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Iranian Nuclear Technology
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*Not to dismiss the repressive Islamic regime of Iran but the subject at hand here is nuclear technology being in Iran's possession, Israel's hypocrisy on the matter, as well as propoganda pushing for an invasion.
I support Iranian Nuclear development.
They are not some fanatic zealots as the western media clames them to be and that said as a sovereign nation they have every right to devolve their own Nuclear power plants.
As for the possibility of building Nuclear Weapons, well Israel seem to have lots of Nuclear power plants in their lands, did they build Nuclear Weapons? if they didn't why should Iran build them? And if they did, why shouldn't Iran devolve some of their own? It will bring some balance to the situation of Middle-east, with the possibility of a lot less conflicts.
I don't support the development of any nuclear weapons. Nothing good could come of them. Why are humans so damn stupid? Nuclear power is one thing and weapons are another.
Personally I think alternative energy methods need to be used or developed and nuclear weapons (no matter what country builds them) need to be banned.
I support most country's having Nuclear weapons, because in my opinion the U.S has far to many and are always telling other country's to deweponise while they build more and more. And in terms on Nuclear energy, the oil is running out. That is simple fact, we need to look to other alternative and nuclear power is one of the best.
However the middle-east is very volatile, the introduction of nuclear weapons to this area could have horrific repercussions. It could also do absolutely nothing.
What irritates me the most its Americas hypocrisy "No one should have nukes. Except us... and some of our ally’s" This video covers that quite well. However nuclear warfare will bring about the end of humanity, if not I am horrified to think what the super next weapon will be.
Also the war in Afghanistan and Iraq is outargues but that is a different argument .
Out of interest who made this video. And america did want to wipe out Russia, it all came bloody close with the Cuban crisis.
I don't hate jews, but considering they took a land belonged to muslims and with american support hold that land - I can't like Israel as country. They hate each other with neighbors and only thing that made them survive was american help. Now they are only one with nuke in the sector, no wonder their neighbors want nukes too.
They say Iran can't be trusted, that makes a perfect reason to believe Iran should have those weapons.
see the danger of it is not really Iran (i don't think there dumb enough to use them first). its Israel, Israel has shown that they are perfectly willing to kill iranians or anybody else who threatens there domiance in the region, this is were iran is being stuipid. Israel want a reason to destroy Iran, so far they can't find a good enough reason but if iran keeps working on nukes they will use that and then no more iran.
I think iran is betting on that the world doesnt want israel to attack them, they are hoping that israel will listen to others (which has never happened).
The bottom line is if iran keeps working on nukes there will most likely be war, and they wont be the aggressors, and they will most likely not win.
It belonged to Israel long before Arabs lived there and those Arabs had no business there when they have their own lands already. They just want control of ALL of the land and to wipe the Hebrews out.
Religious Aspect:
Oh come one, anyone with a decent knowledge of the Bible will know that God did not just promise Israel to the Jews---He promised it to the "sons of Abraham", which also means the Arabs. God is not one to play favorites, and if you don't believe me, go read the Book of James.
Political Aspect:
Generally, if someone hasn't lived in a certain area for almost 2000 years, it can't be considered their land anymore. What's even crazier is that people try to use some misunderstood Bible passages to prove their right to rule! If the Israeli government truly cared about the rights of the Palestinians, maybe they wouldn't have blockaded the Gaza Strip and began shelling innocent civilians.
"They just want control of ALL of the land and to wipe the Hebrews out."
Says the one who's obviously never studied anything about the Beirut Massacre, or the Lebanon Invasion, or the Gaza Strip, or the lives of any of the people who survived these atrocities.
I already know about those things. God gave that land specifically to the Hebrews. When Ishmael left God said specifically what was his and that he and his brother would be at odds with each other forever. I don't give a darn about the political aspect. Politics does not override what God said and He said that they would return and that He would bless them and defend them and defeat all of Israel's enemies. It is also written that not everyone in the land of Israel is OF Israel. But, for the sake of those that are, we are obligated and required unconditionally to support God's specifically chosen people.
ps. Israel has the right to defend itself and they DO NOT attack unprovoked nor do they attack innocents if it can be avoided. They attack those behind terrorism. Its not Israel's fault that these radicals snatch civies off the streets and use them as human shields. You have to look at both sides and not just the radical propaganda that spills out of Gaza to understand the truth.
"When Ishmael left God said specifically what was his and that he and his brother would be at odds with each other forever."
First of all, God never said that he was proud of it, or that he fully supported one side. Just because he said that "there will be conflict" doesn't mean that he supports the conflict!
"Israel has the right to defend itself and they DO NOT attack unprovoked nor do they attack innocents if it can be avoided."
Of course, you'd have to conveniently ignore the countless cases where the Israeli military forcibly evicted the Palestinians out of their homes before you can say that they "do not attack unprovoked". There is none as blind as the one who refuses to see, and sad to say, you're refusing to acknowledge the fact that the modern Israeli government was founded in the blood of innocent civilians.
"You have to look at both sides and not just the radical propaganda that spills out of Gaza to understand the truth."
Oh, you're telling me about propaganda? The Israeli government has had the support of the media for decades, and now that they don't, they're beginning to complain. Before you start preaching to us about the how the Palestinians have dominated the media, go ahead and ask yourself a couple of questions:
How many Palestinian civilians have died at the hands of the Israeli military?
How many Israeli civilians have died at the hands of Palestinian fundamentalists?
How much land do the Palestinians own?
How much land do the Israelis own?
Overall, which side has had the disadvantage in numbers, equipment, and rights?
P.S: If you want to continue this debate, I suggest we just PM each other. People here probably don't want to hear us discuss scripture and politics.
You ignored 99% of what I said. Read it again. I'm not repeating myself. This isn't just for you and I. This is for everyone that is against Israel.
"You ignored 99% of what I said."
Actually, I answered every one of those questions. As you said yourself, politics does not override what God said, and God said specifically that both sides would get the land.
I often hear people quote this verse to support their argument:
"But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year."
If you look at all that word's usages the Bible, you'll see that "covenant" refers to something temporary. Why would God give them early protection? Because Jesus would be born in Isaac's blood line. If they kept his commandments, and didn't turn to idolatry, then it would have kept going. But, they directly disobeyed and killed God's prophets numerous times, which is God doesn't support their actions now. They didn't keep their side of the bargain, simple as that!
Also, you should know that I'm not against Jews. I just really hate it when people try to use the Bible to justify bad treatment of people. You know what my main problem with people who take the Bible literally is? They don't take it literally enough. To understand what they're saying, you not only have to read it; you have to be able to take it into context. You have to understand the background from which the author wrote.
Finally, if we're going to do a lot of debating about religion, I don't think this is the place for it. We should either take this to a more appropriate group, or resort to PMing.
how can Iran do a thing?
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and is it really literal Israel that gets attacked?
well see i agree with yuri, the Israelies claim God gave them that land thousands of years ago. The Native americans also claim that they were give north america thousands of years ago.
sooo its only fair that if Israel gets the land that they lost, my anscestors should get back the land the evil land grabbing europeans stole.
and to make it fair just has has been don in israel, any european americans who wish to stay in America can now no longer have rights, we can kick you out and take your property anytime we like AND to make it even better if you conplain or defend yourselves your terrorists.
I really think this is a really fair and honest deal don't you guys agree?
It's our fault (the western world). We never took anyone seriously until they developed nukes. Look how we treated Pakistan before and after they acquired nuclear weapons. If Iran is developing nukes, they aren't making them to cheese Israel, they want them because everyone else has them, and they want to be treated with more respect from the international community. Iran isn't completely unreasonable, they are becoming increasingly progressive- however, this is no reason to let down our guard. We need to put a lot more research into some counter measures for nuclear weapons.
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I agree completely jaing.
If i had remeber were i saw that pic I would have posted it.
thank you