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In this update, we're taking a quick look back and retroactively update the previous updates so I don't cringe about it anymore.

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Ello again friends, looks like we're back at, well, looking back at things (that didn't quite age well) and updating the updates! Even more meta than meta facebook!

And no, I don't mean the earlier versions of the mod or the cringe models I attempted to make when I was 15 (plz don't look it up.) What I meant is the PLA vehicles stuff particularly the earlier stuff like the Battle-master, the Troop Crawler, the Overlord, etc.

So, what exactly went wrong and right and why is there a need for a renovation of said stuff? Or, to freshen up so to speak.

So, back when I was creating the the first batch of vehicles, I couldn't really decided whether to make the vehicles all the way "realistic" or to make them in accordance to vZH designs.

Visualisation of vZH design first, realism later


The problem arose when deciding which elements to keep, which to ditch or which to add without going all the way down either end of the said spectrum which I couldn't really get it right, well, right away. So I just stuck with the old design principle same as how I did it before.

What I came up with quite later was the idea of realistic vehicles with the charm of vZH (colour scheme, wacky armaments, etc.) designs still attached as you could kinda see morbing throughout the PLA vehicle updates (no consistency lol)



With that said, let's start with the first vehicle I've done ever since these past few years: the Battle-master.

Ah yes, one of the vehicles that suffered greatly from the old design principle of vZH design first, realism later.

Despite claiming to the ZTZ-88A, the apparent turret shape is just wacky, comedically large and more adherent to vZH style. Sure, at the first it looked fine when comparing to the vZH Crusader but it looked worse and worse the more I added new vehicles.

What's also closer to the vZH design is the lack of exhaust which when I look back at now, I could only utter "HUH?" I guess I could have pass the exhaust as the rear vents but it just look wrong when even the Scorpion has exhaust pipes.

Another feature of vZH Battle-master that was kept was the front grills. I guess it looked cool but when you do extensive research into contemporary combat vehicles, it's just out of place and just doesn't any sense at all so I had to ditch it.

Example: irl smoothbore guns aren't so smooth looking


The barrel was also just plainly textured when in reality, barrel of different designs does indeed have lines running across it.

And lastly, the wide and THICC treads. Don't really know I was thinking really. It doesn't make any sense for any treads to be that THICC. I guess I just use the same mesh as vZH and called it a day or something? (lol)

So with the new design I had to salvage from whatever is left. And now, All of those problems are fixed and more consistently aligned with all the other stuff I made.



Another vehicle that suffered greatly was the Troop Crawler.

Like, the whole damn thing didn't look like the actual ZSL-10 APC at all. It just looked like vZH Troop Crawler but a bit taller and more modern.

This is because I couldn't find the damn blueprints so I just make it out of thin air by looking at pixelated photos and trying my best to make another vZH Troop Crawler lol.

And this aged very poorly and became very cringey to look at.

As you know, cringe can be a very powerful tool for a person to improve their craft. So powerful in fact, that I just deleted it entirely, search for the blueprints and remade the whole damn thing. And now we don't have to speak about it anymore and you can just wipe it from your memories.

Damn, I can't believe I nailed the Troop Crawler design first try. I'm so good.


NVZTZ921 GRender




And lastly, the Overlord.

Although, didn't quite suffer that much from the same faults as the two mentioned above, the lack of deep details and in its place, flat details still made it quite dated.

What do I mean by this? Well, in the earlier designs, I deployed what I call the "black lines and bolts" a lot and perhaps too much. This is what I call "flat details" and no, this has no basis on reality whatsoever; it just looked cool imo.

I never got rid of it completely because when deployed in moderation in addition to what I call the "bevels and hinges" or "deep details," it looked great imo. And no, this mostly has no basis on reality either except for hatches.

So with that in mind, when you inspect the first version of the Overlord, you can see an abundance of these flat details that are not as present in my later works. The solution is simple really, just add the deep details everywhere while keeping some flat details then get rid of the other issues the Battle-master also had (grills, lack of exhaust, plain barrels, etc.)

And just like that, the Overlord looks new again!

"But what of the other vehicles?" you may ask. Well, I also updated plenty of them as well although not to the same extent as these three. In particular, most had the same THICC treads issue and the lack of exhaust that was quite easy to fix.

Nevertheless, I will update their renders as well so you could have a look at what has been changed which can be found here: Facebook.com (don't wanna flood moddb media section)

On a last note and most importantly, when speaking of "Retrospective Look", I think it is VERY CRUCIAL especially at times such as this to look at the history of modern conflicts and how they came to be through a critical lens.

And so, C&C Generals can be somewhat paralleled to what's happening irl, etc. whether you wanna admit it or not, it's a very political game and a very biased one at that. And no, they didn't predict anything. History is repeating itself once again. It's just the history most people probably don't know about because they weren't taught for a reason.

It's so easy just to take the news and headlines at face value while your favourite cute news anchor calls for the annihilation of a group of people because they're deviants, barbaric, savages, etc. that they're gonna replace your race, coming for your freedom or eat your children or something completely unhinged with a few "evidences" that paints the entire group of people based on inherent characteristics as such.

After all, they surely must be correct right? Every news channels in existence whether in your TV, your PC or your phone keeps telling you the same damn thing. They're the "professionals" after all, surely they must know the information they're telling you is 100% the reality. Wrong.

So what of the "critical lens" exactly? Well, it's a way of looking at things in which would inform you that although the antagonists may seem to change faces every now or so, whether its the GLA, the GIN, the Arabs, the Jews, the Africans, the Latin Americans, the Soviets, the Vietnamese, the Chinese, the Koreans, the Gays or whatever being labeled as the so-called "Terrorists" or "Vermins", there are things that remain constant: colonisation, exploitation, imperialism, fascism, you named it are part of same the ruling ideology: capitalism


Well shit, I guess there's no escaping after all


Well, if you ask me "Why bother changing things? Things are comfortable for me already, I don't mind seeing my fellow human beings being erased out of existence, treated like second class citizens or marginalised to the edge of the society just because they're born where they are or born that way" and I would tell you, this: Things might be fine for you now but when there's no one left, they're going to come for you and they would be no one else there to speak for you or your future generations. You'll be completely isolated and be easy pickings.

So yes, better start rethinking how the rich stays rich and how they actively gaslighting you to hate each other based on what, like how they eat, how they live, how they dress, colour of their hair, colour of their skin, which way they love, how they were born, how annoying they are or how a bit weird they might seem at first glance?

All trivial stuff to hyperfocus on and rage about especially every damn time a new piece of media features a black gay character or something or new tabloid article is released claiming the SJWs are ruining muh media. Save your anger and frustration. It's rather childish to direct it those who don't deserve it. Live and let live as a wise person once say? Maybe learn a few new things from them like reading a new lore from a fantasy faction.

Also, how does that affects anyone in meaningful way exactly when our collective rice pots and the planet itself are on the line, hmm? Maybe we should be responsible adults for once, stop fighting, get together and do something meaningful about it, perhaps??? Just a food for thought, of course. Just speaking my mind so don't get any funny ideas, hahaha :)

Sorry for the rant, had to get it our of my system. Anyway, I completely forgot what I was talking about. And that's exactly what's in the next update so stay tune! Bye!


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GDI_Amiya
GDI_Amiya - - 197 comments

The old version of the Crusader tank looks quite handsome. Although we have Leopard 2 and M1 in the new version, this design can still be reserved for the sub-faction.
As for the Battle Master, I personally have never liked the round Soviet-style turret, but the Type 88 is indeed a tank of great significance. The new version looks a lot more coordinated, but I still look forward to a PLA with a cast turret main Battle tanks, but we already have a better looking 96B, what else could I expect, keep working, these models are really beautiful.

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

Yeah, maybe I could recycle the design in the future somehow but gonna have to remake it entirely regardless.

Thank you for your comment!

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John_Rises
John_Rises - - 99 comments

just release it already!! xD

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Radu273
Radu273 - - 1,457 comments

i agree. i want already to see a beta release, no matter how buggy it is

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

Not too buggy, I think. I've seen some that are just down right hilarious.

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

Not until I share every details and finish, well, the finishing touch :>

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eil
eil - - 844 comments

Unlike person here, i always liked soviet design of weapons, so since no additional sides in this mod, i like that some chineese weaponry in some aspects "resemble their parents appearance".
Yet, speaking about realism sorta, i'd so much wish Overlord finally get rid of those double barrels = that's a totally western design, mainly loved by "allied faction" players, but for some definite reasons constantly pushed upon "enemy side".

P.S. "History is repeating itself once again. It's just the history most people probably don't know about because they weren't taught for a reason."(c) So true, especially last part.

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

GIN does have plenty of Soviet era weapons although even it's painted light brown, often super modified locally and in not so pristine condition (game visual.) Not the exact same but yeah. Adding Russia, SEATO or something like MEC from BF2 would take me like 5 years each of on non-stop work lol (sub-faction not included)

Would be interesting to know the story behind why the Communist factions seem to always get doubled-barrel tanks in vanilla C&C games. I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about it.

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eil
eil - - 844 comments

Well, here's a version for you.
Where did big tanks with 2 barrels come from? Simple, check germanic projects Ratte and Landcruiser.
Why put them to communistic factions? Not so easy here.
First of, those gigantic and powerful projects definitely astonished "western allies". But putting those on Allied side could put a grim shadow upon "always rightful fighter for freedom", somebody would definitely find it strange to have nazi tech for the West.(the fact that IRL most of nazis were saved by West and their engineers fully incorporated, is already a big enough secret to cover)
Second, check parade that happened in Berlin in 1945, video can be found. The biggest "surprise" for the western allies were the IS-3 tanks. Those big and powerful machines were brought under top secrecy and no doubt made a frightening effect on "recent allies".(who already had plans to re-arm nazi battalions and lead them, that's why "Uncle Joe" sent a little reminder to think twice)

Next comes Fulton's speech and well known things. So fusing these with "definitely trustworthy" propaganda, that still keeps coming, it's obvious decision to put some "huge nazi-resembling tanks" on Soviet side. Yet this additionally allows to reflex the fact, that all main and huge tank-battles were on Eastern front, so at least in games western people can win over some big bad tanks.

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

Yeah, it's probably what you've said. Starting with Ratte then the Australian Cruiser AC and Versuchsträger 1–2. All Western aligned powers' technology.

Not just the double-barrel tanks but also many other sussy things I've noticed within Generals and across games as well (not including other stuff I've mentioned):
-Propaganda tactics (CoH for the Nazis and C&C for China)
-China and GLA being weak and strong at the same thing. China's stuck in Cold war era but has the best tank and various nuclear stuff. GLA is just resistance fighters (Hamas, PLO and maybe Hezbollah as well?) and Libya with all the US's propaganda on chemical warfare, terror tactics and stealing of humanitarian aid amped up to the next level. Usually they prefer green, red and orange on GLA factions. All of this while US uses "clean" and "precise" high tech armaments, helping civilians and delivering humanitarian aids. No usage of agent orange, anthrax, napalm, white phosphorus, dpu shells, nukes or other stuff they've used in the past.
-GLA's HQ being in Kazakhstan??? This despite the fact that they're based largely by the aforementioned entities. So maybe orientalism?
-GLA weaponising Baikonur's rocket launch system (Baikonur Cosmodrome is built in 1955 during USSR's era) because Soviet is evil and how dare they get to space first. So probably space race saltiness maybe?
-China fighting the GLA doesn't make any sense. If you look at irl politics, China gets along fine with most countries including countries in the Middle East and North Africa. So probably projection.
-China getting its version of 911 but with nukes for no good reason. In the game, China never really projects its imperial power and neocolonial politics like the West do irl so probably another projection.
-China destroying its own super dam (way inside the central of China) to stop the GLA to show incompetency.
-The removal of Mao's portrait and any communist symbols despite heavily base China in the post-WW2 era.
-China being the only one who utilises nationalism despite it being utilised to varying extent by every nation on Earth (whole another can of worms.) US also has its own version called American exceptionalism which is the most dangerous in modern world imo.
-GLA invading Europe in full force in ZH. It's just racism and anti-immigration **** lmao.

On their own, these may seem trivial but as I've listed, it adds up A LOT. Maybe there's more but I'm out for now lol

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SichuanPizza
SichuanPizza - - 6 comments

I wonder if there will be Fei generals' impretor tanks in the new version?
I really like this unit

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

Sadly, no. But I could revisit the idea some time later. Surprisingly, it does have the C&C4; vibe to it (mobile cc)

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Ronnin2011
Ronnin2011 - - 38 comments

y00000, another update from the man, the legend, the Enhancer himself!

Didn't knew u had a FB page for the mod! Found a new place to spam! j/k XD
Really glad to see talented people don't just sit on their talent but also evolve their critical thinking!!
It was a pleasure reading all of it, once again!
So, aside of the revisiting and revamping of old meshes and textures, I'm sure u have done work to the AI too, I mean u got to have at least fixed the bugs that cause the game to lag.. But u haven't told us anything specific about evolving it ,etc, though.. Will u share any info on an upcoming update?

Anyhow, thanks for the update Vec! Much appreciated!
And much love as always Vec <3

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

Yeah, the Facebook has up since forever. You can spam as much as you like :D

The new AI is being worked on by DARKozDARKA so I don't know the all specifics (I also don't script that much tbh) but it's running way better than vZH scripts for sure.

Thank you for your comment!

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General_Frank
General_Frank - - 67 comments

The gun you showed is not a smoothbore gun.
It's rifled. It is just the thermal sleeve around that has the ridges :)
En.wikipedia.org

I like the art of this mod. Such high-quality.

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

Oh, my bad. Thanks for the correction. I didn't check which gun it was. Just googled it, copy and pasted the thing and called it a day lol.

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Guest
Guest - - 690,820 comments

Awesome! This is what the World needs!
Hopefully the sound eFx are brutal and voice overs' are new!
My Favorite MoD!

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VectorIV Author
VectorIV - - 3,173 comments

SFXs are better than the last version, I think. Less heavy on the ears but also still more impactful than vZH's. But that's highly depending on individual tastes.

Voice overs are done by volunteers for free so it ranges from okay to excellent depending on how you would grade it, I guess.

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