Comments - pinkmullet

AAH! I meant to plus one your comment not negative one your comment. I will now commit seppuku

After your first sentence I don't even really want to continue arguing with you. first you say "How financially successful a game is should not enter into the competition's judging if the award is unbiased" now your saying "I'm saying that it should be subtly weighted; that it must be biased out of necessity." those are two completely opposite opinions on the same subject.

I mean, if you can just start changing your opinion like that then whats the point?

listen man, I really want to copy paste parts of your argument and rebut them but I don't want to get into a ridiculous, stupid 3 page argument with you more so I'm going to stop right here. maybe we can end this on good terms by agreeing that posting 6 paragraph rebuttals for 10 pages is a universally stupid thing to do on the internet regardless of what your arguing.

"Awarding the 'best independently-made games' is completely different from awarding the 'best indie games'. How financially successful a game is should not enter into the competition's judging if the award is unbiased. In the same vein, I would not award the Customer Service Award to Microsoft every year simply because they service the most customers among software distributors -- I would favor the company that has the, bar-none, best customer service on a per-person basis."

What? who are you agreeing with here? I'm the one saying that financial success shouldn't come into play, he is saying that minecraft doesn't deserve to win because they already have millions of dollars. Also saying that "independently-made games" are different from "indie games" is like saying that "one plus one equals two" is different from "1+1=2" they are the exact same thing.

you seem to be suggesting that these games are not the best they are just popular, but they are popular BECAUSE they are the best. and even if that WASN'T the case, even if they were only popular because they are the most mainstream and accessible it's still better to help these people than some one else. Think of it this way, if you want to get somebody into gaming you don't put them in front of a computer and get them to play EVE online, that stuff is complicated. You give them a Wii and hope they work their way up to stuff with more depth. Or in this case you give them a accessible indie game and hope they make their way through to the more obscure stuff that they normally wouldn't be interested in.

I feel like theres a bit of indie douchebaggery going on here, the popular indie games suck now because they are popular only the games nobody knows about are worth mentioning.

Let me ask you this; if minecraft wasn't a success at all, if it made no money and just barely broke even and nobody had ever heard of it, but it's the exact same game, then would it be deserving of this prize?

ugh, you don't get it man, publishers give game companies millions of dollars to MAKE a game so that they can make millions of dollars in profit, minecraft had no financial backing, it didn't ALWAYS have nine million dollars. They started with nothing and worked their way up to huge success, most non-independent games start with millions. There is a huge difference between what minecraft did and what people with publisher backing does.

you don't actually know what indie means do you? the definition isn't blurred at all, you just don't know what it is. Indie games are video games developed by an independent video game company, an independent video game company is one with no financial backing by a publisher. ANY game produced by ANYONE that was published with no help from a publisher is independent.

Also, the reason for this website is to promote unknown independent games, the point of this COMPETITION is to show off the best that the website has to offer to give an example of what an independent developer is capable of. That, in turn, raises awareness and support of independent games in general, to NOT support these games in this way would be not only unfair, because they deserve the praise, but it would be doing a disservice to all independent games and their developers.

God damn it I'm good.

that seems pretty passive aggressive and elitist of you to say that people like me are "afraid" of learning a how to use a broken, ****** user interface. It's like saying "purified water is the best, I guess I can understand people who are too lazy to purify their water the right way and just use those water filters, but I have no problem boiling my water for 6 hours before I drink it!"

It doesn't matter whether or not you consider Minecraft indie, it is indie and that's all there is to it. it is a video game made by an independent video game developer, that makes it an indie game.

Besides, these games are all here for a reason, they are good. they are popular BECAUSE they are good. if you start ignoring the good indie games because they are too popular you defeat the purpose of having the contest in the first place.