WikiLeaks Thread

The official website:
Wikileaks.org

Edited by: feillyne

Ergh these threads are getting annoying man, its one thing to make a thread its another to make a poll that makes no sense....

You got a new page for conspiracies. Why don't you keep the dialogue just there, to those that are more receptive?

This is another thread - about WikiLeaks. Plus an example of how American soldiers mistake cameras for guns. ;-[ What's wrong with it? O.o

The 4th option was just a joke. = ] People joke about conspiracy theorists, but not about the government, especially the corrupt one. Why not joke about it? Don't I have right to do that?

the thing is, you make a thread for every thing you put in your blog, so they mean that you
a) just put it one your blog
b) just put everything in 1 single big conspiracy theory threadn NOT multiples
c) a & b

Show me, in which personal blog post did I include this?

Blog posts are here:
Moddb.com

Just show me. A news page is something different.

And this thread is mainly about Collateral Murder:

Edited by: feillyne

Feillyne wrote: Show me, in which personal blog post did I include this?

i just saw you made some blog posts about this so i assumed you made one for every topic you made :p
the point is, you could allso keep these things in a single thread

Edited by: Arxae

Why? It's about Collateral Damage and only WikiLeaks? O.o Would I have to discuss Moddb & IGN in a single thread? O.o So why I need to discuss 'conspiracy theories' and leaks of gov't documents in single thread? They are different topics.

because in the end they handle the same subject matter
following this train of toughts: yes you would discuss Moddb and IGN in a single thread because in the end they handle the same subject matter: Games

Yeah, but what if I wanted to discuss IGN and Moddb policies separately? O.o

And Wiki leaks aren't any 'conspiracy theories', Mr. Sigma. :-D They are factual facts. So they aren't the same category.

It's like you'd mistake RPGs (REAL RPGs, i.e. paper and pencil ones) with cRPGs and computer games.
They all are games, but they aren't alike. Anything but alike. They share only a common name: games. Children playing outside doesn't play the same kind of games you can play via a PC.

when you said real RPGs i thought you meant rocket propelled grenade launcher. lol

still, your making a topic about every single thing, can't you just keep it too one? :p
in fact, most people don't even care

I can see how they thought it was a rpg, they ran along the walls n kneeled down, the fact they kept on shooting was pretty messed up.

As for wikileaks i have enough shit to worry about than what the government wants or is doing to people, life is too short to worry about shit you can't control, it may seem defeatist or I'm part of the problem but we all deal with stuff differently.

The problem is they shouldn't even start shooting... also, shouldn't they keep in touch with journalists?

TKAzA wrote: As for wikileaks i have enough shit to worry about than what the government wants or is doing to people, life is too short to worry about shit you can't control, it may seem defeatist or I'm part of the problem but we all deal with stuff differently.

Yeah. It's the commonest argument, but I think it's the most reasonable one so far.

We could make gov't activities more transparent, or at least demand from them more transparency. Detailed public reports, for example. But then the issue of security, the real security, not some terrorist BS (propaganda), comes up.

To solve this problem you need to give gov't more power, e.g. more cameras everywhere... and it always can be abused one way or another.

Feillyne wrote: The problem is they shouldn't even start shooting... also, shouldn't they keep in touch with journalists?

Yep but im sure the saying, shoot first ask questions later came from somewhere...

Edited by: TKAzA

That video was edited to get the most political impact from the viewer, they do not mention the ak-47, and 2 RPG found in the initial group. Wikileaks is not straight unbiased facts. Why do you think they offer the edited version and the regular version? the one you linked here was the edited version.

Look here: (Ignore the first part about Colbert even thought he makes a great point about it being biased)
Mypetjawa.mu.nu

and this:
Collateralmurder.wordpress.com

Specifically this video showing things that Wikileaks left out:

War is not pretty.

Edited by: thebeerinator

Wow. O.o

But how come, 2 Reuters newsmen were with them?
Or did they simply vanish and their bodies weren't found? I know that some journalists are reckless or have some bravado to e.g. photograph Gypsies when they are stealing, or filming and talking to a Gypsy 'boss' (yeah, on BBC, claims to be the head of the family mostly occupying with petty kinds of thievery) and many more riskier things, but with insurgents?

Edited by: feillyne

Feillyne wrote: Wow. O.o

But how come, 2 Reuters newsmen were with them?
Or did they simply vanish and their bodies weren't found? I know that some journalists are reckless or have some bravado to e.g. photograph Gypsies when they are stealing, or filming and talking to a Gypsy 'boss' (yeah, on BBC, claims to be the head of the family mostly occupying with petty kinds of thievery) and many more riskier things, but with insurgents?

Could be just the fact that they are morons.

VagabondPraetor wrote:

Feillyne wrote: Wow. O.o

But how come, 2 Reuters newsmen were with them?
Or did they simply vanish and their bodies weren't found? I know that some journalists are reckless or have some bravado to e.g. photograph Gypsies when they are stealing, or filming and talking to a Gypsy 'boss' (yeah, on BBC, claims to be the head of the family mostly occupying with petty kinds of thievery) and many more riskier things, but with insurgents?

Could be just the fact that they are morons.

The guys with RPGs and AK's were running "security detail" for the reporters ...

In the end it just made them targets due to the suspicious activity and weapons in the group ...

To be honest I would of probably made the same call to shoot at them, There were alot of split second decisions made and they went through the proper procedure to request permission to open fire. The military didn't know there were reporters in the area, and the helicopter pilots saw a group of people walking around with AK's and RPGs?

You pretty much have to decide whether
a) you gun these people down that look suspicious carrying weapons or
b) let them go and hope to hell they don't kill someone on the ground ...

It just happened they were innocent ... but don't kid yourself, its a war ... made all the brutaler due to the guerilla tactics Al-Qaeda use ...

Assaultman67 wrote:

VagabondPraetor wrote:

Feillyne wrote: Wow. O.o

But how come, 2 Reuters newsmen were with them?
Or did they simply vanish and their bodies weren't found? I know that some journalists are reckless or have some bravado to e.g. photograph Gypsies when they are stealing, or filming and talking to a Gypsy 'boss' (yeah, on BBC, claims to be the head of the family mostly occupying with petty kinds of thievery) and many more riskier things, but with insurgents?

Could be just the fact that they are morons.

The guys with RPGs and AK's were running "security detail" for the reporters ...

In the end it just made them targets due to the suspicious activity and weapons in the group ...

To be honest I would of probably made the same call to shoot at them, There were alot of split second decisions made and they went through the proper procedure to request permission to open fire. The military didn't know there were reporters in the area, and the helicopter pilots saw a group of people walking around with AK's and RPGs?

You pretty much have to decide whether
a) you gun these people down that look suspicious carrying weapons or
b) let them go and hope to hell they don't kill someone on the ground ...

It just happened they were innocent ... but don't kid yourself, its a war ... made all the brutaler due to the guerilla tactics Al-Qaeda use ...

In addition it's 2007, not a happy year to be a soldier walking around in Iraq. Helicoptor pilots repeatedly asked for ground troops to investigate and it seemed like no one was nearby. They did what they had to.