Fahrenheit 9/11 Thread

If any of you don't know about the book, "Fahrenheit 451" by ray bradbury, I suggest you read it. It's a very disturbing tale about a dijointed utopia gone horribly wrong. the basis of the books ideas is the threat against human ideas known as censorship.

Michael Moore created his new movie "Farhrenheit 9/11" about the american people's bush adminstration. it is a very critical look at the way the administration handled situations from the election to 9/11/01 to the war in Iraq, and up to the present time.

Whereas the books tagline is "The temperature at which books burn," Michael Moore's movie has the tagline, "The temperature at which freedom burns." This is in regards to the patriot act, which took away many rights of people who were suspected terrorists. In america, this is pretty much anyone of middle eastern descent, and the patrot act agrees with it. Much more than that, it put some restrictions on the freedom of speech.

Ironicly, Michael Moore's documentary about the American president, might not be released. Buena Vista, the company which owns Miramax, has said that they will not release the movie, stating that is too controversial to release. this is what the topic is about. do companies have the right to bar the freedom of speech of it's employees? or like mr. moore, a person in which it has invested in? If that is the case then isn't the right to freedom of speech already being threatened. it makes sense to me, that the tagline of this movie proves to be so true.

He slants things in what ever direction he wants normaly to the negitive side, so I do not care.

They (the same company) released Kill Bill and wont release this movie.

That is bullshit corporate censorship.

STRATCOM wrote: He slants things in what ever direction he wants normaly to the negitive side, so I do not care.

you mean the side called the blunt and honest truth? truth which people don't wanna hear?

It is only partial truths. he edits out things in order to create the bigest shock by making things look worse then they are.

He is a filmmaker, not a politician. While he may be leaning it towards his perspective, he is still telling the truth. He makes a good point, and to completely ignore it or say that it has no validity is ignorant. He brings up a side to situations that is usually never heard. Sure he buffs it up so that it's entertaining, because he makes movies. They need to entertain to draw an audience, but he entertains while expresing his opinion, which I think is very cool.

STRATCOM wrote: It is only partial truths. he edits out things in order to create the bigest shock by making things look worse then they are.

As opposed to everyone else in the world, who tells the clear and honest truth all the time.

It'll be released, if delayed. He already sold rights to companies overseas, and all that is happening with Disney not wanting to publish it is just getting him more publicity.

He's a cool guy, he knows what he's talking about...

Yes Michael Moore movies ar very Black and White but dose that justefie not releasing the movie? More likely they just do not agre with Michael Moore. And he is not any worse then any pro Bush suportes anyway.

In the end i belive they will releas the movie just to make money.

40ozFreak wrote: He is a filmmaker, not a politician. While he may be leaning it towards his perspective, he is still telling the truth. He makes a good point, and to completely ignore it or say that it has no validity is ignorant. He brings up a side to situations that is usually never heard. Sure he buffs it up so that it's entertaining, because he makes movies. They need to entertain to draw an audience, but he entertains while expresing his opinion, which I think is very cool.

well said.

You always say everything that needs to be said before I do. you bastage.

also, apparently there is a clip in the movie from when he met bush. one of the first things bush said I heard was, "Control yourself, Why don't you get a real job."

The footage is supposed to be in the film. now, how can you edit that? lol.

- Edited By Obsydian On Sat 22nd, May 2004 @ 6:21:48pm

In the end i belive they will releas the movie just to make money.

Yeah, me too.

Michael Moore is a leftist windbag spin doctor, nothing else. His speech at last years Oscars were pitiful. "Shame on you Mr. Bush!" Oooooh.

I'm not a right batard either, so you really can't say that I'm against the truth.

I don't think that he plays things up in any way he just shows things for what they are without the clean up of footage or the i don't want to hurt anyones feelings type editing. Like how the army was ordered to try and keep reporters out of war zones in Iraq till the bodies were cleaned up. People need to start seeing things for what they are and if a lefitst anti bush film maker is the only one who will show it. Then better than a cleaned up everythings ok right view from conservatives.

I think USA need Michael Moore. Hate him or love him, he dare to say what many thinks.

HorrorOfTheHeights wrote:

In the end i belive they will releas the movie just to make money.

Yeah, me too.

Michael Moore is a leftist windbag spin doctor, nothing else. His speech at last years Oscars were pitiful. "Shame on you Mr. Bush!" Oooooh.

I'm not a right batard either, so you really can't say that I'm against the truth.

how is it pitful that the man has the courage to speak the truth in front of millions of people nationwide. BUSH NEVER WAS ELECTED? why do we continue to let him get away with these atrocities against other hman beings, if we never elected him to do so in the first place?

check out this video off of the cannes film festival site. they interviewed mr.moore and some of the things he said are pretty cool.

the video is here at the bottom of the page. enjoy.

how is it pitful that the man has the courage to speak the truth in front of millions of people nationwide.

And he got boo'd as a result Not because what he had to say was different, people can handle that, but because he sure picked a bad place to stand up on a soap box. The Oscars. That just screams opportunist.

I saw Michael Moore's 'Bowling for Columbine', the content of that film was contriversial and many people critised him because of it, but I feel that he was merely stating the truth in 'Bowling for Columbine' and it was just a truth that many people didn't not want to hear. I feel that however controversial this new film is, it will also only contain the truth. Michael Moore doesn't seem like the kinda guy that would twist peoples words and edit footage to his own advantage on a subject matter as sensitive as this. We need Michael Moore so that people don't believe everything they are told, there is always another side to the story.

HorrorOfTheHeights wrote:

how is it pitful that the man has the courage to speak the truth in front of millions of people nationwide.

And he got boo'd as a result Not because what he had to say was different, people can handle that, but because he sure picked a bad place to stand up on a soap box. The Oscars. That just screams opportunist.

I see him as less of an opportunist than anyone I know. The country was going to war at the time. Not a war which was needed by the way, but guess what? mr. Bush felt that the OPPORTUNITY was right. I mean, he'd just come off of the afghani war, the american flag was still being waved around, the country was still having "blanket terror alerts," people were scared. So he says hussein has WMD's, that he's hitler, blah blah blah. He does the same thing that Moore did, but I think in this case, the booing was alot less apparent.

So why weren't people booing bush as loud as they boo'ed Michael Moore at the oscars? surely it's not because he's an opportunist.

- Edited By Obsydian On Sun 23rd, May 2004 @ 2:37:17pm

Theonion.com

man the onion cracks me up.

So why weren't people booing bush as loud as they boo'ed Michael Moore at the oscars? surely it's not because he's an opportunist

I guess you didn't hear about that world wide anti-war rally against Bush and the administration.

- Edited By HorroroftheHeights On Mon 24th, May 2004 @ 3:40:37am

Read alot of his books
Seen alot of his movies

He was a polition so he has alot of background practice of getting his point across
I agree that alot of what he has to say is the truth but it can also be highly blown out of proportion or things be selected that only suit him.

Anotha documentary writer is making/made a film called "Michael Moore hates America" pritty sure thats it if not shall find exact name. In this the doco shows a side of america that moore tries to basically deny exists a happy flurishing america. When he tries to gain an interview with Michael he is denyed and finally goes to one of his conferences and stands up and asks him in person for 40minutes of his time. He is kicked out of the conference. Does this seem like the actions of a man that is 100% behind what he is saying and is willing to back it up? In some aspects Moore is almost as bad as Bush.

I am not denying that Moore has some valid points because he does BUT i once followed what he said and believed then did some talking and realzed there were sometimes more to the story.

Im not american im british so im not saying this from a bais view of america and im only 15 so this could all be a load of bs but hey thats my opinion. Hes a smart ex- polition who needs to be looked at with an open mind.

Hmmm. Most the people call this movie "Farenheit 7/11". This movie is a joke. Micheal Moore is a film director. Doesn't that explain why he edits the film to make it sound that BUSH IS STUPID. Got there are thousands of movies like Farenheit 9/11, but not of them made it to the industry because the people of the film industry thought it was stupid. But on the other hand the reason why Micheal Moore got his movie to the public is because he paid the industry to publish it. Micheal Moore is just a LiberalFanboy. Trying to do anything to destory freedom itself. By releasing such vulger and hateful films will make america go against the goverment and destroy it, will only just destroy FREEDOM itself. Damn rightwing asses. BTW, read the book 'The Right Wing Conspiracy'.

"destroy FREEDOM itself" hmmmmm....

Could you please elaborate?

Uh...Michael Moore trying to destroy freedom itself? That is probably the most misguided political comment I've heard in this topic. If anything is destroying freedom it's the damn PATRIOT act. He doesn't want anyone to destroy the government, he wants Bush out of office as do many Americans. He loves this country but he absolutely loathes president Bush.

He does show things on a need-to-know basis, leaving certain parts out for emotional effect, but he never flat out lies. In his films, if he were to show you the entire scene that he's cropped, it would still tell the same story only with more details. He does it for effect, but it is still fact. People always overlook that in favor of heavy criticism.

Michael Moore isn't right-wing. Bush and the Republicans are right-wing. Liberals are to the left. The book "The Right Wing Conspiracy" is about the Republicans and their misdeeds, which is on the same side of the fence as Michael Moore. I don't think you know about politics UberSoldat, you just sound like you're repeating what Bill O'Reilly said, but poorly.

- Edited By 40ozFreak On Sat 26th, Jun 2004 @ 2:08:59pm

Yes take bush out and put in a dumbass which will adopt some communist way. Boy aint that the freedom way.

If that did happen it would be the "democratic" way actually.

you said right, mr. moore is left. that just proves how misguided and misinformed you are. also, If you were at all educated you would understand how brilliant of an idea marx's theory of communism was. I hope it one day works, and this country passes this capatilistic individualism phase, and becomes a progressive socialist country on it's way to a true communistic society.

BTW, the communism which marx talks about is NOT the poor misinformed ideas of lenin and the soviet union, or the overt cruelty and isolationism of china, a country whose own traditions are slowly degrading and destroying it's own society.

Marx was never one to shout "Capatilist Pig!" Marx was a well educated man who understood that to get to true communism a highly industrial capatilistic society is needed in order to help the other societies after it, and in which the corporations greed incites revolts through the workers, begin the true unionization and help each other to live.

It's all very interesting.

I also agree with 40 here. you're very misinformed about politics, and sound just like o'reilly.

also, I SAW the movie and it was great. Moore does a fantastic job. of course, he didn't really DO anything, since the footage he has speaks for itself. this is the first time I have seen images of the war that I have been fighting against since it was first conceptualized. This is real footage, from soldiers cameras, and a crew of moore's own. they show a house raid, a street patrol, a couple of bombings, and the devastation that lies in it's wake. this is nothing you see on american mass media. you see troops who get sent home in caskets. you see soldiers saying what an idiot bush is, asking why they are there. you see the soliders I have never seen on TV. The ones who are the statistics. the "21 injured in an insurgent bombing today." The ones which nerve damage, the ones with no legs. the ones screaming in pain as their wounds are being worked on.

Then he shows the people. the beautiful iraqi PEOPLE. an old woman. praying and screaming to god. asking him why this happened. why was her house destroyed? why were these people allowed to do this? you see a man, screaming at a camera, asking what the dead 3 year old in his hands did to america to deserve having a bomb dropped on him.

innocents. dead. wounded. destroyed.

then the family of one of the first casualties of the war. the lipscomb and pedersen family. The family of Army Marine Sgt. Michael Pedersen, who was one of the first casualties of the war.

It's very moving.

also on a lighter note, it shows the most ignorant dumbfuck american ever. when pedersens mother visits the white house, she calls moore to let him know. as she stands in front of the white house, she sees another person camped out there. they have a conversation, and then the unbelievably stupid ignorant woman tells lipscomb something which you all have to hear with your own ears.

GO see this movie. It is a very good movie, regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

- Edited By Obsydian On Sat 26th, Jun 2004 @ 12:25:45pm