This is an overhaul modding project of the mod 'The Last Days of the Third Age' (TLD) for the game M&B Warband. We aim for overhauling TLD mainly visually, replacing armouries to look similar to the ones known from the films.
Thanks to our scener guy: Misizi
Credits: The Veiled Stars - Lord of the Rings
And what abouts dwarves and Dale?
It's not my or Sons_Of_Durin's work. We're hiring guys to help us. And it's they who did this.
Awesome! The place looks a little empty though I rekon, needs more stuff in it maybe some more buildings, tents or some dead trees, that said I know the movie version was pretty sparse so maybe not? idk
Well the 10,000 Uruk-hais made this look more full. So...it's normal that when the whole army is out that Isengard looks empty.
I really don't know how could Saruman sleep with all the noise of the machines and of 10,000 uruk-hais shouting,screaming,walking
"I really don't know how could Saruman sleep with all the noise of the machines and of 10,000 uruk-hais shouting,screaming,walking"
^^^
Now this is an interesting shower thought!
ehehehe. Also, why didn't the Men of Dunland weren't afraid of the Uruk-hais and orcs, because they only wanted to reclaim Rohan, they didn't worship Melkor. Also, in a party of Uruk-hais with men, would the Uruk-hais eat some of the men?
I believe that the wild men of Dunland were that wild that they were not afraid, maybe at some point Saruman intimidated them to serve him with the Uruk-Hai or tricked their leadership into submission. I don't think the uruks would eat them though.
About the wild part i disagree. I think Saruman tricked them. Because in the book of The Two Towers, after the battle of Helms Deep, the Dunland men that survived were expecting a horrible death, but the Rohirrim only told them to clean the battlefield, bury the dead, stuff like that and they did not kill them (and eventually they released them). So i think they were well played. Maybe Saruman was already acting in a way that some generations of Dunland hated even more the House of Eorl
Yeah, I said: "maybe at some point Saruman intimidated them to serve him with the Uruk-Hai or tricked their leadership into submission", so we are both saying the same thing in different ways. Pretty interesting things to discuss though, since Tolkien did not specify everything, but we can use other hints to kind of presume the most correct answer.
i understood that you said that, i was reinforcing it xD
But yes, there are some stuff that leaves a little bit to fans' imagination . For example, how orcs reproduce and were they formed. Tolkien admitted that there were female orcs. But there ar a lot of theories on the origins of orcs. Peter Jackson used the theory that orcs were elfs that were tortured and mutilated. And trolls and wargs? Also uruks and uruk-hais, yes uruk-hais are a mix of orcs and goblins(that are a sub-race of orcs) or something like that but how are they formed? magic? some weird sexual reprodution between races?
Yeah there are some holes that everyone fills on their own, but I think it is explained in the Silmarillion that Orcs are indeed tortured Elves who Melkor captured, but I think nothing is mentioned about their reproduction, or about how the Uruks and Goblins multiply. That's where imagination comes into play I guess.
indeed it is. So tell me...what do you think that happened after the departure of Frodo and Gandalf? Generally to Middle-Earth and the fate of the races/kingdoms? I know that Aragorn rebuilted Arnor but it was all one kingdom (Gondor and Arnor) and that he sieged Minas Morgul. I know the dwarves may got extinct in the fourth age or at least to a number that didn't reach 1000. Dark elves were still wandering around
I guess that since the fourth age was dominated by men, the conflicts with the eastern kingdoms must have continued. Indeed Harad, Khand, and Rhun no longer answered to Sauron, but I am sure that there must have still been conflict with them and Gondor. I believe that if there was conflict, it must have been outside of Gondor and Rohan, and in foreign territories, while in their own kingdoms, the kings must have worked on upgrades in different fields: arts, infrastructure, monuments, navy, military, etc. Lots of explorations must have taken place as well, and they must have found plenty of abandoned Elven and Dwarven fortresses. What do you think?
Well, about the Eastern kingdoms...i believe that, with the fall of Sauron, civil wars started in the kingdoms to the East. Because many were forced to join Sauron, i bet for sure that not all population was a Sauron supporter, so they started to rebel against their lords who were still loyal to the Dark Lord. it's most likely that the Numenoran Kingdom (Gondor and Arnor) and Rohan fought a bit but against the orcs left in Eriador, Rhovanion, Misty Mountains so as the Dwarves and Elves(the ones who still remained). And the Free-Peoples were secure. After some time, when the Numenorean Kingdom had time to heal, it is possible they marched East to secure peace and help the rebels to fight the Evil Men. Numenor (in the second age) had colonies to the East, it is possible that the New Kingdom tried to stabilish some new citieso ur rebuilted the old colonies, or just simply (after the rebellions ended with the victory by the Rebels) they made peace with the Eastern kingdoms and even maybe became allies. But at least some old colonies they must have rebuilted/reconquered, like Umbar (more to the south than East but still to the East)
Yeah, I do see your point, and it is a very possible scenario. I agree that the Numenorian Kingdoms must have been the fourth age's dominant forces, and they must have colonised and hit a golden age for sure. It must be very interesting to think the situation of the Dark Lord's worshipers. Kind of like a purge against them, as they now become the ones to be on the pursuit, and the defence, while no longer being the dominant force in Middle Earth. Civil War is a very realistic scenario for them as well, as even on the evil races, not all approved of the Dark Lord, but obeyed because of fear.
Who let you see from my point of view? It's things like that that will kill you in front of the gates of Erebor... :P xD
But good thing you agree :) Yes, they would be the dominant kingdom and would reach a golden age but i do not think it will be like in the past. I think they would colonize more the old settlements they had or empty places, and peace would be their main priority
What a pity that dwarves would be almost wiped out at this point, but it would be an interesting time period to invest on games and maybe even the Amazon TV Show!
"I should call that a heavy loss, if it was not a wonder rather that in his great age he could still wield his axe as mightily as they say he did, standing over the body of King Brand before the gate of Erebor, until the darkness fell." :)
It is true! in fact, i think there should be a good tv-show about the Dwarves, other about the Dunedain and other about Elves maybe. Then they would merge the 3 series into one called "The War in the North", but there are so many wars they could put in a show, Numenoreans have a lot. They should make when Sauron occupied Eregion and Numenor came to the recue of the elves and defeated Sauon forces. One other thing i would like to see is a TV-show about Balin's expedition to Moria, everything that happened (it would be so cool)! but all these should be made more the way the Lord of the Rings triology was made, less CGI and more costumes for orcs and Uruks. Almost no CGI would be great
Yeah, I totally agree, it is the perfect opportunity to cover so many different cultures and events that have barely been touched, if not at all. I would love to see more of the dwarves, so Balin's expedition would be just amazing! The Battle of Dale and Erebor would be phenomenal, or even the battles that were fought during the Last Alliance.
If they were to cover battles from the Silmarillion though, which has the largest battles out of all, it would require a lot of CGI because of the size of the armies and all the creatures involved.
battle of Erebor and Dale would be good for like 2 movies each with 3 hours xD Mordor attacked with a massive force with Easterlings too. The battle took some time. The Last Alliance would be cool to show again and they could include the dwarves because 3000 something dwarves helped also. Yeah, you are right. But there is one thing i would like to see. Shire going to war! And maybe they helping the kingdom of Arnor? And i would like to see a TV show abouth the downfall of Arnor and the Palantiri and how the Arnor kingdom passed to be the Dunedain Rangers. Maybe even a tv-show about the big battles of the Dunedain Rangers in Eriador (and not only Eriador)
Yeah totally, it is a completely untouched kingdom in the movies, we only get to see it in mods and games which is a shame actually. Would definitely make for a high quality TV Show though. :)
Play the Fourth Age Mod for Rome Total War, it predicts things really well.
Awesome. I might try it then :)
hopefully we'll see the new warg models planned soon?
yeah hopefully
Очень круто, всегда считал что изенгардскую башню в TLD необходимо заменить)
Вот мы и решили заменить)
what did you say?