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65. Any Idea for the Berar or Kozhikode Flags?

66. I need to remove Nagpur from the map because it wasn't founded till 1702, are there any other cities or forts in the area I could add instead

*25. There's a lot of lagging when you start a ship battle, anyone know a fix without lowering movement range a lot?

64. Can the ground types and river crossings be added removed via scripting? I want to show some deforestation and river flooding





(ANSWERED already but if you have more input please share)

1.Any Mounted Habshi or African Mercenaries? or were they mostly infantry?

2.Did the Mewar/Marwar Rajput recruit many Baluchi or Pashtun mercenaries?

3.What about long axes/halberds used by non-europeans? were the Tabar or Parashu prevalent at all in the 16th century?

4.Were all indian/afghan shields round? I think I've just seen one image of a square shield being used

5.Should every faction have access to the chainmail wearing Talwarbaz unit or just Gujarat?

6.Should Arab/African/Afghan/South East Asian Muslim mercenaries be a lot more expensive or rare for non-Muslim factions to recruit or did they not mind too much who they fought for? Same with european mercs, should they be cheaper/more common to Hindu factions over Muslim factions?

7. I've found a single reference to Swiss archers being used by Albuquerque, not sure if it was referring to crossbows though. Were there any European Non-Crossbow Archers in India?

8.Right now on the campaign map the jagdalpur and raijpur regions are too large, I'd like to split both of them in half vertically, what 2 regions should I add? or forts?

9.Are charges too strong currently?

10.What were the main ethnic groups in Thatta/Sindh/Multan/Jaisalmer/Bikaner?

11.In the Portuguese Codex it shows nayars/sinhaleese as being almost black and the orrisans/badaga in south india/bengals/gujarats/etc as being almost white. Were the native darker skin races found primarily in the malabar and ceylon at the time with the rest of India being light skinned?

12. Were Jat or Purbiya used by Gujarat/Ahmednagar at all?

13. Should Koli Cavalry be added? I read a mention that Ahmednagar or Gujarat used them, should Malwa/Khandesh also have access to them? Anyone else?

14.Were Maratha cavalry used by Gujarat/Golconda/Bidar/Khandesh/Berar/or Malwa?

15. Do all deccani use habshi? what about Malwa or Khandesh?

16. Did Orrisa recruit many mercenaries?

17. Iv'e read about the Arrakan using a Ronin samurai bodyguard, I was going to include a heavier cavalry unit and a lighter spear infantry unit, were there any other Japanese or mercenaries outside of Ayutthaya Kingdom and Arrakan?

18. What about Chinese mercenaries?

19. I need help finding ruler pictures for the following rulers in 1519, Arrakan, Orrisa, Garha, Marwar, Bengali, Berar, Ahmednagar, Gujarat, Malwa, or suitable alternatives

21. When should generic indian units end on the map? should gujarat and mewar get access to all of them? should marwar have generic Indian cavalry and swordsmen?

22.I need to make generic levy and light cavalry/infantry units for the pakistan area (gujarat-sindh-punjab) so I don't have to make them for each individual group (Khokar/Gokhar/Sindh/Jat etc) -What should I call them?

23. Range difference for indian longbow vs turkish style (recurve composite) bows used by infantry vs turkish style bow used by cavalry? Also reload speed differences for each? Also were any horse archers using indian style bows?

*24. Any Music suggestions

***26. I played a game as the Mughals and a few turns in Babur was killed when a settlement he was occupying rebelled, Is there anyway to prevent rebellions from killing named characters?

20. Did Thazata and Minkhaung of Mrauk-U really not have any children? They both lived to be in their 50's, but since Minkhaung was killed by Min-Bin I wondered if records of his children were destroyed so Min-Bin didn't look like a savage for killing his kids, but I guess for now I'll give both of them the infertile trait

30. Who all recruited Ahir? Any record of Gujarat/Malwa or the Deccani sultans recruiting them?

31. Any way to make elephants able to attack small gates like they did in RTW? I've tried changing their tag to artillery since that would also make them move slower than cavalry on the campaign map, but it's causing a crash, I guess because artillery isn't supposed to have 'mounts'

32. Are there any 'extra' units, that are non-historical or repetitive, I should get rid of to make the rosters simpler? And are there any groups-tribes/castes/unit types that played a large role as soldiers that I'm missing?

33. Does the map seem incomplete by not including any important factions? There is a gap in eastern india that could be filled by Haihaiyavansi or a Gond kingdom/Shri lanka also doesnt have any native factions.


*34. What would the Kingdom of Mrauk U be called in their native language? Rakhaingpyi? Mrohaung?

38. The main mod 1519 still needs quite a bit of work with custom models/balancing of units/historical names and family trees/supply system scripting/historical events/map terrain/settlement development. What do you think should be the first things to work on?

37. I'm making a small submod starting around 1500AD, the map will cover the western half of india all the way to the red sea. Any ideas for a basic roster for Kingdom or Ormus/Tahirids/Imamate of Oman?

40. Right now the only javelin users I have are light infantry and light cavalry, should any medium or heavy armor users have javelins? Should all javelin users be primarily skirmishers or should some just have one javelin that they throw while charging

27. What were Akbar's 15 grade of musketeers? I haven't been able to find names, assuming at the bottom we have the lowest grade musketmen and the highest would be the Shah-Ala Regiment, which others should be included?

28. Did the Maratha employ Habshi slaves or African Mercenaries?

29. How should the Berar roster compare to their deccani nieghbors? should it just be like the golconda roster but with more gond units?

31. When you have a moment please have a look at the rosters for the Mughals in the 1725 article and the 1519 article and tell me what you think, for a lot units I'm unsure if they should be included in both mods-I've marked them with ?'s

35. Would the Tranvacore army differ any from the Zamourin's?

36. Some factions will have two or more 'sets' of names, for Hindu/Muslim/European Officers in the same faction, is there a way so the names stay matched up? I dont want new characters to have european first names and muslim last names

39. Please post any good quotes you come across from any of the time periods, (400-100 BC) (1500-1850), or anything from ancient Indian texts

41. I've seen paintings of soldiers at a Mughal parade and a Mysore surrender with pikes and I've read references to Afghan pikemen in the 1700s, but I've also read that a lot of the pikes seen in paintings were ornamental. Should i include any noneuropean pikemen, with phalanx removed of course?

42. On Africans, the Portuguese mostly imported Bantu? so they get a forest bonus, while the Ethiopian Traders get a desert bonus. However I've read conflicting things on Habshi, either that most of them are from Ethiopia or that the Ethiopian traders mostly imported Bantu peoples to be used as Habshi, do you know which was more common?

43. I've read that Mysore imported quite a bit of camels, so should camels be available for importing at any large port?

44. For some reason the mine building is buildable in all regions even without mineable resources, how to fix? FIXED

45. What kind of cavalry units should the Garha Kingdom have?

46. Recruitment is messed up, the building text file is correct but I just checked the campaign, many units are not available for Delhi, Vijayanagara has many non-local units even though those units have hidden resource requirements in the building text, Malwa looks fine, I haven't checked any other factions or had this error before. Any ideas for a fix? {FIXED by deleting map.rwm file}

47. What regions wouldn't have any elephants available at all? I know they were more common in Eastern India but I've also seen a painting of an elephant hunt in Bikaner

61. Need to make unit's more unique, would any of these groups have an affinity for any color(s)?
Afghans/Ahir/Arab/Arrakan/Baluchi/Berad/Burmese/Elite Indian Units/Gujjars/Habshi/Hindu/Jat/Koli/Konkans/Muslims/Orrisan/Persian/Rumeli Turks/Santhal/Sindh/Tartar Turks/Teluga

60. Any Idea for Starting Dates for Berad Musketmen/Mappila Musketmen/Purbiya Musketmen/and Generic Indian Musketmen and Generic Afghan Musketmen for nonMughal factions?

59. iirc I read somewhere that the Kshatriya caste was absent in Assam, less common early medieval Orissa, and in Kerela the Nairs took their place, is there anywhere else in India where there would be no Kshatriya?

58. wikipedia says the Bhimthadi horse breed was mostly developed in the 1600-1700s, if that's true then what will Maratha cavalry ride?

57. Should Sadhu warriors be available in small amounts to any large temple or should they be restricted to certain areas

55. Were the 'Turkish' Mercenaries in the Delhi, Bengali, Deccan Sultnates, and Vijayanagara primarily Tartar Turks or Rumeli Turks or a mix?

51. Where should chainmail and felt horse armour be uncommon or not used at all due to the heat?

53. I need more generic character names for each factions agents/females, if you have any suggestions for common historical names please share, =At the moment the factions that are particularly lacking are Arghun, Garha Gonds, and Kozhikode

52. When should Cannon towers and rajput musketmen become available to mewar/marwar?

50. Chainmail wearing Afghan infantry should be rare as most soldiers that could afford metal armour would ride horses, right?

54. The largest areas of work left I believe are 1. Unit Stat and Cost Balancing 2. Importing Models/Textures from other mods and modifying some 3. Scripting, so I would like to get started on each of them and finish them quickly, I'll post more to the scripting/unit balance articles so please share any info you have. My computer is limited on harddrive space so do either of you have any experience or interest in helping import models from other mods? after we've gotten permission of course

-48. Does the terrain around the Sahyadris look mostly okay or does it need a lot work?

49. I've read that at the battle of Talikota their were mercenaries with steel crossbows on the Deccani Sultanate's side, were would they have originated?

63. A few large cities did not have walls, anyone know how to handle that without making a seperate building chain for walless cities?

62. Were Afghan Mercenaries in Bengal/Arrakan very common before the fall of the Delhi Sultanate?

56. How common and where were Free Abyssinian Mercenaries vs Slave Habshi, I've read Arrakan and Gujarat both had some free African mercenaries, any other places? (I wanted to limit them in factions that used a lot of habshi to keep down the already bloated rosters.) Also should there be Free Abyssinian Swords/Spears/Cav or were they mostly missile troops?

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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

KingKorgoth
huzurat
24)Music suggestions
There are some good bgms and instrumentals from bolly movies

1)Vangelis conquest of paradise Youtu.be spent my whole life searching for it XD ...basically works for any historical setting

3)Age of Empires III Indian theme in Asian dyansties expansion
The already awesome aoe theme gets a desi touch and the veena playing makes u fall in love with it

4)already existing middle eastern music in vanilla medieval 2

5)Aoe III main themes Youtu.be
U may not like it for this setting but it's worth a try

6)Attila total war Hun theme
Youtu.be again a great theme music....makes u feel like raiding the world

7)Prince of Persia Two thrones
Nostalgia and childhood hit hard as u listen to these vocals
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8)pop warrior within album has a lot of good vocals
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9)A hero's theme by MK 2 Youtu.be

10)Ready for war instrumental by 50 Cent - works for any setting...listen to this and u may want to mount a horse and conquer the world even now

11)traditional Indian music

12)relaxing medieval music

13)https://youtu.be/S9MiHUpqkmY

14)this james bond tune has a middle eastern touch

15)https://youtu.be/9xSS5rAO2RE

16)Kingdom of heaven movie album
All tracks are usable
Youtube.com

17) all original Rome total war tracks...none of them feel out of place
Youtube.com

This particular track brings back memories

18)empire total war album- all soundtracks from "hamla" to the end
Youtube.com

We should use the instrumentals and avoid songs


I'll see if I can come up with some more traditional music...all of u may not like my choices though so pardom me if u feel my tastes suck XD

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Thanks! These are all great suggestions!

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huzurat
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KrishnaCN
KingKorgoth

Guys, bollywood is infamous for copyright issues. Not even for free mods, trust me, India's laws are very archaic (saying this as a professional practicing lawyer) and bollywood execs are ruthless and at times too obtuse to differentiate between this and other commercial use.

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KrishnaCN
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huzurat
Yeah that's true....I agree
But I didn't think someone would have problem with a non-profit fanmade work....i didn't know it was this bad...but since it's coming from u we need to be careful..
Maybe we should avoid hindi songs

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huzurat Ah thanks for the warning, i'll be careful about the bollywood music.
Didn't know you were a lawyer! That's awesome. My sister actually just finished law school recently

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huzurat
huzurat

Thanks, it's an acceptable day job :)

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KrishnaCN
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Some more music clips..KingKorgoth..huzurat....just listen to these clips..extremely addictive

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huzurat
huzurat

They are good, but a bit modern, no?

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Not all of them should be used ....besides these will be only suitable for battle maps

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huzurat
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How are these for battle? Much like your empire tw.

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23. Range difference for indian longbow vs turkish style (recurve composite) bows used by infantry vs turkish style bow used by cavalry? Also reload speed differences for each? Also were any horse archers using indian style bows?

Quite a lot, save for Bhils and other specialized units, most Indian archers were no match against the Turkic bow. Indian horse archers always used Turkic bows, Mughal designs show a lacquer that was attached on both the ends of the bow to prevent its layers from coming off in the humidity. This helped a great deal, though was not a full solution.

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huzurat Since the rain missile penalty for projectiles can't be edited, it can only be on or off, I was thinking about giving turkish bows and muskets a rain penalty and then turning it off for indian longbows and I guess crossbows and improved mughal bows as well. What do you think?

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Rain penalty would apply even to the best protected bows. After all even the lacquer can't vouch for the string and the bend. Muskets would definitely suffer from rain. After all the battle of Plassey was won thanks not just due to Mir Jaffar's betrayal but vitally also because rains made the Nawab's artillery obsolete, while Robert Clive, who was in defensive position in grove, was able to keep his powder dry.

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KrishnaCN

Music from from EU IV

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huzurat Perfect!

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KrishnaCN
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huzurat

Thanks for posting eu4 music ...I had forgotten about that track

Also check out farcry 4 tracks...thy can be used

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KingKorgoth
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lionheartofengland

All of the ones below are according to me only concerned with campaign map music

Listen to these medieval tunes

civ6 Indian music


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Civ 6 ottoman themes album can also be used

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Civ 6 Persian theme album

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Civ 6 Arabian theme album

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Guys I dunno if u have heard the civ 5 music but it's Indian music is very melodious...click the link below to the civ 5 music album...and play the music clips with Taj mahal as their thumbnail...listen to the melody

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28. Did the Maratha employ Habshi slaves or African Mercenaries?

Yes, but not as slaves. One of Shivaji's bodyguard was Siddi Hilal who was Habshi. After Shivaji, the Marathas still had some Siddis fighting for them as allies rather than employees or vassals. Rustam Zaman of Bijapur often helped the Marathas in their struggle against the Mughals.

From the Peshwa period, Pathans became the most common mercenaries in Maratha armies. Post 1761 (After the 3rd battle of Panipat), Arabs, Pathans, Purabyas, Telangas and Half European Soldiers and French Officers actually outnumbered the real Marathas.

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Thanks!

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KingKorgoth

Small correction; it is not Marathan, but simply Maratha or Marathas (in plural).

Example: 1. He is a Maratha, or they are Marathas.
2. Maratha Shiledari Sowar, Maratha Huzurat Sowar

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huzurat Ah! thanks, meant to fix all those by now

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29. How should the Berar roster compare to their deccani nieghbors? should it just be like the golconda roster but with more gond units?

Yes, it should have a Gond tribal element in its military. Historically, Berar based regimes seemed to rely more on Maratha Bargirs, Pindaris and Gond infantry. Berar had several rain shadow areas, as well as deep forests towards the eastern side, making for a very diverse roster. Imad Shahis also had some foreign mercenaries, but after the 1530's with the complete eclipse of even nominal Bahamani rule, the number of these mercenaries reduced drastically.

30. Who all recruited Ahir?
Many Mughals, Rajputs and even Marathas (never successfully). They often came under Sibandi (Mercenaries) and Qasbati (Local Militia) troops. Apart from the several Ahir military chiefs who were granted 'Saranjams' (Military fief) to maintain their Ahir contingents.

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Thanks!

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KingKorgoth

As far as north India is concerned ,everything is fine...we may need small minor changes and additional settlements here and there (which ofcourse will be a part of the finishing touch)

Regarding question 8,give me some 3-4 days time,I'll go through the existing south Indian provinces in ur latest release and I'll cover the gondwana area as a part/subset of research on Deccan and south India(sadly I actually did research Deccan and some southern parts but back then u weren't actually focussing on settlements and now I've forgotten,so I'll kick-start it again).....

Also avoid settlements with twin names like "bhatkal and honnavar"....doesn't
Make sense

When will u be releasing the next version??,would u want to include the new aspects of my research in ur next release or would you rather wait it out and use the new info in the next to next version??

I did not understand ur question no.36
Can u elaborate on what u are exactly talking about ...perhaps with an example

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8. Thanks!

I agree it doesn't look the best but the reason I've done the twin naming is because the of the region limit of 199, there's way more than 199 important settlements in India in this time period and I'd like them to all be represented, I'll try to limit it's usage though and reserve it for forts/towns that are very close together

It will be a week or two before I release another version at least so I would like to include your research in the next release

36. Take the mughals for examples, they will have muslim and hindu generals but I don't want turkish muslim first names mixing with hindu indian surnames and vice versa

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KingKorgoth
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Question 32
Martial Castes
1)Halepaika(Namdhari Naiks/Deeviga)

Literally means old/senior warriors...perhaps an indicative of their experience in warfare

Deeviga means torch bearer...indicating some form of warfare associated with night also

Why dont u consider adding a "Halepaika"regiment for Vijayanagara,Mysore and Keladi factions.....

Legend has it that Vijayanagara emperor gave the village of "Halepaika" as a grant to a minor lord...his descendants are called Halepaikas

the Halepaika is a martial warrior caste that served Kannada/south Indian empires for centuries often as small landlords and minor generals...I myself come from this caste and a remote ancestor of mine was a general of Tipu Sultan himself....the Halepaika would be very well depicted as a Spearmen regiment...paika suffix itself suggests footmen

Since my own ancestor and many from our caste were generals and landholders themselves it would be safe to say they rode horses and commanded cavalry contingents as well...infact grooms from our caste in history rode on horses to their marriage...it was only in the remote past after our ancestors gave up war and shifted to agriculture that our community members lost the social status and were considered lower castes...their custom of riding the horses was also taken away from them

So we can have decent lightly armored cavalrymen...but nothing special about these guys tho....obviously they don't stand a chance against other elite Cavalries like the ones mughals and others have...thy just make up one of the many large contingents of the humongous Vijayanagara army that's it..

Even to this day on the walls of the Mysore palace is a painting of the famed "Halepaika regiment" which routed Bijapur sultan's forces in some particular battle

Halepaika caste is found in modern day
Karwar, Ankola, Kumta, Honnavar, Bhatkal, Sirsi, Siddapur, Yellapur, Mundgod, Haliyal, Joida, Dandeli....I myself hail from Ankola which is also famous for the Ankola fort...Ankola fort is also called Mirjan fort(so my future research will involve these also)

The Halepaika would be available also as a mercenary....yes our ancestors and people of our caste were adventurous and were cheap arms for hire as well...we could give them good stamina,good charge(they've been described as jumping into action and routing Bijapur sultanate forces in historic sources),melee and decent defence stats but lightly armored

2)Komarpaikas(Komarpanth Naiks)

Literally means young warriors

The Komarpanth (or Komarpant naik or Comorpaica) are a social group centred in and around Goa

komarpants, primarily speak their own language, known as Halegannada (Old Kannada).

The Komarpanths are originally from the Keladi Nayaka Kingdom of the Vijayanagar Empire and are the followers of Shri Shringeri Mata” founded by Jagadguru Shri Shankaracharya at Shringeri.

The Rulers of Keladi had extended their kingdom up to Goa State and the Keladi Nayaka Kingdom was under the control of the Vijayanagara Kingdom.

Komarpanths are also referred to as those from the “Payaka” family which means that they are from the “superior leader” or the troop leaders. They were known for horsemanship, archery and soldiering. They have fought several times with the Sultans of Mysore and also against the British rule in India

Komarpanth Veera Henje Naik, born in 1736, fought against the British and the Sulthans of Mysore. With the help of the Bhandaris of Kodibag on the banks of the Kali River at Karwar, and fellow Komarpanths, Veera Henje Naik had been controlling the Five Islands that covered the entrance to Karwar from the sea route. But as the British outnumbered him with their army summoned from Madras, his team was ambushed by the British at Kodibag, and Veera Henje Naik was shot by the British in the year 1801. His samadhi (tomb) still remains in Kodibag.

During the period from 1736–1801, Komarpanth Veera Henje Naik ruled the province of Goa and some parts of Karwar and Uttara Kannada District and he was determined to fight against the British and the Sulthans of Mysore. Owing to his charismatic leadership, he was conferred upon with the title Chak Mak Jenga in 1794 AD.

The monuments installed by the Komarpanths still remain in the islands of Anju Div Island, Kurumgad Islands, Guddehalli and Belur, Shirave hills.

Komarpanths have settled in villages spread across Goa State, and in Karnataka in Uttara Kannada district Karwar, Sirsi, Dandeli, Ankola, Joida, Yellapur, Haliyal and even up to Kumta Taluk.

So we can have cheap decent infantry and archers and below average light cavalrymen

continued below...

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Continued from above.....

3)Nadavaru

Nadavaru were soldiers during the rule of Vijayanagara, Keladi Nayakas and Bidanur kings. They fought as cavalrymen and infantrymen. They were very prominent in the army of queen Chennabhairadevi of Gerusoppa. They were part of the feudal setup. They traditionally kept peace in the regions also. The Portuguese who originally came as traders to India found looting of ports a cheaper way of obtaining goods and browbeating port traders into trading only with them. In the early eighteenth century, Portuguese fleets repeatedly attacked and damaged various coastal towns of Basrur, Barkur, Honnavara, Kumta, Gokharn Mirjan and Torke near Kumta. The fleets caused extensive damage to the properties and looted. The Gokarna Mahabaleswara temple was also said to have been damaged. To resist the Portuguese soldier clans of Nadavaru were made to settle around Gokarna and all riverine entry points like, Gangavali, Mirjan, Chandavar, Baad etc. They were agrarian people who prospered from hardwork and later education.

So we can have infantrymen and cavalrymen

all these 3 castes are spread in the same area of Uttara Kannada and their distribution is dense especially in my hometowns of Ankola and Kumta...I've seen and met these people on a personal level(with myself coming from one of the above said castes)

Also note how even though I say these martial castes don't match up to the north Indian military quality,the above 3 served the vassal states of Vijayanagara empire which were the Keladi,Mysore etc etc...but Keladi and Mysore were the most powerful military allies(if I'm correct??...correct me if I'm wrong)of the vijayanagara empire and were vital to its army which suggests that though not elite,these warriors were definitely no slouches...they were atleast hardy warriors

Hope I helped....I'll try to answer more questions

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Excellent post.

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KrishnaCN Great research! I'll add these

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36. Some factions will have two or more 'sets' of names, for Hindu/Muslim/European Officers in the same faction, is there a way so the names stay matched up? I dont want new characters to have european first names and muslim last names

Hmm...I can imagine this being very tricky, considering different ethnic and religious generals in the armies. One way that this could be reconciled with would be to use a script like the Crusader Expansion does, essentially assigning custom generals. For example the Rajput main cities (in case under Mughal control) could have a script to keep creating (and deleting) the important generals like Bharmal, Bhagwan Das, Man Singh, Maldeo Rathore etc. This will be very tedious, no doubt about it. For Europeans Generals, this script would be easier considering their lower numbers.


***26. I played a game as the Mughals and a few turns in Babur was killed when a settlement he was occupying rebelled, Is there anyway to prevent rebellions from killing named characters?

Try giving giving Babur extra traits to give him public order bonus and fear effects, also make him a better commander with higher hitpoints (you can hide this). Apart from this, you can 'freeze' rebel armies around Babur's position (around Kabul) for the first 5-10 turns, giving the Ai Mughals enough time to build up their forces.

27. What were Akbar's 15 grade of musketeers? I haven't been able to find names, assuming at the bottom we have the lowest grade musketmen and the highest would be the Shah-Ala Regiment, which others should be included?

A rough scaling for game purpose would be as such:

The lowest Musketeers were called Ahsam Banduqchi, the next in line would be the Dakhili Banduqchi, after this would be your Purabhya Banduqchi, Arab Banduqchi and Rumi Banduqchi, Ahadi Banduqchi (Elite Musketeers, though inferior in rank to their Cavalry counterparts), above these would be the Shah Ala Banduqchi and the Firgangi Banduqchi (European Musketeers).

32. Are there any 'extra' units, that are non-historical or repetitive, I should get rid of to make the rosters simpler? And are there any groups-tribes/castes/unit types that played a large role as soldiers that I'm missing?

No 'Heavy Cavalry' for early Mughals (save for mercenaries).

Reduce Rajput Heavy Cavalry roster to only clan based and settlement based, no sense in being able to recruit Hada Raputs if Mewar doesn't have Kota and Bundi.

Get rid of Maratha Bargirs, there were only Shildedars in the Sultanate era, was my mistake to suggest Bargirs. Bargirs under the Maratha Empire in 17th and 18th century who were generally better than the Shiledars, owing to their horses being provided by the state (no fear of any personal loss of horse).

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yes...i can understand babur getting fear and public order bonuses...infact it would be very accurate to give him Huge "dread" bonuses....Babur used his ruthless reputation as a psychological weapon to intimidate his enemies...he was definitely a complex personality with many shades

the man was a shrewd general....when friendly and happy,he could be generous and often enjoyed a good drink with his mates...but when angry,he could prove equally cruel and savage at times...surprisingly his memoirs reveal his emotional and sentimental sides....much of his artistic and sensitive sides are also present in the Baburnama like his love for his native land of samarkand and ferghana...while in india he is said to have burst out in tears upon eating a particular fruit that reminded him of his native...he particularly despised indian weather and climate and kept ranting about how he longed for his native..

if u were his friend or vassal irrespective of your religion,he would'nt mind recruiting or employing you....he would honor you....Babur's core fighting force which numbered around 10,000-12,000 initially swelled to anywhere between 20,000-30,000 enroute to delhi.....this was because of the addition of indian allies and the defection of many nobles from delhi.....but if u were his nemesis,only god could save you....he used all the heretic terms in islamic literature to designate and denounce you as "Kafir"....you and your supporters would be massacred en'masse and towers of skulls would be erected to deter the next errant.....he did not hesitate in using Jihad as a political tool whether against muslims or non-muslims which is evident in how he called Pashtuns of pashtunistan(who are ironically muslims) as Kafirs....the pashtuns are a hardy military tribe...throughout history,these hardy tribesmen evaded complete submission to any conqueror be it Timur or Alexander the great himself..the pashtuns challenged Babur's authority in the area and constantly threatened him

at the battle of Bajaur 1519,Babur's forces forcibly took the Gabarkot fort and massacred the entire garrison and many pashtuns.....he boastfully writes of this in his memoirs and religiously justifies this massacre....but very soon he concluded peace with the tribesmen on his terms and even took a pashtun woman as his wife....similarly at Khanwa,he denounced the 10,000 lodi afghans who joined Maharana sanga's side as "kafirs" and inspired his men to take up their slaughter as religious duty....but in another stark contrast,after victory at panipat he sent detachments to take agra and the eastern provinces and during this invading spree he allowed peaceful passage to the rajput garrison at agra on conditions of surrendering the fort...indeed a very complex character...i dare say more complicated than aurangzeb himself

funnily enough,he himself seems to indicate to the reader of his memoirs that "it was a clever idea and it worked well" which evidently shows and proves that propaganda was a huge part of any king's life irrespective of his ethnicity or religion

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Pragmatism, his experiences in Central Asia taught him that.

In his youth, against Shaybani Khan Uzbek, despite being outnumbered, he sallied from the city (Samarkand) on the advice of an astrologer, instead of waiting for his reinforcements some 2 days away.
In the battle, Shaybani Khan let the callow youngster advance unopposed into the open field, across a river. Then with Babur's retreat being impeded by the river and open field on the front and wings, Shaybani Khan used his superior numbers to easily use his Tulughma (envelopment) on Babur's smaller force. Babur tried to reinforce his wings, leading to his Van Guard and Center weakening. His weakened Center was destroyed, Wings were flanked and defeated, while almost all officers in Van Guard were killed. When Babur looked to withdraw, the river blocked his retreat, his entire army was cut down, including his senior officers and trusted counselors.
This defeat would end Babur's hopes for Samarkand forever, but would also teach him the value of pragmatism. Later he tried again with Shia Safavid aid, but being reduced to subordination and later alienated by his own Sunni Kinsmen, this failure would also teach him the value of religious expediency and occasional propaganda.

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huzurat Awesome! thanks, I'll finish making these changes

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38. The main mod 1519 still needs quite a bit of work with custom models/balancing of units/historical names and family trees/supply system scripting/historical events/map terrain/settlement development. What do you think should be the first things to work on?

Custom Models, once the battle part of the mod becomes accessible for people, more interest will be generated. Then we can work on the campaign aspect. As far a supply and other scripts are concerned, once you develop full factions on the campaign map, only then can we properly test out the scripts.


39. Please post any good quotes you come across from any of the time periods, (400-100 BC) (1500-1850), or anything from ancient Indian texts

He who does reverence to his own sect, while disparaging the sects of others with intent to enhance the glory of his own sect, by such conduct inflicts the severest injury on his own sect.
- Ashoka Maurya, Emperor of India, 3rd Century BCE

Every neighbouring state is an enemy and the enemy’s enemy is a friend.
- Kautilya, The Arthashastra


Wait not while your foe fits arrow to bowstring when you can send your own arrow into him.
- Babur

A monarch should be ever intent on conquest, lest his neighbours rise in arms against him.
- Akbar, Mughal Emperor of North India

Most worshippers of God are intent on the advancement of their own destiny, not on His worship. In India, no one has ever claimed to be a prophet. The reason is that claims to divinity are customary.
-Akbar, Mughal Emperor of North India

One day's life of a lion is preferable to hundred years of a jackal.
Tipu Sultan


No need to make mistakes and learn from them, life is too short, learn from others' mistakes beforehand.
- Shivaji, Maratha ruler, 17th Century

But In your Majesty's reign, many of the forts and provinces have gone out of your possession, and the rest will soon do so too because there will be no slackness on my part in ruining and devastating them.
- Shivaji, Letter to Emperor Aurangzeb, 1679


A man should marry four wives: A Persian to have some one to talk to; a Khurasani woman for his housework; a Hindu for nursing his children; a woman from Mawaraun nahr, or Transoxiana, to have some one to whip as a warning to the other three.
- Abu'l-Fazl ibn Mubarak, Mughal Chronicler

No age is wanting in able men; it is the duty of wise masters to find them out.
- Aurangzeb


When a minister, a physician and a religious preceptor; these three use pleasing words from fear or hope of reward, the result is that dominion, health, and faith, all the three immediately set towards destruction.
- Tulsidas, Ramayana

O Krishnaraya, you Man-Lion. You destroyed the Turks from far away with just your great name's power. Oh Lord of the elephant king, just from seeing you the multitude of elephants ran away in horror
- Manku Timma, 16th Century Vijayanagar Poet

Every one is aware of polity but few know its practical application
- Kalhana, Author of Ratnagiri, 8th Century

A person who can, within a year, solve x2 - 92y2 = 1 is a mathematician.
- Brahmagupta, 7th Century Indian Mathematician

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Classic quotes ....superb
Here are some spiritual quotes by saint shishunala sharif from Karnataka

When the mind gets very involved in the world and becomes agitated, hit it with the hatchet and stop it.

The Word of knowledge given by the Master annihilates the mind, and makes all difficulties vanish.

As one would take good care of a horse, take care of the mind by feeding it with spiritual food. At times, whip it like a horse, so that it behaves in a manner pleasing to the Master.

This house (the body) moves around so much, yet through proper discipline, in this very house one can experience Shiva.

Jiva, like a bird in a cage, has freedom only within the cage of body and mind. But, by the Grace of the Master, the bird is able to spread its wings to fly through the entire universe.

The Holy Feet of his Master may look small and ordinary; however, they swallow up the huge ego when the head is placed at them.

I am not the human birth, but verily the Narayana Parabramha Sadashiva. (Na Na Embudu Nanalla)

He was the son of an Imam Saheb, who was a disciple of Hajaresha Qadri, whose dream it was to unite Hinduism and Islam. Hajaresha Qadri used to give “Linga Deeksha”, or initiation by tying a linga around the neck of a disciple, as per the Hindu Lingayat tradition. His father used to teach him Ramayana, Mahabharata, and even the teachings of Allama Prabhu. Legend has it that Shishunala Sharifa was conceived with the blessings of Basavanna.

Even when Shishunala was a boy, He was taught the tenets of both religions. In his birthplace Shishuvinahala, even today, both Hindus and Muslims revere him as a saint at the same temple.

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huzurat Thanks for the quotes! I just today messaged the mod leader of Broken Crescent, hopefully they don't mind us using some of their models, but I'll work on importing appropriate models for the units, generals, buildings on the battle maps.

I'm not sure what colors to use for some of the factions though, I'll update the 'unit appearance' page with flags and colors so we can decide

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That's great news! If you can get their models, a custom battle and multiplayer build can be released, and with the new unit models and balance, I'm pretty sure this mod and your efforts will get the hype that they truly deserve. Great going. Please update us on the Broken Crescent team's response.

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39)Quotes
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The compassionate heart of his majesty finds no pleasure in cruelties or in causing sorrow to others; he is ever sparing of the lives of his subjects, wishing to bestow happiness upon all.
-Abul Fazl on emperor Akbar,Ain-i-Akbari

He was uniformly kind and considerate to his dependents, devotedly attached to his son Akbar, to his friends, and to his turbulent brothers. The misfortunes of his reign arose in great, from his failure to treat them with rigor
-Edward S Holden,on Emperor Humayun

The very defects of his character, which render him less admirable as a successful ruler of nations, make us more fond of him as a man.
-Edward S Holden,on Emperor Humayun

His renown has suffered in that his reign came between the brilliant conquests of Babur and the beneficent statesmanship of Akbar; but he was not unworthy to be the son of the one and the father of the other.
-Edward S Holden,on Emperor Humayun

His name meant the winner (Lucky/Conqueror), there is no kind in the history to be named as wrong as Humayun
-Stanley Poole,on Emperor Humayun

He was of a forgiving nature,He was in fact unfortunate ... Scarcely had he enjoyed his throne for six months in Delhi when he slipped down from the polished steps of his palace and died in his forty-ninth year.
-Stanley Poole,on Emperor Humayun

If there was a possibility of falling, Humayun was not the man to miss it. He tumbled through his life and tumbled out of it.
-Stanley Poole,on Emperor Humayun

Rana Pratap's defiance of the mighty Mughal empire, almost alone and unaided by the other Rajput states, constitute a glorious saga of Rajput valour and the spirit of self sacrifice for cherished principles.
-Historian Satish Chandra,on Maharana Pratap

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field.I'll meet you there.When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about.
-Sufi Mystic Jalal-ad-din Rumi

Lovers don't finally meet somewhere.They're in each other all along.
-Sufi Mystic Jalal-ad-din Rumi

Be melting snow.Wash yourself of yourself.
-Sufi Mystic Jalal-ad-din Rumi

The extent of the kingdom is the means for the acquisition of wealth.Therefore even if the land is limited in extent, excavate tanks and canals and increase the prosperity of the poor by leasing him the land for low ari and koru, so that you may obtain wealth as well as religious merit.
-Emperor Krishnadevaraya

The city of Vijayanagar is such that the pupil of the eye has never seen a place like it,and the ear of intelligence has never been informed that there existed anything to equal it in the world
-Abdur Razzak,on visiting Vijayanagara

This is the best provided city in the world. The people in the city are countless in number, so much so that I do not wish to write it down for fear it should be thought fabulous. What I saw seemed as large as Rome and very beautiful to the sight; there are many groves of trees within it, many orchards and gardens of fruit trees and many conduits of water which flow in the midst of it, and in places there are lakes
-Domingo Paes,on Vijayanagara city

Both were weak men... in their wrong places as rulers...and had Jahangir been head of a Natural History Museum,...he would have been a better and happier man.
-Orientalist Henry Beveridge,compares jahangir to Claudius

In such short that what this man's father, called Ecber Padasha [Padshah Akbar], got of the Deccans, this king, Selim Sha [Jahangir] beginneth to lose.
-Sir William Hawkins,on Emperor Jahangir

It is a truth tested by experience that sons dissipate what their fathers gained in the sweat of their brow
-Niccolao Manucci,on Emperor Jahangir

For he envies [the Prophet] Mohammed, and wisely sees no reason why he should not be as great a prophet as he and therefore professed himself so... he hath found many disciples that flatter or follow him
-Sir Thomas Roe,on emperor jahangir's religious policy

The emperor is either the most impossible man in the world to be converted, or the most easy; for he loves to hear, and hath so little religion yet, that he can well abide to have any derided
-Sir Thomas Roe,on Emperor jahangir's religious obscurity

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The ethos of pluralism and tolerance pioneered by the Muslim ruler in a Hindu-majority India underline the values of the modern republic of India
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

The third Mughal ruler of India presided over a flourishing of the arts, sponsoring artisans, poets, engineers and philosophers at a time when Europe was still in its pre-Renaissance stage.
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

If ever a leader merited a tautology, it was the Mughal Emperor Akbar the Great. Under Akbar, a fragile collection of fiefs around Delhi grew into the great Mughal Empire, a diverse and sprawling kingdom across northern India.
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

He was a canny warlord whose conquests gave rise to one of the early modern world's wealthiest states. Moreover, while a Muslim, Akbar was spiritually curious and hosted religious scholars from Hindu gurus to Jesuits at his vast, diverse court
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

He was of the hue of wheat;his eyes and eyebrows were black and his complexion rather dark than fair
-Emperor Jahangir,on his father Akbar

Akbar is criticized for bringing Muslims and Hindus together as one nation and putting the separate identity of the Muslims in danger.This policy of Akbar contradicts the theory of Two-Nation and therefore makes him an unpopular figure in Pakistan
-Historian Mubarak ali

One could easily recognize even at first glance that he is King. He has broad shoulders, somewhat bandy legs well-suited for horsemanship, and a light brown complexion. He carries his head bent towards the right shoulder. His forehead is broad and open, his eyes so bright and flashing that they seem like a sea shimmering in the sunlight
-Jesuit Antoni de Monsterrat,on Akbar's appearance

He drank water from the Ganges river, which he called 'the water of immortality'.Special people were stationed at Sorun and later Haridwar to dispatch water, in sealed jars, to wherever he was stationed.
-Ain-i-Akbari,on Emperor Akbar's routine

He was fond of fruits and had little liking for meat, which he stopped eating in his later years.
-Emperor Jahangir,on his father Akbar

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I have left you the whole of Hindustan. Leave Lahore alone, and let Sirhind be a boundary between you and me.
-Emperor Humayun,to Sher Shah during his exile

I have left you Kabul
-Sultan Sher Shah,in a reply to the fugitive Humayun

When he was urged to make an example of his treacherous brother Kamran and kill him,Humayun refused citing the last words of his father, Babur,"Do nothing against your brothers, even though they may deserve it"

In very truth the greater part of the inhabitants of the world are like a flock of sheep, wherever one goes the others immediately follow
-Emperor Humayun during his reconquest,on the nature of leadership and the minds of men

Humayun,with his arms full of books, was descending the staircase from his library when the muezzin announced the Azaan (the call to prayer).It was his habit, wherever and whenever he heard the summons, to bow his knee in holy reverence.Trying to kneel, he caught his foot in his robe, tumbled down several steps and hit his temple on a rugged stone edge. He died three days later.

The Emperor had no horse fit for Hamida-banu Begum.He may have asked for one for her from Tardi Beg, who apparently did not give it. He then said,'Let the camel of Jauhar,the ewer-bearer,be got ready for me.I will ride it and the begum may have my horse
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on the exiled humayun's struggle in the desert and how nobody would offer his pregnant queen their mount

It was extremely hot; horses and other mounts kept sinking to the knees in the sand,and Maldeo was behind. On they went, thirsty and hungry.Many,women and men,were on foot.All through that night the Emperor went on, and at dawn a watering-place was found. For three days the horses had not drunk.
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on the exiled Humayun's struggle in the desert

They were all night in the snow,and at first there was neither wood for fire nor food to eat.They grew very hungry and feeble.The Emperor gave orders to kill a horse. There was no cooking-pot,so they boiled some of the flesh in a helmet, and some they roasted.They made fires on all four sides, and with his own blessed hand the Emperor roasted some meat which he ate. He used to say' My very head was frozen by the intense cold.
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on the exiled Humayun's struggle

In Umerkot he(humayun) left many people, and his family and relations, and also Khwaja Mu'azzarn to have charge of the haram.Hamida-banu Begam was with child.Three days after his Majesty's departure,and in the early morning of
Sunday, the fourth day of the revered Rajab, 949 A H.there was born his imperial Majesty, the world's refuge and conqueror, Jalalu-d-din Muhammad Akbar ghazi.The moon was in Leo. It was of very good omen that the birth was in a fixed Sign, and the astrologers said a child so born would be fortunate and long-lived.
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on her nephew Emperor Akbar's birth

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The affectionate sovereign loved grandchildren more than sons
-Abul Fazl,on Emperor Akbar

I consider him my true son
-Emperor Jahangir,on Akbar's love for his grandson Khurram(Shah Jahan)

That pleasure-loving youth,could not wean his heart from Hindustan.
-Abul Fazl,on Emperor jahangir as a prince

Things got so bad that in my hangovers my hands shook and trembled so badly I couldn’t drink myself but had to have others help me
-Emperor Jahangir,on his alcoholic addiction

With no beating around the bush,Highness,the way you’re drinking, in another six months – God forbid – things will be so bad it will be beyond remedy
-Emperor Jahangir's physician

By means of conversing with the Emperor and taking advantage of the idiosyncrasies of his disposition,he[Birbal] crept day by day more into favour, until he attained to high rank and was honoured with the distinction of becoming the Emperor’s confidant and it became a case of thy flesh is my flesh and thy blood my blood.
-Badayuni,envious of Emperor Akbar's fondness for Birbal

Alas! they could not even get his body out of the pass, that it might have been burned
-Emperor Akbar laments on not being able to retrieve Birbal's dead body for cremation

During an elephant fight organized in the grounds of Akbar’s court, one of the elephants, ‘unique for violence’,suddenly rushed towards Birbal, and seized him with his trunk. Akbar turned his horse around and galloped towards the elephant, charging at him, while all around him his soldiers and courtiers shouted out in alarm. The elephant then turned towards Akbar but, inexplicably, faltered, and Birbal was saved.
-an incident in 1583

When this terrible news was announced to Akbar, he was inconsolable. For two days and two nights he refused any food or water, did not attend to any state matters, left the bemused ambassador of Turan unattended, and turned away in grief from the jharoka window
-Emperor Akbar,on being informed of Raja Birbal's death in an ambush

His majesty grieved him exceedingly,and his heart turned away from everything
-Abul Fazl,on Emperor Akbar mourning Birbal's death

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It is better to go on working and doing good to the world than to go on a pilgrimage
-Emperor Akbar,in a letter to Raja Todar Mal

What harm?,if Khan Alam is dead; what fear ? if the Khan Khanan's horse has run away, the empire is ours!
-Raja Todar Mal,in midst of a battle with Daud Khan karrani

His majesty cared for the death of no grandee more than for that of Birbal. He said, 'Alas! they could not even get his body out of the pass, that it might have been burned"; but at last, he consoled himself with the thought that Birbal was now free and independent of all earthly fetters, and as the rays of the sun were sufficient for him, there was no necessity that he should be cleansed by fire.
-Badayuni,mocking Akbar's grief over Raja Birbal's death

On the other hand,that cursed hindu Birbal,tried to persuade the king(Akbar)that since the sun gives light to all, and ripens all grain, fruits, and products of the earth, and supports the life of mankind, that luminary should be the object of worship and veneration; that the face should be turned toward the rising, not toward the setting, sun..
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

Several wise men at court confirmed what he(Birbal) said by representing that the sun was the chief light of the world and the benefactor of its inhabitants, that it was a friend to kings and that monarchs established periods and eras in conformity with its motions. This was the cause of the worship paid to the sun on the New Year of the Persian emperor Jalal-ad-din(seljuk sultan),and the reason why he(Emperor Akbar)had been induced to adopt that festival for the celebration of his accession to the throne.
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

Every day, therefore,his majesty(Akbar) used to put on clothes of the particular colour which accorded with that of the regent planet of the day. He began also, at midnight and at early dawn, to mutter the spells which the Hindus taught him for the purpose of subduing the sun to his wishes.
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

From his earliest youth,in compliment to his wives, the daughters of the Rajas of Hind,his majesty(Akbar) had, within the female apartments, continued to burn the hom, which is a ceremony derived from fire-worship; but on the New Year festival of the twenty-fifth year after his accession (987 A.H) he prostrated himself both before the sun and before the fire in public, and in the evening the whole court were required to rise up respectfully when the lamps and candles were lighted.
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

On the festival of the eighth day after the sun’s entrance into Virgo in this year,his majesty(Akbar) came forth to the public audience-chamber with his forehead marked like a Hindu’ and with jewelled strings tied on his wrist by Brahmans as a blessing. The chiefs and nobles adopted the same practice in imitation of him and on that day presented pearls and precious stones suitable to their respective wealth and station. It also became the current custom to wear on the wrist the rakhi, an amulet formed of twisted linen rags
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

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My father(Akbar) used to hold 'Sunday' blessed and to pay it great respect,because it is dedicated to the great luminary and because it is the day on which the creation was begun.Throughout my dominions,this was one of the days on which,it was forbidden to kill animals.
-Emperor Jahangir,in his Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri

if there is a paradise on earth it is here,it is here,it is here!!(Kashmir)
-Ambiguous

During my stay in Tashkent, I endured much poverty and humiliation. No country, or hope of one!
-Babur,while in exile and impoverished

My desire for Hindustan had been constant. It was in the month of Shaban, the Sun being in Aquarius, that we rode out of Kabul for Hindustan
-Babur,on his initial expeditions across the Khyber

In the presence of such power and potency, we had to think of some place for ourselves and, at this crisis and in the crack of time there was, put a wider space between us and the strong foeman(Uzbeks).
-Babur,on losing his native and the looming uzbeki threat

By the grace of the Almighty God, this difficult task was made easy to me and that mighty army, in the space of a half a day was laid in dust
-Babur,on his victory at Panipat and founding the Mughal dynasty

The foe swooped on our troops and put them to rout
-Babur,on the Rana Sanga's ferocity in initial skirmishes

They either out of fear or to scare others.......and others from Bayana, praised and extolled the valour and ferocity of Rajput troops
-Babur,on the Fearsome reputation of the Rajput warriors

They (Mughals) had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs..... found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed
- William Erskine,historian

The Rajputs(at Khanwa), ... were ready to meet, face to face,... all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
— William Erskine,historian

It was a really good plan, and it had a favourable propagandistic effect on friend and foe
-Babur in the Baburnama,on declaring Jihad on Afghans and Rajputs

The accursed infidels remained confounded for one hour
-Babur,when there was a brief pause in the battle of khanwa after Sanga was shot

In the centre the Rajputs continued to fall without being able to retaliate in the least or advance to close grips. They were hoplessly outlclassed in weapon and their dense masses only increased their hopeless slaughter, as every bullet found its billet
-Sir Jadunath Sarkar,military historian on the battle of khanwa

Swordsmen though some Hindustanis maybe, most of them are ignorant and unskilled in military move and stand, in soldierly counsel and procedure.
-Babur,after victory at Khanwa

The powerful confederacy which depended so largely for its unity upon the strength and reputation of Mewar, was shattered by a single defeat and ceased henceforth to be a dominant factor in the politics of Hindustan
-Rushbrook Williams,on the battle of khanwa

Babur's cannon put an end to outdated trends in Indian warfare
-Pradeep Barua

The Rajputs, energetic, chivalrous,fond of battle and bloodshed, animated by strong national spirit and led on by a hero, were ready to meet, face to face, the boldest veterans of the camp and were at all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour
-William Erksine


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The fort taken, we entered and inspected it. On the walls, in houses, streets and alleys, the dead lay, in what numbers! Comers and goers to and fro were passing over the bodies.
-Babur,after defeating the pashtuns at Bajaur

With mind easy about the important affairs of the Bajaur fort, we marched, on Tuesday, one kuroh down the valley of Bajaur and ordered that a tower of heads should be set up on the rising-ground
-Babur,after victory at Bajaur

Do nothing against your brothers, even though they may deserve it
-Babur,to his son Humayun

I am drunk, officer.Punish me when I am sober
-Babur on alcoholism quotes his colleague

Everyone regrets drinking and swears an oath (of abstinence);I swore the oath and regret that.
-Babur,on giving up wine ever since the Battle of Khanwa

The new year, the spring, the wine and the beloved are joyful. Babur make merry, for the world will not be there for you a second time.
-Babur,to himself

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Since I was young and inclined to do these things,I ordered Mahmud the water-carrier to go to Hakim Ali’s house and bring some alcoholic syrup. The physician sent a phial and a half of yellow-coloured, sweet-tasting wine in a small bottle. I drank it and I liked the feeling I got
-Emperor Jahangir,on alcoholism

He was of medium height, and of fair complexion and good figure, rather fat than thin, he has on his face signs of small-pox. He was a great ruler,a man of justice,gallant and perfect in all things. But he was given to sudden fits of anger
-Domingo Paes,on Emperor Krishnadevaraya's appearance

He used to do exercises daily in the morning by applying oil on his body and used to work out till all the oil came out in the form of sweat. This was followed by a long ride over his horse. Then he used to take his bath, offer worship to gods and began his official work.
-Domingo Paes,on Emperor Krishnadevaraya's daily routine

He is the most feared king, but very cheerful and merciful
-Domingo Paes,on Emperor Krishnadevaraya

This palace of the king is surrounded by a very strong wall like some of the others, and encloses a greater space than all the castle of Lisbon.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

Going forward, you have a broad and beautiful street, full of rows of fine houses and streets of the sort I have described, and it is to be understood that the houses belong to men rich enough to afford such. In this street live many merchants, and there you will find all sorts of rubies, and diamonds, and emeralds, and pearls, and seed-pearls, and cloths, and every other sort of thing there is on earth and that you may wish to buy.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

He was flattered by some, envied by others, loved by none
-Edward S Holden,on Shah Jahan as a prince

In the immediate aftermath of his bereavement, the emperor was reportedly inconsolable.After her death, he went into secluded mourning for a year. When he appeared again, his hair had turned white, his back was bent, and his face worn.
-Emperor Shah Jahan,after his wife's death

In this city you will find men belonging to every nation and people, because of the great trade which it has, and the many precious stones there, principally diamonds.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

The size of this city I do not write here, because it cannot all be seen from any one spot, but I climbed a hill whence I could see a great part of it; I could not see it all because it lies between several ranges of hills. What I saw from thence seemed to me as large as Rome
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

I declare that no troops, horse or foot, could break their way through any street or lane, so great are the numbers of the people and elephants. This is the best provided city in the world.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

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huzurat
huzurat

KrishnaCN
Phenomenal Work! Had lot of fun reading these quotes myself. Though some are too long for just loading screens. But even these are a treat to read. Loved Babur's 'Officer I'm drunk, punish me when I'm sober'. The man had it!

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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

Continued from above...

Both Ashoka and Akbar saw and ruled country in their heydays 1826 years apart and administered a diverse group of people with different religions and are the only 2 to be worthy enough of claiming the title of great...in that context it's important to see how they managed spirituality and pragmatism whilst putting on a facade of protecting the existing order..so here it goes

The world is a Bridge, pass over it, but build no houses upon it. He who hopes for a day, may hope for eternity; but the World endures but an hour. Spend it in prayer for the rest is unseen.
-Inscription on the Buland Darwaza,on the illusory nature of life

Learning is a plant that grows in all climes.
-Emperor Akbar,on inquisitiveness

Most worshippers of God are intent on the advancement of their own destiny, not on His worship. In India, no one has ever claimed to be a prophet. The reason is that claims to divinity are customary.
-Emperor Akbar,on Faith

It is best for ordinary men to have only one wife ! 😂😂😂
-Emperor Akbar

No society can prosper if it aims at making things easier-instead it should aim at making people stronger.
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

Let all listen, and be willing to listen to the doctrines professed by others.
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

It is forbidden to decry other sects; the true believer gives honour to whatever in them is worthy of honour
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

May the partisans of all doctrines in all countries unite and live in a common fellowship. For all alike profess mastery to be attained over oneself and purity of the heart.
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

Continued from above....

Verily,he(Sultan Sher Shah Suri)is the one 'Teacher of Kings'(Ustad-I-Badshahan)
-Emperor Humayun,on his arch rival and nemesis (couldn't find the exact quote,but humayun called him the teacher of Kings...so I made up this one for dramatic purposes)

Oh Shaikhu Baba,what have you done to me??!!...surely there was no need to do this since you very well know that you would inherit the throne after me
-Emperor Akbar in a delirious fit ,falsely accuses prince salim(jahangir) of poisoning him

वीर भोग्या वसुंधरा(only the Brave shall inherit the earth)-total truth 😂
-Rajputana quote

Saint Kabir das,arguably according to me the greatest saint of his time has great lessons to give

Many have died; you also will die.The drum of death is being beaten. The world has fallen in love with a dream. Only sayings of the wise will remain.

All know that the drop merges into the ocean, but few know that the ocean merges into the drop

But if a mirror ever makes you sad you should know that it does not know you

If you want the truth, I’ll tell you the truth: Listen to the secret sound, the real sound, which is inside you.

The river that flows in you also flows in me.

What is God? He is the breath inside the breath

Love does not grown on trees or brought in the market, but if one wants to be "LOVED" one must first know how to give (unconditional)LOVE.

If you don't break your ropes while you're alive, do you think ghosts will do it after?

The Lord is in me, the Lord is in you,as life is in every seed, put false pride away and seek the Lord within..

I don't think there is such a thing as an intelligent mega-rich person. For who with a fine mind can look out upon this world and hoard what can nourish a thousand souls.

The Kazi is searching the words of the Koran, and instructing others: but if his heart be not steeped in that love, what does it avail, though he be a teacher of men?

Reading book after book the whole world died,
and none ever became learned!
But understanding the root matter is what made them gain the knowledge!

— Kabir Granthavali

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,
then who is there to know what happens without?

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Saints I see the world is mad.
If I tell the truth they rush to beat me,
if I lie they trust me.
— Kabir

Keep the slanderer near you, build him a hut in your courtyard —For, without soap or water, he will scrub your character clean.
— Kabir

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KingKorgoth

KrishnaCN Kabir has some great quotes. I don't know if he's at all well known in India but I met Andrew Harvey last year, he is a bit odd but very inspiring

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huzurat
huzurat

He is very well known in India, in fact his couplets (dohas) are compulsory curriculum for our Hindi literature classes in middle school. Essentially the Bhakti saints revitalized the Indian society in the midst of constant wars and invasion of the medieval and early modern era.

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