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Taking a look at the actual length of the Invisible Hand, and Providence-class in general, by examining the film.

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Hi all,

In trying to keep with movie-canon for the mod, I’ve had some difficulty in accepting the current canon lengths of the Providence. This is such an important ship to get “right” in a Clone Wars era mod, so I’ve put some thinking into it a bit beyond others...

The Invisible Hand in Revenge of the Sith never once (in my view) appears to be only 1,088 meters in length. Yet the Clone Wars Providence Dreadnought, at 2,177.35 meters, double the length of the shorter version (General Grievous’ version), also appears to be way off the mark, even if the General actually used the larger model as his command vessel.

As seen here, there are Munificent escorts to the Invisible Hand that are just further away from the camera than the Invisible Hand:

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Below is another shot of what appears to be the same Munificent, just a bit behind the Providence that is closer to the foreground. It’s hard for me to accept that the Providence, at 1,088 meters, is only ⅓ of a Munificent (at 845 meters) longer than a Munificent, even if the Frigate is further behind the Providence in the shot- Invisible Hand doesn’t appear to be that much further in the foreground.

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As seen in this shot, the escorting Munificents (845 meters) which appear to be quite close to the Invisible Hand are hardly a mere ⅔ the length of the Invisible Hand, even given that they are somewhat behind it.

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During the engagement between the Invisible Hand and the Venator (1,088 meters vs the Venator's 1,155 meters), the ships are nearly side-by-side. The rear of the Venator in this shot however does appear to be a bit further back than the prow of the Providence, yet even so, I have a difficult time visualizing that ship being longer than the Providence, yet alone even the same length.

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Here’s a closer shot of where the Venator’s bow is next to the Invisible Hand. Side-by-side, it appears to be around the beginning to midpoint (remember, the frontal “cone” of the Providence accounts for just half the entire ship- the rest is the hanger and engine section) of the Invisible Hand’s hanger opening. Again, even if the Venator’s stern is behind the bow of the Providence, I cannot believe that the Providence is shorter vessel than the Venator (at 1,155 meters), by 67 meters. Can the Venator really be the larger vessel given these shots?

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The two ships are also not too far apart from one another!

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Now take a look at this concept art from StarWars.com of Admiral Trench’s Providence for the Clone Wars TV show.

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By measuring the Munificent and normalizing its length to 825 meters, I was able to calculate a length, in meters of the Providence: 1,580 meters to the Munificent's 825. That’s much smaller than the over 2,000 meter-long double-the-size cousin of the Invisible Hand! With 1,580 meters as the length of the larger Providence, that’s actually a size that I can easily see matching the length of Grievous' Invisible Hand as well. Remember the ships in this shot?

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Here's a Venator included, scaled at 1,155 meters based on the Munificent's length of 845 meters. Looks pretty close to the relationship of the Venator and the Invisible Hands during their broadside, huh? Look at where the Venator's bow ends...

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Also, it's interesting to hear Lucas describe Grievous' ship as a “Star Destroyer” in the RotS commentary, especially given that this length of 1,580 meters is nearly the length of the Imperial Star Destroyers at 1,600 meters. Perhaps that's what the original art team at Lucas was aiming at back in the day- a “Star Destroyer” type vessel, not one barely 1,000 meters long?

Now here is a mock-up of the Venator and Providence broadside as seen in the film, scaled at 1,155 meters and 1,580 meters respectively. As they say, "if the shoe fits"...

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Now here's the same shot but with a 1,088 meter long Providence against the same 1,155 meter long Venator. No part of either ship is lining up with the other anymore and the bow of the Venator is dramatically further down the length of Invisible Hand than seen in the film.

Duel at 1088

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Given this, I’m inclined to scale the Providence-class Dreadnought at 1,580 meters. At that length, I’ve even been able to fit scaled MTTs inside the hanger with headroom to spare, as seen in the film (something impossible to do with the cramped little hanger of the 1,088 meter-long Providence). But what are your thoughts? Am I wrong in my assessment of the Providence’s length in the film? Is 1,088 actually the reasonable length from watching Revenge of the Sith?

Fun side note: what appears to be Admiral Trench’s original name as seen in that concept art: “Taranch”. I guess “Taranch” was a bit too on the nose, eh?

-beregond

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darkyuri
darkyuri

Nice article.
Good format for another articles like this.

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Juan_Ca
Juan_Ca

I had the very same concern with the new Fall of the Republic mod, Corey did playthroughs as the CIS and Grievous providence just looked far too small (even facing an acclamator), taking into account what I remembered from the movie; I also need to admit that based on that, I always thought Grievous actually used the bigger variant. Anyway, nice research.

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SebCrabe
SebCrabe

I'm so excited for this mod!!

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HyugaN3ji
HyugaN3ji

My only concern with the whole thing is, that i fear you might get burned too fast if you do so much research about how long/big ships are. Dont get me wrong, if you enjoy it and think its a necessity, an essential part of how the mod feels and looks, then go for it.

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Tuskin38
Tuskin38

Yeah, sometimes the movie makers scale up and down ships to make them look better in shots.

I mean it even happens at the very start of ROTS, the Venator's compared to the Jedi's starfighters look way too big (or the fighters are too small)

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EtienneLF
EtienneLF

I've been making 3D models of Star Wars Droids and Vehicles for some time now and the one thing I've noticed above all else when referencing is that you can't trust the scale. They are almost always wrong, especially when it comes to the larger vehicles.

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Guest
Guest

This does seem correct to me, according to the Anaxes War College George Lucas calling the Providence a Star Destroyer is correct, as Star Destroyers are 1000, 2000 meters. Although if we are going off of the 2000 meter variant, it would be a battlecruiser. Also, the Invisible Hand was modified to have a larger hangar and less room for reactors. That's why there are MTTS in it if it is the smaller variant.

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