Five Elite Mercenaries are send to an Island in middle of the 1980'. The Task: Find and Eliminate a local Drug Baron. Features: new Physic, real Sunmovement, Day/Night Change, Hunger/Food system, realistic (!) Weather system, Light/Dark viewing system for AI, 5 different Fractions on the Island. Complete Realistic simulation of nearly all things, including Sleep. New weapons, new Vehicles. Vehicles driving system is now exact (!) like GTA IV , FireSystem,... this mod is Heavily inspired by GTA, IGI, FarCry.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

Vanilla FarCry, VeryHigh, PS3.0
just wanna adress a problem which i encountered several times, here is a valid screenshot from.

the topic is: AMD driver.
--> newer / actual drivers are extreme slower than older ones in DX9 in FarCry.
the screenshot says all.
i enountered this problem with AMD4850, AMD 5770, AMD6850, on WXPSP2, WXPSP3, W7, W8

you may say, ok, still enough FPS, but take in mind that this is Vanilla FarCry. in my mod i stuff out the maps until i reach critical 30-45 FPS (on the fast, old driver ^^).
Imagine how hillarious it is, when i test the Map on the new driver, instead of somewhat playable 25-50 FPS i have 9-16 FPS , which is totally broken.

i can't do anything against this. i just wanna adress this for future, maybe you have a AMD/ATI card inside and can't run the mod with acceptable FPS, maybe its only the broken driver (with broken i mean "newer, better, blabla, most recent" driver

btw, Nvidia seems not having such Problems.

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Gendarme_zero
Gendarme_zero

Can't wait to test your mod on my ATI 8850m ddr5 2gb ;)

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pvcf Author
pvcf

be sure to install the newset drivers to keep the 5 FPS average :D

btw, could you please do two screenshots of farcry with settings "very high" (map Fort, first savepoint) and send it to me? would be intresting to see your FPS there with your card! (you can send it to me with pm or just upload it here as image, its ok for me!)

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KillerLex
KillerLex

Yes, on my old HD 5770 I can use only Catalyst 12.10. If I use newer driver then 12.10 game losing many FPS.

On my new R9 280 3Gb with one of latest driver (12.10 is incompatible with this card) I have good FPS, but some lighting problems when shoot from weapons (lighting artefacts ??) and I need to set lighting quality as "medium"

P.S: AMD sux

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pvcf Author
pvcf

thank you for this detailed information, especially about 12.10 version, i tried also ~6 different drivers but not this one, i thinking about a database where i collect such info.
could you pls post the two FPS values from the scene above, together with your driver version you use and which CPU at which clock-speed?

lightning artefacts: are they black square objects on the screen? which OS do u use ?

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pvcf Author
pvcf

wow, tested 12.08 with GTA IV and GTA IV EFCL and i have doubbled framerates than with 13.9 :D

this, ladys and gentlemans at AMD driver section is DISGUSTING!

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Marek33
Marek33

I had some framerate issues as well, but now I'm using older driver and everything works great.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

could you pls post the two FPS values from the scene above, together with your driver version, your GPU card name and the CPU at which clock?

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Marek33
Marek33

When I'm looking at the Fort I have 170 fps and when I'm looking behind I have 380 fps.
My GPU is R9 280X (Originally I wanted to buy some card from the 300 series, but I'm very satisfied that I didn't).
The driver version is 15.300.1025.0
Also, I'm using catalyst 15.8 and I'm on Win7.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

wow, 140 vs 170 is not that much, especially with a card which is about 3 generations away. maybe we run here already in a CPU limit, the view to motor possibly shows it: 280 vs 380 is a better big bang :) raw draw power :D

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Marek33
Marek33

I forgot about CPU which is i5 4690.
I think that's the reason. My CPU usage was about 50% and GPU usage was 60%.
Well from the benchmarks and from the videos which I saw 300 series is very bad and that's unfortunate because AMD needs money now more than ever before.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

depending on TNLGG's measure (down this page), its not the CPU limit, he have a faster CPU than i and his R9 390 is slower than your card.
its clear a driver fault. (he use 15.30)

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Marek33
Marek33

Probably. But don't forget that I don't have full HD resolution (1920x1080) but a little lower (1600x1200). Also, r9380 is better only in memory, but clock speed, memory clock speed and higher effective memory clock speed are a little better on my GPU. So I went much say the new one is better. I read some discussions about this and I think both of those GPUs are very good, but r9 380 should be much better than the one which AMD release. Overall whole 300 series should be better, but it isn't.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

maybe they are but the driver is not capable of take advantage of the power. see the fury. schould be muuuuach faster and what comes to the end on the road ? -> meh !
inbetween i believe AMD does not have a hardware problem, they have a very very very strong software problem.

pls, could you repeat your FPS measure with 1280x1024 ? (i know its not practicable on your 16:10 (?), but i wanna compare the renderer intself depending on screenresolution).
i bet, the FPS stays nearly the same.

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Marek33
Marek33

So here are the results: when looking at Fort 170 fps (again) but when I'm looking behind I have 440 fps. However, I had also open Firefox and Dawn of War Soulstrom (I'm checking some things in UA mod and I don't want to turn it off because it has very long loading time = especially when it is a huge map) but they take mostly memory and CPU so GPU isn't much affected but maybe I would have 5 or 10 fps more.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

thank you! have to think about what this means, i'm not very sure about.
maybe its not the drawcall routine which is broken, it seems its the texturefiller or a memoryswap problem of different textures depending on screenresolution. but its strange that this happens not on crysis (on my tests)

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Marek33
Marek33

Well its strange for me too. However, I agree with your option about AMD drivers too. They shouldn't release drivers which decrease performance so much.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

someone should tell them, but i fear they wont listen to normal pples :D

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Marek33
Marek33

Hopefully they will because concurrency is a good thing. If there would be only NVIDIA it would be very bad.

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tnlgg
tnlgg

Yes my CPU is faster,but i keep it at 3.4GHz for Far Cry,no need to have it at 4GHz.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

damn you can overclock your 9550 to 4ghz ?!?
i bet you have to overclock it for my mod :/ i'm currently in serious trouble about the performance. i always was thinking my 7 year old system is way slower than actual systems, now i see that, atleast with AMD cards, the driver kill the performance back to 2008.

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tnlgg
tnlgg

Yes i set it to 4GHz where i need it,but mostly i have it at 3.4GHz.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

ok, starting with
catalyst 12.8 (seems 12.10 is not availible anymore)
AMD H5770
140 FPS (viewdirection to island)
267 FPS (viewdirection to motor)

(q6600 @ 3ghz , wxp sp3)

please take part :)

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Argoon
Argoon

Those are really old drivers have you tried the 15.7.1 or the Radeon Software Crimson Edition Beta 16.1 they also support the AMD HD5000 and HD6000 family. For older cards i'm afraid users are stuck with 12.x or 13.1 according to AMD.

Btw Farcry is very old, so is not surprising if new AMD drivers don't have optimizations for it, or problems with it, their driver department is much smaller then Nvidia so older games take less "love" compared to new games, we should not forget that AMD as less then half of the market share of Nvidia.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

its not missing "optimization" what we found out, its a destroyed driverdevelopement with loss up to 50% GPU power.
there is no need for newer drivers, because they does not add any single feature for such old cards. this is ok for me, but reducing the performance from 253 to 150 FPS is more than a bad joke.
and yes, i have tried more than this two driver versions, i think i tried up to 7 different driver versions on each GPU's and each OS i mentioned in first post.

i also does not wanted to say that i love Nvidia, its not! i have a AMD, have had always one and will have one as next, if i can afford it.
but such driver horror is insane.
read Mareks FPS measures from his R280. i wonder how they could be with not destroyed drivers.
you must understand how AMD's drivers work to understand my confusing: there is no unify driver for all cards, where result a optimization in a newer version for a newer card in performance loss for older ones. its not! every single card in every single revision have his own driver code section, and they messed up a old one.
its very very hard not to mumble in the beard that this is maybe the same **** like smartphone OS updates, which makes older smartphones slow, so you are more motivated to buy finally a new one, to gain the orignal speed.

Radeon Software Crimson Edition is a replacement for catalyst, which is not the driver itself, its the control center.
Radeon Software Crimson Edition drivers in beta editopons are about 1 % slower than catalyst control drivers.

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Argoon
Argoon

I comprehend your frustration is really sad when a old game that we love gets the shaft but unfortunately that is how the market is being made, but yes that must be a driver bug or a limitation of the new GCN based GPU's, perhaps they lost some old hardware based tech required by Cryengine 1, that is now being simulated by software so the lower performance, i'm assuming this of course not sure, but GCN Architecture was made to shine on dx12/Vulkan/Mantle. Btw Nvidia not having the problem is not surprising, they are still using the "old" GPU Architecture reason why they are better at dx11 and AMD better in dx12, at lest in the few dx12 demos we have till now.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

i actually know what happens: AMD called it "driver redesign" for the HD7xxx architecture, done with drivers > 10.10. also nearly all custom ATI / AMD tools, developed by third party fractions, did not work up that point.

by investigation i have also readen horrible stories about actual Nvidia drivers (bluescreens since months without any fixes ...)

edit:
and its not a software simulation, my old 5770 was also slowed down by 70% with newer drivers than 10.10

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Argoon
Argoon

Ok then is a driver bug unfortunately i don't think AMD will solve that but you can ask them anyway.

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tnlgg
tnlgg

The driver version is 15.30.1025
AMD R9 380 4GB @ stock clocks
140 FPS (viewdirection to island)
340 FPS (viewdirection to motor)

Cpu: Q9550 @ 3.4ghz on Windows 7 Ultimate x64

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pvcf Author
pvcf

thank you very much! what about your nvidia card?
i'm confused about the 140 FPS. your CPU is clear faster than mine, your GPU us extreme faster than mine, but i have >150 FPS, seems the driver is broken like hell.
btw, GTAIV is also attempted. Crysis not (as far as i have tested).

it seems mareks R9 280x with 15.8 is faster than R9 380 with 15.30.

now it would be intresting if you would be motivated to test a other driver version, like mareks one or the lowest you can find which is working with your R9 380 ?

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tnlgg
tnlgg

This is the only driver available for that card,can't find any older or newer.

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pvcf Author
pvcf

thank you! can you reproduce that the scene in island looking direction does not change the FPS if you switch to lower resolution ingame, but the ocean scene increase FPS ?

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tnlgg
tnlgg

viewdirection to island was 160 fps,i typed 140 above.

With lower resolution(1366x768) i get:

160 fps view to island
430 fps view to ocean

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