The Bible Code Thread

Another thing thats intrested me and i guess alot more people recently due to the books by dan brown about these "hidden codes". I dont mean for this to turn into a religious bashing match but good luck rite =\. So while watching a doco about the bible code the idea is every space inbetween a word is removed and then a program will search for words or phreases out of this jumble of letters.

Now sure some words would be hard to come by in this way but in other cases it seems stupid for instance people mite get excited when the letters spell out "the prophet" well thats all through the bible so no biggy really =\. Then they mite search for a name and a letter will apear every 5th line in a diagonal line, now granted its i guess unlikely this would normally occur considering the size of the bible "koran" whichever you wish to use wouldnt you expect it to happen more than once.

I dunno maybe someone can elighted me on just how people can follow and believe in a code which could probable to created using harry potter or lord of the rings book.

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I also saw this documentary and well i guess people need proof and this is good as any. Although the fact that you can do it in just about any book really makes you wonder why you would believe in it. However for the die hard believer that does not use common sense or listen to reason, this is proof enough.

Creating hidden messages through combinations of words isn't difficult with a widely varied language structure, but this is especially loose here considering the fact that even the King James version isn't the original creation. As well, it is known that the current Bible used most was due to dimension constraints in the original printing presses, if they are considering diagonals on this, there is another error.

Granted one can say that it would be some higher being's ability to hide messages that would be found only through our necessary alterations, but, as I said with our language this can essentially be done in nearly any form for any book. This is because the way the language is formed using a variety of language bases, using a strong base of pure latin, elongated words of french, thrown in with heavy germanic influence, as well as words, especially nouns, formed with "anglo-saxon" and the marriage of languages there. What you end with is a language that has no direct emphasis to lettering and has little actual word variance but a mass of synonyms.

Isn't this what Nostradamus used?

I've read both books, and although they are interesting the books have been widely discredited. The author has published papers in respected maths journals saying the bible is the only hebrew text that the letter sequences have appeared. Apparently he tried 30 similar hebrew texts - including the translation of War and Peace, so hats off for volume testing! - and the Bible was the only source that gave letter sequences. However one of the issues is that written Hebrew (apparently) has no vowels, so it is easier to find words in it.

The bible (im my personal opinion, i dont want to offend anyone) is a load of bull, it contradicts itself at every turn, and, its not a very interesting read I beleive these "messages" areinteresting, i dont think they have any conscious meaning. we only use a certain percent of our brain, and i beleive whoever wrote the bible was unconsciously predicting the future in his writings, i also beleive that every human does this in some form, i often read out the lottery numbers as they are coming on the TV, but cant remember anything before that, and im always dreaming a day, then months later it happens, or a "scene" happens word for word, and it scares the shit out of me.

This isn't a discussion about the validity of the Bible. It's about the discovery of these supposed messages hidden within the texts. And I personally think it's crap. In a tome as large as the Bible, with millions of words and trillions of combinations of spaces and characters, you are bound to find patterns. It's inevitable. The Bible is not a code book for history or some mystical prophetic secret message. It's a story for religious types.

I find the bible very interesting, it gives us many moral lessons, which is made especially for the people out there who dont follow any.

and that bible code is bull

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this is really odd i wish i would come in here more ofen sorry im getting off topic, but anyways im catholic and i think there might be some sort of hidden "code" for lack of a better word in the Bible but im really n ot sure i mean he left us so many secrets answers in there it is hard to tell!

Diablobasher wrote: The bible (im my personal opinion, i dont want to offend anyone) is a load of bull, it contradicts itself at every turn, and, its not a very interesting read I beleive these "messages" areinteresting, i dont think they have any conscious meaning. we only use a certain percent of our brain, and i beleive whoever wrote the bible was unconsciously predicting the future in his writings, i also beleive that every human does this in some form, i often read out the lottery numbers as they are coming on the TV, but cant remember anything before that, and im always dreaming a day, then months later it happens, or a "scene" happens word for word, and it scares the shit out of me.

I think you are a load of bull. Also, if you're predictin the future, especially unconsciously, then it should be obvious that somehow you are getting this information to you. Now I'm not saying that God is sending this to you or anything like that, but you're getting it from somewhere. That is, of course, if anything you say has any validatiy and truth to it.

Who's to say what you speak has validity more than Diablobasher? Neither of you are any good at arguing religious points.

This topic needs to clean up.

There is hidden code in the bible, you can actually view it online (google.com).

Dan Brown is a great author, I recommend the following books to anyone here who is open-minded; Angels & Demons (one of my favorites) & The DaVinci Code.

Regards,

black!dot

Diablobasher wrote: i often read out the lottery numbers as they are coming on the TV, but cant remember anything before that, and im always dreaming a day, then months later it happens, or a "scene" happens word for word, and it scares the shit out of me.

If you don't know youv'e done it until it "happens" then it's hardly prediciting is it.. What you experience is called "de ja vu", you can be SURE what's happening you experienced/dreamed before, even if you tell yourself facts that you CAN'T have known before.. but de ja vu is just the brain fucking up, you didn't REALLY dream it before, that's why you didn't know about your "prediction" til it happened for real. You can only experience the present, somehow sometimes the brain can be convinced that what is being experienced is smoewhere in memory, it's just loose neurons or whatever tho.

ror wrote:

Diablobasher wrote: i often read out the lottery numbers as they are coming on the TV, but cant remember anything before that, and im always dreaming a day, then months later it happens, or a "scene" happens word for word, and it scares the shit out of me.

If you don't know youv'e done it until it "happens" then it's hardly prediciting is it.. What you experience is called "de ja vu", you can be SURE what's happening you experienced/dreamed before, even if you tell yourself facts that you CAN'T have known before.. but de ja vu is just the brain fucking up, you didn't REALLY dream it before, that's why you didn't know about your "prediction" til it happened for real. You can only experience the present, somehow sometimes the brain can be convinced that what is being experienced is smoewhere in memory, it's just loose neurons or whatever tho.

interesting. a couple of years ago i had deja vu almost everyday. then again i didnt sleep a lot. any interesting links backing that up?

(sorry to get off topic but secret bible messages? leave the secrets on the back of my lucky charms cereal box thanks)

declinsion wrote:

Diablobasher wrote: The bible (im my personal opinion, i dont want to offend anyone) is a load of bull, it contradicts itself at every turn, and, its not a very interesting read I beleive these "messages" areinteresting, i dont think they have any conscious meaning. we only use a certain percent of our brain, and i beleive whoever wrote the bible was unconsciously predicting the future in his writings, i also beleive that every human does this in some form, i often read out the lottery numbers as they are coming on the TV, but cant remember anything before that, and im always dreaming a day, then months later it happens, or a "scene" happens word for word, and it scares the shit out of me.

I think you are a load of bull. Also, if you're predictin the future, especially unconsciously, then it should be obvious that somehow you are getting this information to you. Now I'm not saying that God is sending this to you or anything like that, but you're getting it from somewhere. That is, of course, if anything you say has any validatiy and truth to it.

thank you declision i wanted to say that but didn't feel like ticking any 1 off.

Apparently deja vu is caused by scenes in real life not being intepereted properly by the brain, ie. the brain fails to work properly, and as a result it is forced to reinteperet the scene again. But because it is already stored in your short term memory from when it attempted, and failed, to inteperet it the first time, you experience a feeling of familiarity. That's what I read in a Psych text book anyway.

I'll examine my Psych text book for that if you people want me too.

Dan Brown is one of the worst authors I have ever had the misfortune of reading. He writes like a six year old who found his Mum's prozac. While some of the ideas in the Da Vinci Code are interesting, such as the theories about Jesus and Mary Magdelene, they are not theories invented by Brown. Check out this page for a far more interesting (and far better written) exploration of the Magdelene's role in the Bible Ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com.

As I said, Dan Brown is a terrible author. Whether or not you believe the theories in his books have any validity (I doubt most of them do), he certainly has no talent as a novel writer. I can only believe that he must have sold his soul to the Devil to get the sales he has. It's not due to any ability on his part.

Thats true but holds almost no relevenace to the damn topic =\ he wrote a book on it thats good but your thoughts on the actual bible code are?

what do yuo mean the *actual* code, there are hundreds/thousands of bible codes, you can get it to say anything you want with manipulation/loose "interpretation" of the results..

My post was reply to black!dot really, who claimed Dan Brown is a great author. I couldn't let that pass.

And no, there is no Bible code. It's all nonsense. The Bible was written by hundreds of different people in several different languages. Any code there is is the addition of man, not God, like the coded apearance of Shakespeare's name in one of the Pslams. It was placed there by a translator for the King James Bible, as a joke.

You can find codes in as much as about anything if you want to. The book by Dan Brows was still good, even though some things seemed a little far fetched. But it's a novel, not fact.

Yes well, it merely shows the stupidity of people who tend to follow this as fact and reason rather than guessing of ideas to create fiction, then again, they pulled off a bigger stunt some 1750 years ago (talking about the Bible, it is a jab at Christianity).

Which reminds me from a scene in family guy :

Brian "Face it Peter your a terrible liar", and we all know what followed.