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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

I don't think those labels were ever accurate, the main two dimensions I see to politics are Social and Fiscal issues. I'm generally socially liberal and fiscally conservative, with some libertarian sympathies. Nazis were socially conservative and fiscally liberal, practically the exact opposite of my POV. These SJWs are both socially and fiscally liberal, I think the only thing that separates them from classical Nazis are their social views. Also unlike them I think freedom of speech is more important than feelings.

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GeneralTantor
GeneralTantor

Yep both sides are used by the Lobbyist and mega rich to fit the wealthiest needs above the rest of the country... The democratic party is suppose to support the poor when in reality they destroy the poor by making them dependent on Welfare... And the Republican party is suppose to support Ideas of limited government... But both are false para-dimes of what they actually do which is whatever their Big Lobbyist want...

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CommanderDef
CommanderDef

Now imagine having more parties than two.

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Mr.Walrus
Mr.Walrus

I don't think there's a real ideological gulf between the parties, just a perceived one. Both parties in the US seem to have very similar views on both social and economic issues; one slightly more to the right, the other slightly more to the left. Compared to other industrialized nations, the US is far to the right regardless of party.

Whatever is causing the seemingly massive gap between the parties, I don't think it's actual ideological differences. Maybe something to do with new forms of media or international politics that makes polarization/demonizing more politically advantageous than in times past (though that's certainly been around for a while too).

I feel like politics will probably chug along business as usual, but we may head towards a debate more along the lines of libertarianism vs. social democracy.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston

What has become the right is now a parody of Faux News, its entirely incoherent and in a deep rage. Everywhere, a Mexican or ISIS member is out to get them; its all nationalistic egotism and no substance. Between the genuine fascists, the majority who are simply corrupt politicians, and the glorified anarchists(aka libertarians) that seem to hate the US more than anything, there is a glue composed of fear and nationalism that keeps them vaguely on the same page.

The left, it hardly exists in any official capacity and just north of the border Canada puts the US' concept of "right/left" to shame. Democrats are mostly nothing more than seeming-compassionate conservatives by western standards and most are generally less corrupt than their Republican counterparts, as if being less **** were much a selling point. What little of the left that exists in an organized capacity is shared by a majority of Democratic Socialists, a sadly notable number of intellectually bankrupt "progressives" and a tiny group of pathetic SJWs with trigger warnings tattooed to their foreheads right under their brightly-dyed hair.

Media would tell you the US is largely conservative but when one considers the ever-growing number of atheists and the fact that the majority of them are some flavor of leftist, how true can that be. It has been my suspicion for a long while and I generally now believe that the vision of a conservative America is nothing more than an oligarch's convenient lie; a byproduct of the US citizen's apathy and the ambitions of the wealthy. It is a rare day when Reagan is mentioned and even more uncommon is it when he's not being used as a negative reference; conservatives aren't popular in the zeitgeist while almost all national heroes—spare generals and their soldiers—are leftists or at the very least liberal. Now an old white man, derided by the same old conservative establishment voices, is seen to be credible by most. In my own experience: It hardly took any effort on my part to turn a mid-western libertarian and make him a liberal-sympathizer who makes Trump jokes with regularity. I didn't bury him in liberal media, I simply responded earnestly and made my case in short sweet bursts because if I am truly anywhere near correct a simple nudge should and does in my experience suffice.

You may find hillbillies waving their guns around as if its somehow a revolutionary act rather pathetic. You'll probably be disgusted by 'proud fat people.' You probably aren't a fan of laws that stop people from marrying or smoking whatever they want. You probably hate the pampered whiners demanding "safe spaces." The fact is, these two broad sides are sides for a reason. Sure both have a majority membership that is human, though I can't vouch for most conservatives in that department I can say at the very least that it isn't beyond reason to find agreement beyond one's 'side.' We're simply seeing the birth of a new center in a nation suffocated by warmongers and corporatism.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

Seriously? Here in Canada there's no real conservative party, they're all just different flavors of big-government liberal. And these "pampered whiners" are more than just an annoyance, they actually get people fired for having different opinions than them. The new progressive left is just as bad as the old moral-crusading right.

To get an idea of how Orwellian this is getting watch this: Youtube.com

This is just the tip of the iceberg. And for reference, I used to call myself liberal but while my social leanings have mostly remained the same I feel I have a greater understanding economics than I used to which is why I'm pro free market. It might seem counter-intuitive but big business is one of the greatest enemies of the free market, at the end of the day they WANT a government-enforced monopoly. The spirit of competition is one of the defining aspects of western economies, but it's being whittled away by government and big business alike.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston

Isn't it terrible how governments do things, or even exist. God damn, we really would have a wonderful world if it weren't for 'big guvment.' /EndSarcasm

SJWs abuse the trust of people who don't understand the threat they pose and enlist some who do understand their unique position. How a subversive group of pampered cowards, most of which at best are united by Tumblr, compares to dogmatic cultists with milenia of history who think gay buttsex is why hurricanes happen in my mind is absolutely ridiculous. Hell, if you want monopolies just burn down the government. Say hello to your new Dear Leader when he takes power for me, would you.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

I get the sense cognitive dissonance kept you from reading the second part of what I wrote. The spirit of competition is what drives free markets, so no I definitely do not want there to be any monopolies. Here in Canada for example our oil industry is practically completely owned by the government and man is it tanking at the moment. And yeah, University professors having their lives destroyed by mindless 'progressives' is pretty serious. If my views are wrong, I'll revise them, but being a douche isn't helping your case.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston

I'm not much a proponent of state monopolies, unless we're talking about day-to-day resources and services that everybody needs to live. Oil is about as far as I'm willing to condone state dominion over a market. If its mandatory to keep civilization running smoothly, be it power or healthcare, then what's terrible about a cheaper non-profit driven market? The average citizen just wants a service done, better to entrust a secular state than a greedy corporation with the singular goal of making more money than they did last year.

A couple people being ousted by crybabies simply does not compare to institutional child rape, xenophobia, and all other manner of conservative-inspired misery. Its certainly worth opposing but by no means worth the majority of one's effort.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

As history has repeatedly shown, when the state dominates a market it stagnates. Here in Canada we have 'free' healthcare, unfortunately it takes forever to see a doctor because everyone goes in for every little thing. My experience with doctors in Canada is like being on an assembly line, doctors don't care about their patients because you're not paying them directly and they know you don't have a choice. This is especially true with emergency care where you're not likely to visit the doctor more than once. From my short time in the US years ago, medical care was expensive but fast and the doctor actually seemed to give a **** because he knew I had a choice in hospitals. Government enforced monopolies are run by people just like regular businesses, the difference is they have no competition. Whether its the Federal Reserve, the FBI, NSA, CIA, BLM, whatever, people are capable of greed and corruption no different from any other organization and they will try to conceal their wrong doing. I draw the line at prison systems and law enforcement because privatization in those sectors creates far too much conflict of interest. I think the democrats are restricting business and growing the government in all the wrong places, and if Bernie Sanders is elected president you're going to regret it down the road. Canada's industry is in shambles, and it looks like the US is headed that way too.

I know right-wing nut jobs sound menacing and all, but I don't think they have nearly as much political power as these SJWs. Granted I'd rather have the socially far left in power than the far right, but this isn't 2002, the far left is the greater threat at this moment in time, in my opinion.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston

Well if we're going to trade anecdotal evidence, I can't exactly say I've met many overjoyed doctors. Perhaps only my current dentist seems to give a genuine **** and invest a moment of curiosity when it comes to his patients. Otherwise, medical personnel spend their time moving you from point A to B and at most feign professional concern. Hell, there's a woman who works for my physician that could believably off herself any day. If that's your standard, I can't imagine why paying for it is a boon. Plus it isn't exactly like you can just walk in and see a doctor whenever, usually it takes a couple weeks to get an appointment.

What, you think people are inherently greedy and will cut corners for the fun of it? Of course there are greedy bastards all over, a town representative who owns a rather large farm nearby got caught embezzling money and evading taxes. He's in jail, tada, problem solved.

What's so terrible about a bit of stagnation. An economy that grows rapidly upwards isn't worth much when it has no foundation to sit upon. Of course I appreciate science and advancement but I'm not so deluded to think all of mankind's problems are resolvable by a new innovative toothbrush.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

About healthcare, I was just giving my own take on it from my own perspective. However, wait times are typically longer than a couple of weeks here. Here's an article from 2013 to back me up: Ctvnews.ca

Those are the SHORTEST times by province. It's not that unusual to hear of someone dying of cancer because they went in to have it checked out and had to wait for months to get results and treatment. I'm convinced that public healthcare is inefficient and expensive to it's host country.

My point about corruption was simply that the government are no more resistant to it than any business. Either the NSA or CIA was caught performing industrial espionage on Germany a while back and selling the info they stole to American companies. Check it out: Windpowermonthly.com

This is your government being corrupt of it's own volition, they interacted with private companies of their own will. Even when they're caught they usually get away with it. The Oregon militia, morally grey as they might be, are protesting a legitimate issue. Your government is not following the constitution anymore and THEY'RE GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

And no, stagnation is never a good thing. It does not "build a foundation" for the economy, that's just silly. Do you know anything about economics? Prove me wrong.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that holy Prophet Anita Sarkeesian of the feminist order, has previously gotten audience with the UN to propose that women shouldn't have to prove rape accusations. Just in case you didn't believe me when I said the far left has a lot of political power.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston

What else can you expect from a corporatocracy, practically everything the US has done for decades has been in service of corporations. They don't call them banana republics for nothing. Whatever you're going on about with the holy constitution, I can't begin to guess. I can't seem to remember anything about letting ranchers mooch off the government and set federal land on fire in the US constitution.

If your grand vision of an economy is one which eternally races forward, dependent upon constant increase in profits, how you expect that to be sustainable is beyond me.

You still take the UN seriously? This is an organization with Saudi Arabia at the head of a human rights council. Whatever legitimacy they had, its gone. Although a notable threat, it seems to me you're just a member of a new reactionary group terrified of another which expended its limited capital only to meet surprisingly large amounts of grassroots opposition.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

Watch the video I posted, lighting grass on fire is hardly equivalent to arson of a federal building. Here it is again: Youtube.com

Seriously this might be the most important thing you watch all year.

Also those "environmental" regulatory commissions liberals love kind of give those corporations a pretty big advantage over the little guys. Especially when you consider that the people who make up a lot of regulatory bodies in the US are typically people who have ties in the industries they're supposed to be regulating. The conflict of interest is pretty clear and this has effectively created a government enforced monopoly in a lot of major industries.

My vision for the economy is one where we have no need for welfare because almost everyone is employed, and being paid based on their merit and worth to society. When I talk about stagnation, I don't mean technologically like you seem to think, I mean in terms of job creation and sustainability. I'm not an anarchist, I'm advocating for limited government to reduce corruption. You know, liberty?

And no I don't take the UN seriously, but quite a few people do. My concern is not unjustified, I think your fear of schizophrenic Christians is less justified.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

Moar SJW antics for you: Youtube.com

You don't have to be a libertarian to see how bad this is getting. This is even coming from a fiscal liberal so you won't have to experience too much cognitive dissonance.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

Anita Sarkeesian's guilty until proven innocent rape laws go through in the UK: Youtube.com

This ******** has been happening for years now. How can you be so apathetic about this? It seems like you're actively avoiding this kind of information.

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ComradeWinston Creator
ComradeWinston

You'll have to forgive me if I can't take someone seriously who is both evidently blind and finds a small & relatively new bunch of idiots exceedingly more threatening than a massive globally established system of conservative beliefs maintained by oligarchs and theology. From the Eastern Orthodox Church, to the Wahhabi cult of Saudi Arabia, and even as far as idiots who believe some crook who "found" golden tablets from God in upstate New York. Slander and exaggeration is one thing, systematic fictions accepted for thousands of years is another.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

I'm not religious and I'm not trying to defend religion. I don't know where you live exactly, but where I am SJWs are a much more pertinent threat. And frankly I think its the same for most of the western world.

Ever heard of psychological projection? That's where you blame somebody else for your own faults, It's a form of denial more commonly known as scapegoating. I've provided evidence of far left progressives influencing western politics, I think you're the one whose blinded to the present reality. If that's not the case show me some evidence of how religious nutters are currently running the show.

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xxT65xx
xxT65xx

And about the stand off in Oregon, its a lot more complicated than the medias making it sound. They're not just racist hillbillies. Please watch this: Youtube.com

Let me know what you think.

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With the advent of extreme Social Justice and AltRight politics there has been a complete polar shift, diametrically opposed groups find themselves pushed together by common enemies, or perhaps common ideals.

Are we entering a political age where the Left V Right politics of the 20th century are ending, and is becoming Authoritarian versus Libertarian? Are we entering a political renaissance or a dark age?

Please, tell me what you think, and debate nicely!

This debate subject was inspired by Nicholas Gorof: Youtube.com

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