2009 awards have begun! Thread

The awards have just kicked off, so we have reopened this forum so you can discuss this years competition and the eligible mods and indie games. Best of luck to all!

Edited by: INtense!

I should go crazy writing articles for the Indie side of things.

Though I'm honestly not sure what to write!

Anyways I'm eager to see who wins. That, and a lot of the best media gets flooded out this month. The more the merrier.

Yeah, and people should stop making news posts with titles like "vote for us". That's really totally out of the line.

Dragonlord wrote: Yeah, and people should stop making news posts with titles like "vote for us". That's really totally out of the line.

I agree. So many news posts have this tacked on their news posts as if we dont know which mod we are going to vote for.

I would be happy if Dangerous World would win , it is still a another language (my language ) but it has all that what a mod needs to get a GOLD MEDAL

Strange how mods that havent updated since last MOTY are now updating

MOTY has since quite some time turned into a PR-Drama. It should be correctly renamed into PROTY: PR Of The Year <.=.<

Agreed, almost every news update now involves MotY in some way. I just ignore it all and vote for whoever deserves it.

The promo video exaggerated the ongoing strength of the TS, POE2 and Insurgency communities.

MOTY 2003 - The Specialists (HL) - "Still has one of the strongest communities ever"
I see a measly 37 people playing it right now, the TS player base dwindled out years ago.
MOTY 2006 - Point of Existence 2 (BF2) - "One of the most played Battlefield 2 mods available"
The editors mustn't actually follow the BF2 mod scene else they'd know that mod has been dead for a long time.
MOTY 2007 - Insurgency (HL2) - "Getting more and more popular everyday"
It has sustained a player base, but It's nothing like it used to be.

Snazz wrote: The promo video exaggerated the ongoing strength of the TS, POE2 and Insurgency communities.

MOTY 2003 - The Specialists (HL) - "Still has one of the strongest communities ever"
I see a measly 37 people playing it right now, the TS player base dwindled out years ago.
MOTY 2006 - Point of Existence 2 (BF2) - "One of the most played Battlefield 2 mods available"
The editors mustn't actually follow the BF2 mod scene else they'd know that mod has been dead for a long time.
MOTY 2007 - Insurgency (HL2) - "Getting more and more popular everyday"
It has sustained a player base, but It's nothing like it used to be.

allow me to explaine, the specialists has a large number of roleplaying communitys out there that still play this game on a regular basis, point of existance is one of the most highly downloaded and played bf2 mods this has even been noted by ea, insurgency has been expanding into the tournament fields more and more oftern, its popularity is only a sign of the increase.

It sounds like you dont have much of an idea of what these community do and are.

Good luck to all for tommorows results. I do have a question, how do you see how many votes you've received, as a few people have mentioned that they've been getting several?

You usually can't see it, so they wouldn't really know.

Yeah, thought so. Cheers for clearing that up Ambershee.

Henley wrote: allow me to explaine, the specialists has a large number of roleplaying communitys out there that still play this game on a regular basis

When I posted earlier the mod had 33 players online, today it has 34. That is a tiny and weak online community as far as I'm concerned.

I've never seen anyone roleplay whilst I've played it either, IMO roleplaying characters in a fast paced corridor shooter like The Specialists makes no sense. Regardless of how people play the game, it has anything to do with statistics that show it's NOT a "strong community" anymore.

Henley wrote: point of existance is one of the most highly downloaded and played bf2 mods this has even been noted by ea

You obviously have no idea what BF2 mods are actually played currently, let alone in the last 3 years. When was the last time you played BF2?

It won the MOTY 3 years ago when it was being played, but like every BF2 mod except PR it's online playerbase has since died. FH2 was luckily revived by the update in September but 6 months ago it was just as unplayed as POE2.

POE2's development ceased in April. When I posted earlier there were 4 POE2 players online, today there are 13.
PR has 800 players right now and had 1200 when I made my earlier post, an entire year since the last map release. For measure the second most played BF2 mod, Forgotten Hope 2 currently has 133 players and it's last map release was only 3 months ago.

As for downloads, on MODDB POE2 has 16,484 downloads with 4 today. PR's has 59,274 downloads with 93 today. These are your own statistics you're overlooking.

Just like MOTY votes, the amount of downloads doesn't directly correlate to the actual playerbase either, Forgotten Hope 2 has 34,838 downloads with 38 today yet it's online community is only a small fraction of PR's.

It doesn't matter what EA said 3 years ago either, this is 2010, things have changed while you weren't paying attention.

Henley wrote: insurgency has been expanding into the tournament fields more and more oftern, its popularity is only a sign of the increase.

Expanding into tournament fields doesn't prove that the playerbase is still increasing. I played Insurgency a lot back in 2007 and there were well populated Australian servers, now they're empty.

I don't have stats to show the increase/decline of the player base over a long period, but neither do you. And you're making public the unsupported claim that it's increasing day by day.

Henley wrote: It sounds like you dont have much of an idea of what these community do and are.

I was involved in those communities, before they dwindled into insignificance.

You blatantly exaggerate about the current popularity of mods without checking the statistics, next time you do a summary of mods and comment on their popularity try to do some up to date research.

Game-monitor.com (TS Players)
Game-monitor.com (POE2 Players)
Game-monitor.com (Insurgency Players)
Moddb.com (POE2 Downloads)
Moddb.com (PR Downloads)
Moddb.com (FH2 Downloads)

Thought I'd also show you how non-existent the First Strike player base is despite it's MOTY votes:
Game-monitor.com

Edited by: Snazz

I still stand by my comments.

Henley wrote: I still stand by my comments.

So basically you'll continue to ignore reality and substitute your own.

It's a shame when so many people listen to you and trust that you know what you're talking about.

I wonder if you were this stubborn before you became media editor.

Edited by: Snazz

Snazz wrote:

Henley wrote: I still stand by my comments.

So basically you'll continue to ignore reality and substitute your own.

It's a shame when so many people listen to you and trust that you know what you're talking about.

I wonder if you were this stubborn before you became media editor.

Well these are my feelings on the communities that surround the mods, regardless of how you think I am not wrong about these things there are communities out there that are what I said, espically for The Specilists. I have not changed reality as you say, this is the truth about the communities they are still popular even after all these years of not being supported by the original developers, I can name more recent communities for more recent mods on better engines that did not even last a month after the release of the mod itself. Decadence being one of them. Sure the communities that surround them are not huge by AAA standards which is what I am going to assume you are talking about but the fact of the matter remains that these mods are still being played and are still being used by communities both on and offline.

My video was talking about the views I have on the communities of the mods and how they have been extreamly succesful, Oh and I'm not stubborn you just have a slanted way of looking at the players for mod communities.

So as I said, I will stand by my comments.

Also we really dont like it when you have duplicate accounts, please pick one of your accounts to use as I'll need to close the other one.

Henley wrote: Sure the communities that surround them are not huge by AAA standards

I'm comparing them to other mods. You seem to consider any mod that still has players as having a strong community. That is a very vague measurement and one that results in gross exaggeration.
What line do you draw between a strong and weak community if you don't factor in the player base statistics?

Henley wrote: My video was talking about the views I have on the communities of the mods

Without a disclaimer many would assume you're talking about facts.

Henley wrote: and how they have been extreamly succesful

No matter how prestigious the MOTY award may be and how many voted, there is more to consider when measuring success.
First Strike is a good example, I got that mod shortly after it was released and even by that stage there were hardly any players left. Yet due to the quality of the work it still earns a lot of recognition.

Henley wrote: Oh and I'm not stubborn

The way you initially responded, without making any case beyond "I still stand by my comments" was stubborn.

Henley wrote: you just have a slanted way of looking at the players for mod communities.

I look at online player number and download statistics. There's no way of knowing how many copies of the mod may have been distributed via LAN or who is still playing them offline.
The amount of regular visitors to a mod's forum is another measure, but whether many people still actually play a mod is only verified by current player numbers.
There might be available stats for Insurgency to tell if the player base has increased/declined, but neither of us have presented them so we both only have our views.
Regardless of how strong TS's offline 'roleplaying' community is believed to be, or whether Insurgency is getting more or less popular. You still claim POE2 is 'one of the most played and downloaded BF2 mods' regardless of the strong comparative evidence that contradicts it.The main thing that I am criticising is your outdated view of POE2.

Henley wrote: Also we really dont like it when you have duplicate accounts, please pick one of your accounts to use as I'll need to close the other one.

Close the other one.

Edited by: Snazz

Henley wrote: Also we really dont like it when you have duplicate accounts, please pick one of your accounts to use as I'll need to close the other one.

Owned. By the admin. :V

korge wrote: Owned. By the admin. :V

How so?
I don't use the other account so it's cool with me.

It is interesting it takes criticism of an editor before such a thing is noticed.

Edited by: Snazz

I believe Henley clearly stated that POE2 is "one of the most" downloaded and played BF2 mods, he never stated that it was in fact the most played. There is a distinct difference.

Anyway, I'm really eager to see the results of this years contest, the number of exceptional mods released this year is staggering, it was a good year indeed

Edited by: Tokoya

Snazz your being to much of a stat nazi and not looking at the whole point the video was made.

The video highlights past winners and past accomplishments, yes its 2010 but moty is yearly and a showcase of past moty's was a good way to bring in the 2009 moty.

The stats may be out, they may not be 100% the fact remains these mods/games won for good reason, your simply belittling the mods that have won in the past by coming in here calling foul on a video that's just to showcase past winners.

Thats not really the modding spirit nor the spirit of moty... so what are you trying to achieve here?

Tokoya wrote: I believe Henley clearly stated that POE2 is "one of the most" downloaded and played BF2 mods, he never stated that it was in fact the most played. There is a distinct difference.

Yes and I clearly disagree with exactly what he stated.

TKAzA wrote: The stats may be out, they may not be 100% the fact remains these mods/games won for good reason, your simply belittling the mods that have won in the past by coming in here calling foul on a video that's just to showcase past winners.

I know the mods won for good reason and I know the point of the video I never disputed that.

I'm not trying to belitte the mods, I never criticized the mods themselves. The stats are just reality.

TKAzA wrote: Thats not really the modding spirit nor the spirit of moty... so what are you trying to achieve here?

I have nothing against the spirit and so on. I call foul because Henley made vauge and exaggerated claims that suggest he doesn't actually research the current status of MOTY winners.

He has explained that his view is that INS and TS have strong communities in the context that they have sustained a playerbase (regardless of it's relative size to other mods), whilst others have completely died out. Which is fair enough, although I wish he'd be so clear in his videos.

However on the matter of POE2 I think he should admit that he didn't know what BF2 mods actually still maintain a significant player base or downloads.

Edited by: Snazz

Snazz wrote: He has explained that his view is that INS and TS have strong communities in the context that they have sustained a playerbase (regardless of it's relative size to other mods), whilst others have completely died out. Which is fair enough, although I wish he'd be so clear in his videos.

However on the matter of POE2 I think he should admit that he didn't know what BF2 mods actually still maintain a significant player base or downloads.

I will admit that your views on this topic are your views and you are entitled to them as am I to mine, you may disagree with me but in the end thats all we can do is just disagree with each other, agree to disagree. Unless you see any point to continuing this conversation lets move on then shall we?

And in the case of your dup account I have removed your old one, please do not make another one.

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