unfortunate pothead who completely blew his life.

ya, now he argues about it in a GAMING FORUM!
what a lifeless l00ser

As you can see, it is already too late - he has been messed up, now being a fascist about it.

CheapAlert wrote:

40ozFreak wrote: What the hell is 1337?

What are you smoking.

NavySEAL wrote: ya, now he argues about it in a GAMING FORUM!
what a lifeless l00ser

We discuss other things to, maybe you didnt notice

well, moddb does have games, but this is kinda weird topic
i mean raving stuff, federal level disputes
dont rave about it in a gaming forum, you wont get a load of jihhadders like you so
dont try

Wow. was that a discussion or a mugging I just read?

The guy wanted to start a debate. What is with the personal attacks?

Are you unable to argue effectively against his position?

NavySEAL wrote: well, moddb does have games, but this is kinda weird topic
i mean raving stuff, federal level disputes
dont rave about it in a gaming forum, you wont get a load of jihhadders like you so
dont try

Don't EVER presume to associate my name with the Jihad. What kind of obnoxious forum waste is this that I'm being forced to read?

NavySEAL wrote: ya, now he argues about it in a GAMING FORUM!
what a lifeless l00ser

You are an extremely ignorant person, and I'm done listening to you carry on with these personal stabs without adding any content to this thread whatsoever. Do you have anything of merit to say? Or are all of your 370-odd posts this type of useless and unnecessarily cruel garbage?

@ CheapAlert - I read the thread, and I must say that he's definitely in a hole. A hole that was not created by smoking joints but by him allowing his life to careen so far off course that he's lost the motivation or know-how to get it back on track. The marijuana didn't do that to him. I'm willing to bet that there are more serious, deeply rooted problems underneath the surface that we [or he himself] don't know about. The alcoholism is enough to contribute a great deal, as well as the depression of his girlfriend leaving him and his family problems also. He says he is in school becoming a techie, so maybe things will work out for him. He needs to gain self control before any changes can be made, and it's quite possible he has developed a personal dependency on pot [and definitely the alcohol], but the marijuana isn't the one source of all of his troubles.

This is a GREAT forum, let me tell you. I've really enjoyed the inviting attitude of some of the members here...no names of course *cough*NAVYseal*cough*. I give them two middle fingers up!

@ RichardStrong & azz0r - At least all hope is not lost, I've found two people of intelligence so far. Thanks for not being azzh0Les, fellas. *Hats off to you*.

Does anyone have something RELEVANT to add the original discussion?

- Edited By 40ozFreak On Thu 12th, Dec 2002 @ 3:29:47am

40ozFreak wrote: @ RichardStrong & azz0r - At least all hope is not lost, I've found two people of intelligence so far. Thanks for not being azzh0Les, fellas. *Hats off to you*.

Does anyone have something RELEVANT to add the original discussion?

- Edited By 40ozFreak On Thu 12th, Dec 2002 @ 3:29:47am

of intelegence? so you think saying pot is good and agreeing with you is intelect???
oh, and in your original post, you said 'obvious lung damage', well hey, people HAVE died from lung cancer, and thatsa good enough reason to make it illegal

oh, and 1337 is from a jap-anime cartoon i forget uits name
something like mega city
or....whatever

and fine, i admit it, i was being an asshole
and yes it was pretty nasty, but i had to say it, for reason unbenounced to man-kind

- Edited By NavySEAL On Sat 14th, Dec 2002 @ 1:08:49pm

NavySEAL wrote: of intelegence? so you think saying pot is good and agreeing with you is intelect???
oh, and in your original post, you said 'obvious lung damage', well hey, people HAVE died from lung cancer, and thatsa good enough reason to make it illegal

So, following your reasoning, do you think that everything that has health risks should be illegal, as well as everything that has cancer risks?

Well then they should outlaw red meat, eggs, butter, salt, caffeine, cigarettes, pepper, cellular phones, microwave appliances, foods with saturated fat, and sunlight.

But that isn't going to happen. The fact that it causes lung damage is not sufficient reason to outlaw marijuana. Cigarettes kill thousands per year because of lung and arterial damage. While the tobacco companies themselves are reluctant to admit the risks, everyone knows about them. Agreed, the same risks are present with marijuana although at a lesser rate of damage. But ANY substance that is smoked on this earth will have health risks, especially to the lungs. And anything that damages your body can have cancer risks...cancer can appear anywhere...unfortunately.

And a small note about the intellect comment...it seems more ignorant to automatically assume I'm not of intelligence BECAUSE I mentioned pot. That's a stereotype that has been embedded in your brain...and until the stereotypes about the topic aren't present, then no one will know the truth.

they are not good for your health i agree, but they are food, you consume them
you cannot consume marajuana, and that point about sunlight
too much is bad, too little is bad, but just the right amount, is vital

Right. I agree. But your answer conveniently brings me to the point I was trying to make, though I strayed for a minute...

All of those things are only bad for you in excess, including marijuana. Hell, anything in excess is bad for you...but they're usually uncommon cases. Just because an abundant usage of something is bad for you doesn't mean it's bad for you in increments. Do you agree?

When I say that marijuana should be legalized, I am not saying that the world should sit around smoking joints and eating Cheetos all day, because I myself won't even do that. There will ALWAYS be those who overdo things, go to extremes, and make life harder for at least one other person, but you can't foolproof the world from idiots because they will always be here.

Besides, all we Americans know that the idiots are the ones that end up running things, right? LoL.