Starting in 1519, India is Fractured into Several Hindu and Muslim Ruled Empires. Babur the Timurid begins his invasion from Afghanistan. The Portuguese, the first European traders to establish trade colonies in India, have begun their wars against the Muslims. Gunpowder is relatively new and having a strong effect on the peasant and elephant armies traditional to medieval India. =Simpler Submods for a 1725AD and 327BC start date are also in progress. HELP WANTED: historical research/editing models and textures/scripting help/and making custom battle maps and building models

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65. Any Idea for the Berar or Kozhikode Flags?

66. I need to remove Nagpur from the map because it wasn't founded till 1702, are there any other cities or forts in the area I could add instead

*25. There's a lot of lagging when you start a ship battle, anyone know a fix without lowering movement range a lot?

64. Can the ground types and river crossings be added removed via scripting? I want to show some deforestation and river flooding





(ANSWERED already but if you have more input please share)

1.Any Mounted Habshi or African Mercenaries? or were they mostly infantry?

2.Did the Mewar/Marwar Rajput recruit many Baluchi or Pashtun mercenaries?

3.What about long axes/halberds used by non-europeans? were the Tabar or Parashu prevalent at all in the 16th century?

4.Were all indian/afghan shields round? I think I've just seen one image of a square shield being used

5.Should every faction have access to the chainmail wearing Talwarbaz unit or just Gujarat?

6.Should Arab/African/Afghan/South East Asian Muslim mercenaries be a lot more expensive or rare for non-Muslim factions to recruit or did they not mind too much who they fought for? Same with european mercs, should they be cheaper/more common to Hindu factions over Muslim factions?

7. I've found a single reference to Swiss archers being used by Albuquerque, not sure if it was referring to crossbows though. Were there any European Non-Crossbow Archers in India?

8.Right now on the campaign map the jagdalpur and raijpur regions are too large, I'd like to split both of them in half vertically, what 2 regions should I add? or forts?

9.Are charges too strong currently?

10.What were the main ethnic groups in Thatta/Sindh/Multan/Jaisalmer/Bikaner?

11.In the Portuguese Codex it shows nayars/sinhaleese as being almost black and the orrisans/badaga in south india/bengals/gujarats/etc as being almost white. Were the native darker skin races found primarily in the malabar and ceylon at the time with the rest of India being light skinned?

12. Were Jat or Purbiya used by Gujarat/Ahmednagar at all?

13. Should Koli Cavalry be added? I read a mention that Ahmednagar or Gujarat used them, should Malwa/Khandesh also have access to them? Anyone else?

14.Were Maratha cavalry used by Gujarat/Golconda/Bidar/Khandesh/Berar/or Malwa?

15. Do all deccani use habshi? what about Malwa or Khandesh?

16. Did Orrisa recruit many mercenaries?

17. Iv'e read about the Arrakan using a Ronin samurai bodyguard, I was going to include a heavier cavalry unit and a lighter spear infantry unit, were there any other Japanese or mercenaries outside of Ayutthaya Kingdom and Arrakan?

18. What about Chinese mercenaries?

19. I need help finding ruler pictures for the following rulers in 1519, Arrakan, Orrisa, Garha, Marwar, Bengali, Berar, Ahmednagar, Gujarat, Malwa, or suitable alternatives

21. When should generic indian units end on the map? should gujarat and mewar get access to all of them? should marwar have generic Indian cavalry and swordsmen?

22.I need to make generic levy and light cavalry/infantry units for the pakistan area (gujarat-sindh-punjab) so I don't have to make them for each individual group (Khokar/Gokhar/Sindh/Jat etc) -What should I call them?

23. Range difference for indian longbow vs turkish style (recurve composite) bows used by infantry vs turkish style bow used by cavalry? Also reload speed differences for each? Also were any horse archers using indian style bows?

*24. Any Music suggestions

***26. I played a game as the Mughals and a few turns in Babur was killed when a settlement he was occupying rebelled, Is there anyway to prevent rebellions from killing named characters?

20. Did Thazata and Minkhaung of Mrauk-U really not have any children? They both lived to be in their 50's, but since Minkhaung was killed by Min-Bin I wondered if records of his children were destroyed so Min-Bin didn't look like a savage for killing his kids, but I guess for now I'll give both of them the infertile trait

30. Who all recruited Ahir? Any record of Gujarat/Malwa or the Deccani sultans recruiting them?

31. Any way to make elephants able to attack small gates like they did in RTW? I've tried changing their tag to artillery since that would also make them move slower than cavalry on the campaign map, but it's causing a crash, I guess because artillery isn't supposed to have 'mounts'

32. Are there any 'extra' units, that are non-historical or repetitive, I should get rid of to make the rosters simpler? And are there any groups-tribes/castes/unit types that played a large role as soldiers that I'm missing?

33. Does the map seem incomplete by not including any important factions? There is a gap in eastern india that could be filled by Haihaiyavansi or a Gond kingdom/Shri lanka also doesnt have any native factions.


*34. What would the Kingdom of Mrauk U be called in their native language? Rakhaingpyi? Mrohaung?

38. The main mod 1519 still needs quite a bit of work with custom models/balancing of units/historical names and family trees/supply system scripting/historical events/map terrain/settlement development. What do you think should be the first things to work on?

37. I'm making a small submod starting around 1500AD, the map will cover the western half of india all the way to the red sea. Any ideas for a basic roster for Kingdom or Ormus/Tahirids/Imamate of Oman?

40. Right now the only javelin users I have are light infantry and light cavalry, should any medium or heavy armor users have javelins? Should all javelin users be primarily skirmishers or should some just have one javelin that they throw while charging

27. What were Akbar's 15 grade of musketeers? I haven't been able to find names, assuming at the bottom we have the lowest grade musketmen and the highest would be the Shah-Ala Regiment, which others should be included?

28. Did the Maratha employ Habshi slaves or African Mercenaries?

29. How should the Berar roster compare to their deccani nieghbors? should it just be like the golconda roster but with more gond units?

31. When you have a moment please have a look at the rosters for the Mughals in the 1725 article and the 1519 article and tell me what you think, for a lot units I'm unsure if they should be included in both mods-I've marked them with ?'s

35. Would the Tranvacore army differ any from the Zamourin's?

36. Some factions will have two or more 'sets' of names, for Hindu/Muslim/European Officers in the same faction, is there a way so the names stay matched up? I dont want new characters to have european first names and muslim last names

39. Please post any good quotes you come across from any of the time periods, (400-100 BC) (1500-1850), or anything from ancient Indian texts

41. I've seen paintings of soldiers at a Mughal parade and a Mysore surrender with pikes and I've read references to Afghan pikemen in the 1700s, but I've also read that a lot of the pikes seen in paintings were ornamental. Should i include any noneuropean pikemen, with phalanx removed of course?

42. On Africans, the Portuguese mostly imported Bantu? so they get a forest bonus, while the Ethiopian Traders get a desert bonus. However I've read conflicting things on Habshi, either that most of them are from Ethiopia or that the Ethiopian traders mostly imported Bantu peoples to be used as Habshi, do you know which was more common?

43. I've read that Mysore imported quite a bit of camels, so should camels be available for importing at any large port?

44. For some reason the mine building is buildable in all regions even without mineable resources, how to fix? FIXED

45. What kind of cavalry units should the Garha Kingdom have?

46. Recruitment is messed up, the building text file is correct but I just checked the campaign, many units are not available for Delhi, Vijayanagara has many non-local units even though those units have hidden resource requirements in the building text, Malwa looks fine, I haven't checked any other factions or had this error before. Any ideas for a fix? {FIXED by deleting map.rwm file}

47. What regions wouldn't have any elephants available at all? I know they were more common in Eastern India but I've also seen a painting of an elephant hunt in Bikaner

61. Need to make unit's more unique, would any of these groups have an affinity for any color(s)?
Afghans/Ahir/Arab/Arrakan/Baluchi/Berad/Burmese/Elite Indian Units/Gujjars/Habshi/Hindu/Jat/Koli/Konkans/Muslims/Orrisan/Persian/Rumeli Turks/Santhal/Sindh/Tartar Turks/Teluga

60. Any Idea for Starting Dates for Berad Musketmen/Mappila Musketmen/Purbiya Musketmen/and Generic Indian Musketmen and Generic Afghan Musketmen for nonMughal factions?

59. iirc I read somewhere that the Kshatriya caste was absent in Assam, less common early medieval Orissa, and in Kerela the Nairs took their place, is there anywhere else in India where there would be no Kshatriya?

58. wikipedia says the Bhimthadi horse breed was mostly developed in the 1600-1700s, if that's true then what will Maratha cavalry ride?

57. Should Sadhu warriors be available in small amounts to any large temple or should they be restricted to certain areas

55. Were the 'Turkish' Mercenaries in the Delhi, Bengali, Deccan Sultnates, and Vijayanagara primarily Tartar Turks or Rumeli Turks or a mix?

51. Where should chainmail and felt horse armour be uncommon or not used at all due to the heat?

53. I need more generic character names for each factions agents/females, if you have any suggestions for common historical names please share, =At the moment the factions that are particularly lacking are Arghun, Garha Gonds, and Kozhikode

52. When should Cannon towers and rajput musketmen become available to mewar/marwar?

50. Chainmail wearing Afghan infantry should be rare as most soldiers that could afford metal armour would ride horses, right?

54. The largest areas of work left I believe are 1. Unit Stat and Cost Balancing 2. Importing Models/Textures from other mods and modifying some 3. Scripting, so I would like to get started on each of them and finish them quickly, I'll post more to the scripting/unit balance articles so please share any info you have. My computer is limited on harddrive space so do either of you have any experience or interest in helping import models from other mods? after we've gotten permission of course

-48. Does the terrain around the Sahyadris look mostly okay or does it need a lot work?

49. I've read that at the battle of Talikota their were mercenaries with steel crossbows on the Deccani Sultanate's side, were would they have originated?

63. A few large cities did not have walls, anyone know how to handle that without making a seperate building chain for walless cities?

62. Were Afghan Mercenaries in Bengal/Arrakan very common before the fall of the Delhi Sultanate?

56. How common and where were Free Abyssinian Mercenaries vs Slave Habshi, I've read Arrakan and Gujarat both had some free African mercenaries, any other places? (I wanted to limit them in factions that used a lot of habshi to keep down the already bloated rosters.) Also should there be Free Abyssinian Swords/Spears/Cav or were they mostly missile troops?

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KrishnaCN
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KingKorgoth
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24)Music suggestions
There are some good bgms and instrumentals from bolly movies

1)Vangelis conquest of paradise Youtu.be spent my whole life searching for it XD ...basically works for any historical setting

3)Age of Empires III Indian theme in Asian dyansties expansion
The already awesome aoe theme gets a desi touch and the veena playing makes u fall in love with it

4)already existing middle eastern music in vanilla medieval 2

5)Aoe III main themes Youtu.be
U may not like it for this setting but it's worth a try

6)Attila total war Hun theme
Youtu.be again a great theme music....makes u feel like raiding the world

7)Prince of Persia Two thrones
Nostalgia and childhood hit hard as u listen to these vocals
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8)pop warrior within album has a lot of good vocals
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9)A hero's theme by MK 2 Youtu.be

10)Ready for war instrumental by 50 Cent - works for any setting...listen to this and u may want to mount a horse and conquer the world even now

11)traditional Indian music

12)relaxing medieval music

13)https://youtu.be/S9MiHUpqkmY

14)this james bond tune has a middle eastern touch

15)https://youtu.be/9xSS5rAO2RE

16)Kingdom of heaven movie album
All tracks are usable
Youtube.com

17) all original Rome total war tracks...none of them feel out of place
Youtube.com

This particular track brings back memories

18)empire total war album- all soundtracks from "hamla" to the end
Youtube.com

We should use the instrumentals and avoid songs


I'll see if I can come up with some more traditional music...all of u may not like my choices though so pardom me if u feel my tastes suck XD

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Thanks! These are all great suggestions!

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KrishnaCN
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Some more music clips..KingKorgoth..huzurat....just listen to these clips..extremely addictive

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huzurat

Thanks for posting eu4 music ...I had forgotten about that track

Also check out farcry 4 tracks...thy can be used

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KingKorgoth
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lionheartofengland

All of the ones below are according to me only concerned with campaign map music

Listen to these medieval tunes

civ6 Indian music


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Civ 6 ottoman themes album can also be used

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Civ 6 Persian theme album

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Civ 6 Arabian theme album

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Guys I dunno if u have heard the civ 5 music but it's Indian music is very melodious...click the link below to the civ 5 music album...and play the music clips with Taj mahal as their thumbnail...listen to the melody

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KingKorgoth

As far as north India is concerned ,everything is fine...we may need small minor changes and additional settlements here and there (which ofcourse will be a part of the finishing touch)

Regarding question 8,give me some 3-4 days time,I'll go through the existing south Indian provinces in ur latest release and I'll cover the gondwana area as a part/subset of research on Deccan and south India(sadly I actually did research Deccan and some southern parts but back then u weren't actually focussing on settlements and now I've forgotten,so I'll kick-start it again).....

Also avoid settlements with twin names like "bhatkal and honnavar"....doesn't
Make sense

When will u be releasing the next version??,would u want to include the new aspects of my research in ur next release or would you rather wait it out and use the new info in the next to next version??

I did not understand ur question no.36
Can u elaborate on what u are exactly talking about ...perhaps with an example

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KrishnaCN
8. Thanks!

I agree it doesn't look the best but the reason I've done the twin naming is because the of the region limit of 199, there's way more than 199 important settlements in India in this time period and I'd like them to all be represented, I'll try to limit it's usage though and reserve it for forts/towns that are very close together

It will be a week or two before I release another version at least so I would like to include your research in the next release

36. Take the mughals for examples, they will have muslim and hindu generals but I don't want turkish muslim first names mixing with hindu indian surnames and vice versa

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Question 32
Martial Castes
1)Halepaika(Namdhari Naiks/Deeviga)

Literally means old/senior warriors...perhaps an indicative of their experience in warfare

Deeviga means torch bearer...indicating some form of warfare associated with night also

Why dont u consider adding a "Halepaika"regiment for Vijayanagara,Mysore and Keladi factions.....

Legend has it that Vijayanagara emperor gave the village of "Halepaika" as a grant to a minor lord...his descendants are called Halepaikas

the Halepaika is a martial warrior caste that served Kannada/south Indian empires for centuries often as small landlords and minor generals...I myself come from this caste and a remote ancestor of mine was a general of Tipu Sultan himself....the Halepaika would be very well depicted as a Spearmen regiment...paika suffix itself suggests footmen

Since my own ancestor and many from our caste were generals and landholders themselves it would be safe to say they rode horses and commanded cavalry contingents as well...infact grooms from our caste in history rode on horses to their marriage...it was only in the remote past after our ancestors gave up war and shifted to agriculture that our community members lost the social status and were considered lower castes...their custom of riding the horses was also taken away from them

So we can have decent lightly armored cavalrymen...but nothing special about these guys tho....obviously they don't stand a chance against other elite Cavalries like the ones mughals and others have...thy just make up one of the many large contingents of the humongous Vijayanagara army that's it..

Even to this day on the walls of the Mysore palace is a painting of the famed "Halepaika regiment" which routed Bijapur sultan's forces in some particular battle

Halepaika caste is found in modern day
Karwar, Ankola, Kumta, Honnavar, Bhatkal, Sirsi, Siddapur, Yellapur, Mundgod, Haliyal, Joida, Dandeli....I myself hail from Ankola which is also famous for the Ankola fort...Ankola fort is also called Mirjan fort(so my future research will involve these also)

The Halepaika would be available also as a mercenary....yes our ancestors and people of our caste were adventurous and were cheap arms for hire as well...we could give them good stamina,good charge(they've been described as jumping into action and routing Bijapur sultanate forces in historic sources),melee and decent defence stats but lightly armored

2)Komarpaikas(Komarpanth Naiks)

Literally means young warriors

The Komarpanth (or Komarpant naik or Comorpaica) are a social group centred in and around Goa

komarpants, primarily speak their own language, known as Halegannada (Old Kannada).

The Komarpanths are originally from the Keladi Nayaka Kingdom of the Vijayanagar Empire and are the followers of Shri Shringeri Mata” founded by Jagadguru Shri Shankaracharya at Shringeri.

The Rulers of Keladi had extended their kingdom up to Goa State and the Keladi Nayaka Kingdom was under the control of the Vijayanagara Kingdom.

Komarpanths are also referred to as those from the “Payaka” family which means that they are from the “superior leader” or the troop leaders. They were known for horsemanship, archery and soldiering. They have fought several times with the Sultans of Mysore and also against the British rule in India

Komarpanth Veera Henje Naik, born in 1736, fought against the British and the Sulthans of Mysore. With the help of the Bhandaris of Kodibag on the banks of the Kali River at Karwar, and fellow Komarpanths, Veera Henje Naik had been controlling the Five Islands that covered the entrance to Karwar from the sea route. But as the British outnumbered him with their army summoned from Madras, his team was ambushed by the British at Kodibag, and Veera Henje Naik was shot by the British in the year 1801. His samadhi (tomb) still remains in Kodibag.

During the period from 1736–1801, Komarpanth Veera Henje Naik ruled the province of Goa and some parts of Karwar and Uttara Kannada District and he was determined to fight against the British and the Sulthans of Mysore. Owing to his charismatic leadership, he was conferred upon with the title Chak Mak Jenga in 1794 AD.

The monuments installed by the Komarpanths still remain in the islands of Anju Div Island, Kurumgad Islands, Guddehalli and Belur, Shirave hills.

Komarpanths have settled in villages spread across Goa State, and in Karnataka in Uttara Kannada district Karwar, Sirsi, Dandeli, Ankola, Joida, Yellapur, Haliyal and even up to Kumta Taluk.

So we can have cheap decent infantry and archers and below average light cavalrymen

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3)Nadavaru

Nadavaru were soldiers during the rule of Vijayanagara, Keladi Nayakas and Bidanur kings. They fought as cavalrymen and infantrymen. They were very prominent in the army of queen Chennabhairadevi of Gerusoppa. They were part of the feudal setup. They traditionally kept peace in the regions also. The Portuguese who originally came as traders to India found looting of ports a cheaper way of obtaining goods and browbeating port traders into trading only with them. In the early eighteenth century, Portuguese fleets repeatedly attacked and damaged various coastal towns of Basrur, Barkur, Honnavara, Kumta, Gokharn Mirjan and Torke near Kumta. The fleets caused extensive damage to the properties and looted. The Gokarna Mahabaleswara temple was also said to have been damaged. To resist the Portuguese soldier clans of Nadavaru were made to settle around Gokarna and all riverine entry points like, Gangavali, Mirjan, Chandavar, Baad etc. They were agrarian people who prospered from hardwork and later education.

So we can have infantrymen and cavalrymen

all these 3 castes are spread in the same area of Uttara Kannada and their distribution is dense especially in my hometowns of Ankola and Kumta...I've seen and met these people on a personal level(with myself coming from one of the above said castes)

Also note how even though I say these martial castes don't match up to the north Indian military quality,the above 3 served the vassal states of Vijayanagara empire which were the Keladi,Mysore etc etc...but Keladi and Mysore were the most powerful military allies(if I'm correct??...correct me if I'm wrong)of the vijayanagara empire and were vital to its army which suggests that though not elite,these warriors were definitely no slouches...they were atleast hardy warriors

Hope I helped....I'll try to answer more questions

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KrishnaCN Great research! I'll add these

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39)Quotes
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The compassionate heart of his majesty finds no pleasure in cruelties or in causing sorrow to others; he is ever sparing of the lives of his subjects, wishing to bestow happiness upon all.
-Abul Fazl on emperor Akbar,Ain-i-Akbari

He was uniformly kind and considerate to his dependents, devotedly attached to his son Akbar, to his friends, and to his turbulent brothers. The misfortunes of his reign arose in great, from his failure to treat them with rigor
-Edward S Holden,on Emperor Humayun

The very defects of his character, which render him less admirable as a successful ruler of nations, make us more fond of him as a man.
-Edward S Holden,on Emperor Humayun

His renown has suffered in that his reign came between the brilliant conquests of Babur and the beneficent statesmanship of Akbar; but he was not unworthy to be the son of the one and the father of the other.
-Edward S Holden,on Emperor Humayun

His name meant the winner (Lucky/Conqueror), there is no kind in the history to be named as wrong as Humayun
-Stanley Poole,on Emperor Humayun

He was of a forgiving nature,He was in fact unfortunate ... Scarcely had he enjoyed his throne for six months in Delhi when he slipped down from the polished steps of his palace and died in his forty-ninth year.
-Stanley Poole,on Emperor Humayun

If there was a possibility of falling, Humayun was not the man to miss it. He tumbled through his life and tumbled out of it.
-Stanley Poole,on Emperor Humayun

Rana Pratap's defiance of the mighty Mughal empire, almost alone and unaided by the other Rajput states, constitute a glorious saga of Rajput valour and the spirit of self sacrifice for cherished principles.
-Historian Satish Chandra,on Maharana Pratap

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field.I'll meet you there.When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about.
-Sufi Mystic Jalal-ad-din Rumi

Lovers don't finally meet somewhere.They're in each other all along.
-Sufi Mystic Jalal-ad-din Rumi

Be melting snow.Wash yourself of yourself.
-Sufi Mystic Jalal-ad-din Rumi

The extent of the kingdom is the means for the acquisition of wealth.Therefore even if the land is limited in extent, excavate tanks and canals and increase the prosperity of the poor by leasing him the land for low ari and koru, so that you may obtain wealth as well as religious merit.
-Emperor Krishnadevaraya

The city of Vijayanagar is such that the pupil of the eye has never seen a place like it,and the ear of intelligence has never been informed that there existed anything to equal it in the world
-Abdur Razzak,on visiting Vijayanagara

This is the best provided city in the world. The people in the city are countless in number, so much so that I do not wish to write it down for fear it should be thought fabulous. What I saw seemed as large as Rome and very beautiful to the sight; there are many groves of trees within it, many orchards and gardens of fruit trees and many conduits of water which flow in the midst of it, and in places there are lakes
-Domingo Paes,on Vijayanagara city

Both were weak men... in their wrong places as rulers...and had Jahangir been head of a Natural History Museum,...he would have been a better and happier man.
-Orientalist Henry Beveridge,compares jahangir to Claudius

In such short that what this man's father, called Ecber Padasha [Padshah Akbar], got of the Deccans, this king, Selim Sha [Jahangir] beginneth to lose.
-Sir William Hawkins,on Emperor Jahangir

It is a truth tested by experience that sons dissipate what their fathers gained in the sweat of their brow
-Niccolao Manucci,on Emperor Jahangir

For he envies [the Prophet] Mohammed, and wisely sees no reason why he should not be as great a prophet as he and therefore professed himself so... he hath found many disciples that flatter or follow him
-Sir Thomas Roe,on emperor jahangir's religious policy

The emperor is either the most impossible man in the world to be converted, or the most easy; for he loves to hear, and hath so little religion yet, that he can well abide to have any derided
-Sir Thomas Roe,on Emperor jahangir's religious obscurity

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The ethos of pluralism and tolerance pioneered by the Muslim ruler in a Hindu-majority India underline the values of the modern republic of India
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

The third Mughal ruler of India presided over a flourishing of the arts, sponsoring artisans, poets, engineers and philosophers at a time when Europe was still in its pre-Renaissance stage.
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

If ever a leader merited a tautology, it was the Mughal Emperor Akbar the Great. Under Akbar, a fragile collection of fiefs around Delhi grew into the great Mughal Empire, a diverse and sprawling kingdom across northern India.
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

He was a canny warlord whose conquests gave rise to one of the early modern world's wealthiest states. Moreover, while a Muslim, Akbar was spiritually curious and hosted religious scholars from Hindu gurus to Jesuits at his vast, diverse court
-The Times,on Emperor Akbar

He was of the hue of wheat;his eyes and eyebrows were black and his complexion rather dark than fair
-Emperor Jahangir,on his father Akbar

Akbar is criticized for bringing Muslims and Hindus together as one nation and putting the separate identity of the Muslims in danger.This policy of Akbar contradicts the theory of Two-Nation and therefore makes him an unpopular figure in Pakistan
-Historian Mubarak ali

One could easily recognize even at first glance that he is King. He has broad shoulders, somewhat bandy legs well-suited for horsemanship, and a light brown complexion. He carries his head bent towards the right shoulder. His forehead is broad and open, his eyes so bright and flashing that they seem like a sea shimmering in the sunlight
-Jesuit Antoni de Monsterrat,on Akbar's appearance

He drank water from the Ganges river, which he called 'the water of immortality'.Special people were stationed at Sorun and later Haridwar to dispatch water, in sealed jars, to wherever he was stationed.
-Ain-i-Akbari,on Emperor Akbar's routine

He was fond of fruits and had little liking for meat, which he stopped eating in his later years.
-Emperor Jahangir,on his father Akbar

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I have left you the whole of Hindustan. Leave Lahore alone, and let Sirhind be a boundary between you and me.
-Emperor Humayun,to Sher Shah during his exile

I have left you Kabul
-Sultan Sher Shah,in a reply to the fugitive Humayun

When he was urged to make an example of his treacherous brother Kamran and kill him,Humayun refused citing the last words of his father, Babur,"Do nothing against your brothers, even though they may deserve it"

In very truth the greater part of the inhabitants of the world are like a flock of sheep, wherever one goes the others immediately follow
-Emperor Humayun during his reconquest,on the nature of leadership and the minds of men

Humayun,with his arms full of books, was descending the staircase from his library when the muezzin announced the Azaan (the call to prayer).It was his habit, wherever and whenever he heard the summons, to bow his knee in holy reverence.Trying to kneel, he caught his foot in his robe, tumbled down several steps and hit his temple on a rugged stone edge. He died three days later.

The Emperor had no horse fit for Hamida-banu Begum.He may have asked for one for her from Tardi Beg, who apparently did not give it. He then said,'Let the camel of Jauhar,the ewer-bearer,be got ready for me.I will ride it and the begum may have my horse
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on the exiled humayun's struggle in the desert and how nobody would offer his pregnant queen their mount

It was extremely hot; horses and other mounts kept sinking to the knees in the sand,and Maldeo was behind. On they went, thirsty and hungry.Many,women and men,were on foot.All through that night the Emperor went on, and at dawn a watering-place was found. For three days the horses had not drunk.
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on the exiled Humayun's struggle in the desert

They were all night in the snow,and at first there was neither wood for fire nor food to eat.They grew very hungry and feeble.The Emperor gave orders to kill a horse. There was no cooking-pot,so they boiled some of the flesh in a helmet, and some they roasted.They made fires on all four sides, and with his own blessed hand the Emperor roasted some meat which he ate. He used to say' My very head was frozen by the intense cold.
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on the exiled Humayun's struggle

In Umerkot he(humayun) left many people, and his family and relations, and also Khwaja Mu'azzarn to have charge of the haram.Hamida-banu Begam was with child.Three days after his Majesty's departure,and in the early morning of
Sunday, the fourth day of the revered Rajab, 949 A H.there was born his imperial Majesty, the world's refuge and conqueror, Jalalu-d-din Muhammad Akbar ghazi.The moon was in Leo. It was of very good omen that the birth was in a fixed Sign, and the astrologers said a child so born would be fortunate and long-lived.
-Humayun's sister Gulbadan Begum in the Humayun Nama,on her nephew Emperor Akbar's birth

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The affectionate sovereign loved grandchildren more than sons
-Abul Fazl,on Emperor Akbar

I consider him my true son
-Emperor Jahangir,on Akbar's love for his grandson Khurram(Shah Jahan)

That pleasure-loving youth,could not wean his heart from Hindustan.
-Abul Fazl,on Emperor jahangir as a prince

Things got so bad that in my hangovers my hands shook and trembled so badly I couldn’t drink myself but had to have others help me
-Emperor Jahangir,on his alcoholic addiction

With no beating around the bush,Highness,the way you’re drinking, in another six months – God forbid – things will be so bad it will be beyond remedy
-Emperor Jahangir's physician

By means of conversing with the Emperor and taking advantage of the idiosyncrasies of his disposition,he[Birbal] crept day by day more into favour, until he attained to high rank and was honoured with the distinction of becoming the Emperor’s confidant and it became a case of thy flesh is my flesh and thy blood my blood.
-Badayuni,envious of Emperor Akbar's fondness for Birbal

Alas! they could not even get his body out of the pass, that it might have been burned
-Emperor Akbar laments on not being able to retrieve Birbal's dead body for cremation

During an elephant fight organized in the grounds of Akbar’s court, one of the elephants, ‘unique for violence’,suddenly rushed towards Birbal, and seized him with his trunk. Akbar turned his horse around and galloped towards the elephant, charging at him, while all around him his soldiers and courtiers shouted out in alarm. The elephant then turned towards Akbar but, inexplicably, faltered, and Birbal was saved.
-an incident in 1583

When this terrible news was announced to Akbar, he was inconsolable. For two days and two nights he refused any food or water, did not attend to any state matters, left the bemused ambassador of Turan unattended, and turned away in grief from the jharoka window
-Emperor Akbar,on being informed of Raja Birbal's death in an ambush

His majesty grieved him exceedingly,and his heart turned away from everything
-Abul Fazl,on Emperor Akbar mourning Birbal's death

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It is better to go on working and doing good to the world than to go on a pilgrimage
-Emperor Akbar,in a letter to Raja Todar Mal

What harm?,if Khan Alam is dead; what fear ? if the Khan Khanan's horse has run away, the empire is ours!
-Raja Todar Mal,in midst of a battle with Daud Khan karrani

His majesty cared for the death of no grandee more than for that of Birbal. He said, 'Alas! they could not even get his body out of the pass, that it might have been burned"; but at last, he consoled himself with the thought that Birbal was now free and independent of all earthly fetters, and as the rays of the sun were sufficient for him, there was no necessity that he should be cleansed by fire.
-Badayuni,mocking Akbar's grief over Raja Birbal's death

On the other hand,that cursed hindu Birbal,tried to persuade the king(Akbar)that since the sun gives light to all, and ripens all grain, fruits, and products of the earth, and supports the life of mankind, that luminary should be the object of worship and veneration; that the face should be turned toward the rising, not toward the setting, sun..
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

Several wise men at court confirmed what he(Birbal) said by representing that the sun was the chief light of the world and the benefactor of its inhabitants, that it was a friend to kings and that monarchs established periods and eras in conformity with its motions. This was the cause of the worship paid to the sun on the New Year of the Persian emperor Jalal-ad-din(seljuk sultan),and the reason why he(Emperor Akbar)had been induced to adopt that festival for the celebration of his accession to the throne.
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

Every day, therefore,his majesty(Akbar) used to put on clothes of the particular colour which accorded with that of the regent planet of the day. He began also, at midnight and at early dawn, to mutter the spells which the Hindus taught him for the purpose of subduing the sun to his wishes.
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

From his earliest youth,in compliment to his wives, the daughters of the Rajas of Hind,his majesty(Akbar) had, within the female apartments, continued to burn the hom, which is a ceremony derived from fire-worship; but on the New Year festival of the twenty-fifth year after his accession (987 A.H) he prostrated himself both before the sun and before the fire in public, and in the evening the whole court were required to rise up respectfully when the lamps and candles were lighted.
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

On the festival of the eighth day after the sun’s entrance into Virgo in this year,his majesty(Akbar) came forth to the public audience-chamber with his forehead marked like a Hindu’ and with jewelled strings tied on his wrist by Brahmans as a blessing. The chiefs and nobles adopted the same practice in imitation of him and on that day presented pearls and precious stones suitable to their respective wealth and station. It also became the current custom to wear on the wrist the rakhi, an amulet formed of twisted linen rags
-Badayuni,in his Tarikh-i-Badaoni

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My father(Akbar) used to hold 'Sunday' blessed and to pay it great respect,because it is dedicated to the great luminary and because it is the day on which the creation was begun.Throughout my dominions,this was one of the days on which,it was forbidden to kill animals.
-Emperor Jahangir,in his Tuzuk-i-Jahangiri

if there is a paradise on earth it is here,it is here,it is here!!(Kashmir)
-Ambiguous

During my stay in Tashkent, I endured much poverty and humiliation. No country, or hope of one!
-Babur,while in exile and impoverished

My desire for Hindustan had been constant. It was in the month of Shaban, the Sun being in Aquarius, that we rode out of Kabul for Hindustan
-Babur,on his initial expeditions across the Khyber

In the presence of such power and potency, we had to think of some place for ourselves and, at this crisis and in the crack of time there was, put a wider space between us and the strong foeman(Uzbeks).
-Babur,on losing his native and the looming uzbeki threat

By the grace of the Almighty God, this difficult task was made easy to me and that mighty army, in the space of a half a day was laid in dust
-Babur,on his victory at Panipat and founding the Mughal dynasty

The foe swooped on our troops and put them to rout
-Babur,on the Rana Sanga's ferocity in initial skirmishes

They either out of fear or to scare others.......and others from Bayana, praised and extolled the valour and ferocity of Rajput troops
-Babur,on the Fearsome reputation of the Rajput warriors

They (Mughals) had some sharp encounters with the Rajputs..... found that they had now to contend with a foe more formidable than the Afghans or any of the natives of India to whom they had yet been opposed
- William Erskine,historian

The Rajputs(at Khanwa), ... were ready to meet, face to face,... all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour.
— William Erskine,historian

It was a really good plan, and it had a favourable propagandistic effect on friend and foe
-Babur in the Baburnama,on declaring Jihad on Afghans and Rajputs

The accursed infidels remained confounded for one hour
-Babur,when there was a brief pause in the battle of khanwa after Sanga was shot

In the centre the Rajputs continued to fall without being able to retaliate in the least or advance to close grips. They were hoplessly outlclassed in weapon and their dense masses only increased their hopeless slaughter, as every bullet found its billet
-Sir Jadunath Sarkar,military historian on the battle of khanwa

Swordsmen though some Hindustanis maybe, most of them are ignorant and unskilled in military move and stand, in soldierly counsel and procedure.
-Babur,after victory at Khanwa

The powerful confederacy which depended so largely for its unity upon the strength and reputation of Mewar, was shattered by a single defeat and ceased henceforth to be a dominant factor in the politics of Hindustan
-Rushbrook Williams,on the battle of khanwa

Babur's cannon put an end to outdated trends in Indian warfare
-Pradeep Barua

The Rajputs, energetic, chivalrous,fond of battle and bloodshed, animated by strong national spirit and led on by a hero, were ready to meet, face to face, the boldest veterans of the camp and were at all times prepared to lay down their lives for their honour
-William Erksine


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The fort taken, we entered and inspected it. On the walls, in houses, streets and alleys, the dead lay, in what numbers! Comers and goers to and fro were passing over the bodies.
-Babur,after defeating the pashtuns at Bajaur

With mind easy about the important affairs of the Bajaur fort, we marched, on Tuesday, one kuroh down the valley of Bajaur and ordered that a tower of heads should be set up on the rising-ground
-Babur,after victory at Bajaur

Do nothing against your brothers, even though they may deserve it
-Babur,to his son Humayun

I am drunk, officer.Punish me when I am sober
-Babur on alcoholism quotes his colleague

Everyone regrets drinking and swears an oath (of abstinence);I swore the oath and regret that.
-Babur,on giving up wine ever since the Battle of Khanwa

The new year, the spring, the wine and the beloved are joyful. Babur make merry, for the world will not be there for you a second time.
-Babur,to himself

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Since I was young and inclined to do these things,I ordered Mahmud the water-carrier to go to Hakim Ali’s house and bring some alcoholic syrup. The physician sent a phial and a half of yellow-coloured, sweet-tasting wine in a small bottle. I drank it and I liked the feeling I got
-Emperor Jahangir,on alcoholism

He was of medium height, and of fair complexion and good figure, rather fat than thin, he has on his face signs of small-pox. He was a great ruler,a man of justice,gallant and perfect in all things. But he was given to sudden fits of anger
-Domingo Paes,on Emperor Krishnadevaraya's appearance

He used to do exercises daily in the morning by applying oil on his body and used to work out till all the oil came out in the form of sweat. This was followed by a long ride over his horse. Then he used to take his bath, offer worship to gods and began his official work.
-Domingo Paes,on Emperor Krishnadevaraya's daily routine

He is the most feared king, but very cheerful and merciful
-Domingo Paes,on Emperor Krishnadevaraya

This palace of the king is surrounded by a very strong wall like some of the others, and encloses a greater space than all the castle of Lisbon.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

Going forward, you have a broad and beautiful street, full of rows of fine houses and streets of the sort I have described, and it is to be understood that the houses belong to men rich enough to afford such. In this street live many merchants, and there you will find all sorts of rubies, and diamonds, and emeralds, and pearls, and seed-pearls, and cloths, and every other sort of thing there is on earth and that you may wish to buy.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

He was flattered by some, envied by others, loved by none
-Edward S Holden,on Shah Jahan as a prince

In the immediate aftermath of his bereavement, the emperor was reportedly inconsolable.After her death, he went into secluded mourning for a year. When he appeared again, his hair had turned white, his back was bent, and his face worn.
-Emperor Shah Jahan,after his wife's death

In this city you will find men belonging to every nation and people, because of the great trade which it has, and the many precious stones there, principally diamonds.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

The size of this city I do not write here, because it cannot all be seen from any one spot, but I climbed a hill whence I could see a great part of it; I could not see it all because it lies between several ranges of hills. What I saw from thence seemed to me as large as Rome
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

I declare that no troops, horse or foot, could break their way through any street or lane, so great are the numbers of the people and elephants. This is the best provided city in the world.
-Domingo Paes,on the city of Vijayanagara

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Both Ashoka and Akbar saw and ruled country in their heydays 1826 years apart and administered a diverse group of people with different religions and are the only 2 to be worthy enough of claiming the title of great...in that context it's important to see how they managed spirituality and pragmatism whilst putting on a facade of protecting the existing order..so here it goes

The world is a Bridge, pass over it, but build no houses upon it. He who hopes for a day, may hope for eternity; but the World endures but an hour. Spend it in prayer for the rest is unseen.
-Inscription on the Buland Darwaza,on the illusory nature of life

Learning is a plant that grows in all climes.
-Emperor Akbar,on inquisitiveness

Most worshippers of God are intent on the advancement of their own destiny, not on His worship. In India, no one has ever claimed to be a prophet. The reason is that claims to divinity are customary.
-Emperor Akbar,on Faith

It is best for ordinary men to have only one wife ! 😂😂😂
-Emperor Akbar

No society can prosper if it aims at making things easier-instead it should aim at making people stronger.
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

Let all listen, and be willing to listen to the doctrines professed by others.
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

It is forbidden to decry other sects; the true believer gives honour to whatever in them is worthy of honour
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

May the partisans of all doctrines in all countries unite and live in a common fellowship. For all alike profess mastery to be attained over oneself and purity of the heart.
-Emperor Ashoka Maurya

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Verily,he(Sultan Sher Shah Suri)is the one 'Teacher of Kings'(Ustad-I-Badshahan)
-Emperor Humayun,on his arch rival and nemesis (couldn't find the exact quote,but humayun called him the teacher of Kings...so I made up this one for dramatic purposes)

Oh Shaikhu Baba,what have you done to me??!!...surely there was no need to do this since you very well know that you would inherit the throne after me
-Emperor Akbar in a delirious fit ,falsely accuses prince salim(jahangir) of poisoning him

वीर भोग्या वसुंधरा(only the Brave shall inherit the earth)-total truth 😂
-Rajputana quote

Saint Kabir das,arguably according to me the greatest saint of his time has great lessons to give

Many have died; you also will die.The drum of death is being beaten. The world has fallen in love with a dream. Only sayings of the wise will remain.

All know that the drop merges into the ocean, but few know that the ocean merges into the drop

But if a mirror ever makes you sad you should know that it does not know you

If you want the truth, I’ll tell you the truth: Listen to the secret sound, the real sound, which is inside you.

The river that flows in you also flows in me.

What is God? He is the breath inside the breath

Love does not grown on trees or brought in the market, but if one wants to be "LOVED" one must first know how to give (unconditional)LOVE.

If you don't break your ropes while you're alive, do you think ghosts will do it after?

The Lord is in me, the Lord is in you,as life is in every seed, put false pride away and seek the Lord within..

I don't think there is such a thing as an intelligent mega-rich person. For who with a fine mind can look out upon this world and hoard what can nourish a thousand souls.

The Kazi is searching the words of the Koran, and instructing others: but if his heart be not steeped in that love, what does it avail, though he be a teacher of men?

Reading book after book the whole world died,
and none ever became learned!
But understanding the root matter is what made them gain the knowledge!

— Kabir Granthavali

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,
then who is there to know what happens without?

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Saints I see the world is mad.
If I tell the truth they rush to beat me,
if I lie they trust me.
— Kabir

Keep the slanderer near you, build him a hut in your courtyard —For, without soap or water, he will scrub your character clean.
— Kabir

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KrishnaCN Kabir has some great quotes. I don't know if he's at all well known in India but I met Andrew Harvey last year, he is a bit odd but very inspiring

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Hindustan is a place of little charm. There is no beauty in its people, no graceful social intercourse, no poetic talent or understanding, no etiquette, nobility or manliness. The arts and crafts have no harmony or symmetry. There are no good horses, meat, grapes, melons or other fruit. There is no ice, cold water, good food or bread in the markets. There are no baths and no schools. There are no candles, torches or even candlesticks.
-Babur,on Hindustan

Faríd Khán(Sher Shah), being annoyed with me, has gone to you without sufficient cause. I trust in your kindness to appease him, and send him back; but if refusing to listen to you, he will not return, I trust you will keep him with you, for I wish him to be instructed in religious and polite learning.
-Hasan Khan Suri,in a letter to Jamal khan after his son Farid ran away from home as a boy

If my father wants me back to instruct me in learning, there are in this city(Jaunpur) many learned men, I will study here
-Sultan Sher Shah as a runaway boy Farid khan

Specially Sher Khan was not an angel (malak) but a king (malik). In six years he gave such stability to the structure (of the empire) that its foundations still survive.
-Mirza Aziz Koka,in a letter of advice to Emperor Jahangir

He(Sher Shah) had made India flourish in such a way that the king of Persia and Turan appreciate it, and have a desire to look at it. Hazrat Arsh Ashiyani (Akbar the great) followed his administrative manual (zawabit) for fifty years and did not discontinue them
-Mirza Aziz Koka,in a letter of advice to Emperor Jahangir

for a few grains of bajra (millet, which is the main crop of barren Marwar) I almost lost the entire kingdom of Hindustan
-Sultan Sher Shah,on the battle of Sammel

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Saint Kanakadasa(born an untouchable...became a social reformer)
teachings

Bathing in the holy river without conquering internal pride, envy and wrath is meaningless.

Exhibiting hyperbolic devotion is like an actress exhibiting her illusory beauty.

Does fragrance lie in the flower? Or the flower in fragrance?
Or do both the flower and fragrance lie in the nostrils?
I cannot say, O Lord Adikeshava(Lord Krishna) of Kaginele(patron diety),
O! peerless one, are all things within you alone?

It is better to quarrel with the wise than to be with the ignorant; it is better to beg in a populous city than to starve in a royal palace; it is better to live in a deserted temple than to live in the company of the jealous.

untouchable is one who preaches virtue but does not practice it; who serves the king and yet wishes him ill; who lusts after a *****; who poisons the patient through medicine.

Famous film song attributed to Kanakadasa

ಕುಲಕುಲ ಕುಲವೆಂದು ಹೊಡೆದಾಡದಿರಿ
ನಿಮ್ಮ ಕುಲದ ನೆಲೆಯನೇನಾದರೂ ಬಲ್ಲಿರಾ

Caste! Caste ! Why do you fight in the name of caste
Do you really know the origin of your caste??

ಹುಟ್ಟದ ಯೋನಿಗಳಿಲ್ಲ ಮೆಟ್ಟದ ಭೂಮಿಗಳಿಲ್ಲ
ಅಟ್ಟು ಉಣ್ಣದ ವಸ್ತುಗಳಿಲ್ಲವೋ
ಗುಟ್ಟುಕಾಣಿಸೆ ಬಂತು ಹಿರಿದೇನು ಕಿರಿದೇನು
ನೆಟ್ಟನೆ ಸರ್ವಜ್ಞನ ನೆನೆಕಂಡ್ಯ ಮನುಜ

There are no wombs that haven't delivered
There is no earth that hasn't been walked upon
What is the use of something that doesn't show you the truth
Whether it is high or low
Simply cherish and remember sarvagna(reformer)

ಜಲವೇ ಸಕಲ ಕುಲಕ್ಕೆ ತಾಯಿಯಲ್ಲವೆ
ಆ ಜಲದ ಕುಲವನೇನಾದರೂ ಬಲ್ಲಿರಾ
ಜಲದ ಬೊಬ್ಬುಳಿಯಂತೆ ಸ್ಥಿರವಲ್ಲ ಈ ದೇಹ
ನೆಲೆಯನರಿತು ನೀ ಹರಿಯ ನೆನೆ ಮನುಜ

Isn't water the mother and giver of life to all
Do u know her caste ??
The body itself isn't permanent and like a water bubble
Understand the origin properly and simply worship lord Hari

ಹರಿಯೇ ಸರ್ವೋತ್ತಮ ಹರಿಯೇ ಸರ್ವೇಶ್ವರ
ಹರಿಮಯವೆಲ್ಲವೆನುತ ತಿಳಿದು
ಸಿರಿಕಾಗಿನೆಲೆಯಾದಿಕೇಶವರಾಯನ
ಚರಣಕಮಲವನು ಕೀರ್ತಿಸುವನೆ ಕುಲಜ

One who considers Hari as above all
And Hari as supreme and
One who glorifies and praises the lotus feet of Kaginele adikeshavaraya (Hari) is the one who can truly claim to be of noble descent

Original song

kula kula kulavennutiharu
kulavyAvudu satyasukhavuLLa janarige

People constantly talk about caste, caste, caste.
To which caste do those who experience true happiness* belong?

*enlightenment, divine bliss, etc.

kesaroLu tAvare puTTalu ada tandu bisajanAbha nigarpisalillavE
hasuvina mAmsadoLutpatti kshIravu vasudheyoLage bhUsuraruNNalillavE

The lotus is born from pond-bed mud and slush
but we offer it to God in worship;
milk is secreted from a cow’s udder
but the highest caste drinks it.

People constantly talk about caste…

mRugagala maiyalli puTTida kastUriya tegedu pUsuvaru bhUsurarellaru
bageyinda nArAyaNanAva kuladava agajavallabhanyAtara kuladavanu

Musk oozes from deers’ pores
but Brahmins smear it on their “pure” bodies.
To what caste does Lord Narayana belong, tell me?
To what caste does Lord Shiva belong?

People constantly talk about caste…

Atma yAva kula jIva yAva kula tattvEndriyagaLa kula peLirayya
AtmAmtarAtma neleyAdikEshava Atanolida mEle yAtara kulavayya

To what caste does the soul belong?
To what caste do life and love belong?
To what caste do the five senses belong?
If a soul is united with God, the Soul of Souls,
What does caste have to do with it?

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KrishnaCN Fantastic Work! Thank you!

Also, for the opening screen when you start the mod, if you could only pick one quote to show there what would it be? I was thinking either something about Babur or just a popular Indian proverb or saying but I'm open to other things

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KingKorgoth

There are a number of quotes that come to my mind....feel free to choose any of them

In the happiness of his population, rests the ruler’s own happiness, in their welfare lies his welfare, he shall not necessarily consider as good whatever pleases him but he shall consider as good whatever pleases his population.
-Chanakya,in Arthashastra

Ideal ruler is one who is ever active in promoting the welfare of the people, and who endears himself by enriching the public and doing good to them.
-Chanakya,in Arthashastra

Some of the great ones are also from Abul fazl...by standards of his time,he was actually an intellectual

The religion of thousands consists in clinging to an idea; they are happy in their sloth.... many would observe silence from fear of fanatics.
-Abul Fazl,Ain-i-Akbari

If royalty did not exist, the storm of strife would never subside, nor selfish ambition disappear. Mankind is under the burden of lawlessness and lust…
-Abul Fazl,Ain-i-Akbari

This one below surprised me actually

The inhabitants of this land(Hindustan)are religious, affectionate, hospitable, genial and frank. They are fond of scientific pursuits, inclined to austerity of life, seekers after justice, contented, industrious, capable in affairs, loyal, truthful and constant… They one and all believe in the unity of God, and as to the reverence they pay to the images of stone and wood and the like, which simpletons regard as idolatry, it is not so.
-Abul Fazl,Ain-i-Akbari

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man’s needs, but not every man’s greed.
-Mahatma Gandhi

The world is a Bridge, pass over it, but build no houses upon it. He who hopes for a day, may hope for eternity; but the World endures but an hour. Spend it in prayer for the rest is unseen.
-Buland Darwaza,on the illusory nature of life

Any of these is spiritual and philosophical enough to be a good message

I'd suggest the later quotes,chanakya quotes can be used for 326 BC...also avoid quotes of older time periods and personalities generally(thy can be used for 326 BC)...which is why most of my quotes are from the 1500s-1600s

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Famous poem by Keshavdas

O Keshav, what havoc these grey hair have brought to thee. May such fate not even befall to one's worst enemy. Girls with moon like faces and eyes of a gazelle call thou baba due to them.

(Greyed by the years, he rued the day when pretty girls he encountered on the Betwa addressed him as Baba— an old man.)

Mirabai saint woman

There are lot of origin stories on this lady saint..but what is for sure is that she was born to a royal Rajput house and lived her younger days as a princess...she seemed to have had spiritual experiences from a young age

She was married off early to another Rajput prince
Apparently her husband and in-laws mistreated her
Even as far as abusing or trying to kill her

She tolerated it until one day she had had enough and ran away from home and renounced everything

She spent the rest of her life in composing poems and in devotion to Lord Krishna..her characteristic style of composition approaches lord Krishna not just as a god but as her husband instead

Some of her compositions :

My lover's gone off to some foreign country, sopping wet at our doorway
I watch the clouds rupture.
Mira says, nothing can harm him.
This passion has yet to be slaked.

The Great Dancer is my husband," Mira says, "rain washes off all the other colors.

I have felt the swaying of the elephant's shoulders;
and now you want me to climb
on a jackass? Try to be serious.

For your sake, I gave up all pleasures,
Now why are you making me long for you?
You create the pang of separation inside the bosom
So that you can come and quench it?
O! Lord! Now I will not leave you
Smilingly, call me soon!
Meera is your servant in birth after birth
Unite me with you in every limb.

Don't forget love;
it will bring all the madness you need
to unfurl yourself across the universe.

One night as I walked in the desert the mountains rode on my shoulders
and the sky became my heart,
and the earth - my own body, I explored.
Every object began to wink at me, and Mira wisely calculated thinking,
My charms must be at their height
now would be a good time to rush into his arms,
maybe He won't drop me so quick.

I want you to have this,
all the beauty in my eyes,
and the grace of my mouth,
all the splendor of my strength,
all the wonder of the musk parts of my body,
for are we not talking about real love, real love?

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Quotes from Shivaji's letter to Aurangzeb

It has recently come to my ears that, on the ground of the war with me having exhausted your wealth and emptied the imperial treasury, Your Majesty has ordered that money under the name of Jaziya should be collected from the Hindus and the Imperial needs supplied with it.
-on Aurangzeb imposing the hitherto abolished Jaziya tax

May it please your Majesty! that architect of the fabric of (Mughal) empire, [Jalal-ud-din] Akbar Padishah, reigned with full power for 52 [lunar] years. He adopted the admirable policy of universal harmony (sulh-i-kul) in relation to all the various sects, such as Christians, Jews, Muslims, Dadu's followers, sky-worshippers (falakia), malakia, materialists (ansaria), atheists (daharia), Brahmans and Jain priests
-calling out Aurangzeb for his moves which are in contrast to his own ancestors

The aim of this liberal heart(Emperor Akbar) was to cherish and protect all the people. So he became famous under the title of the World's spiritual guide 'Jagat Guru'
-calling out Aurangzeb for his moves which are in contrast to his own ancestors

Next,the Emperor Nur-ud-din Jahangir for 22 years spread his gracious shade on the head of the world and its dwellers, gave his heart to his friends and his hand to his work, and gained his desires
-calling out Aurangzeb for his moves which are in contrast to his own ancestors

The Emperor Shah Jahan(Aurangzeb's father) for 32 years cast his blessed shadow on the head of the world and gathered the fruit of eternal life, - which is only a synonym for goodness and fair fame, - as the result of his happy time on earth
-calling out Aurangzeb for his moves which are in contrast to his own ancestors

They (Akbar,Jahangir,Shah Jahan) too, had the power of levying the Jaziya; but they did not give place to bigotry in their hearts, as they considered all men, high and low, created by God, to be [living] examples of the nature of diverse creeds and temperaments
-calling out Aurangzeb for being in contrast to his own ancestors

He who lives with a good name gains everlasting wealth, because after his death, the recital of his good deeds keeps his name alive
-calling out Aurangzeb for Being in contrast to his own ancestors

Through the auspicious effect of this sublime disposition, wherever he [Akbar] bent the glance of his august wish, Victory and Success advanced to welcome him on the way. In his reign many kingdoms and forts were conquered
-Informing him of his failure to defeat him in the Deccan

The state and powers of these Emperors(Akbar,Jahangir,Shah jahan) can be easily understood from the fact that Alamgir Padishah(Aurangzeb) has failed and become distracted in the attempt to merely follow their political system.
-Informing him of his failure to defeat him in the Deccan

Their(Akbar,Jahangir,Shah Jahan) kindness and benevolence endure on the pages of Time as their memorial, and so prayer and praise for these (three) pure souls will dwell for ever in the hearts and tongues of mankind, among great and small.
-Praises Aurangzeb's forefathers in contrast to him

Prosperity is the fruit of one’s intentions. Therefore, their wealth(Akbar,Jahangir,Shah Jahan) and good fortune continued to increase, as God’s creatures reposed in the cradle of peace and safety [under their rule], and their undertakings succeeded.
-Praises Aurangzeb's forefathers in contrast to him

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Continued from above...

Your peasants are down-trodden; the yield of every village has declined, -in the place of one lakh [of Rupees] only one thousand, and in the place of a thousand only ten are collected and that too with difficulty.
-Criticises aurangzeb's rule

When Poverty and Beggary have made their homes in the palaces of the Emperor and the Princes, the conditions of the grandees and officers can easily be imagined.
-Criticises aurangzeb's rule

It is a reign in which the army is in a ferment, the merchants complain, the Muslims cry, the Hindus are grilled, most men lack bread at night and in the day inflame their own cheeks by slapping them [in anguish].How can the royal spirit permit you to add the hardship of jaziya to this grievous state of things?
-Criticises aurangzeb's rule

The infamy will quickly spread from west to east and become recorded in books and history that the Emperor of Hindusthan, coveting the beggars’ bowls, takes jaziya from Brahmans and Jain monks, yogis, sanyasis, bairagis, paupers, mendicants, ruined wretches, and the famine-stricken,
-Criticises aurangzeb's rule

It shall be known that his valour is shown by attacks on the wallets of beggars, - that he dashes down to the ground the name and honour of the Timurids!
-Criticises aurangzeb's rule

May it please your Majesty! If you believe in the true Divine Book and Word of God (the Quran) you will find there [that God is styled] Rabb-ul-alamin, the Lord of all men, and not Rabb-ul-Musalmin, the Lord of the Muhammadans only.
-Criticises aurangzeb's beliefs

Verily, Islam and Hindusim are terms of contrast. They are [diverse pilgrims] used by the true Divine Painter for blending the colours and filling the outlines
-Criticises aurangzeb's beliefs

It be a mosque the call to prayer is chanted in remembrance of Him. If it be a temple, the bell is rung in yearning for Him only
-Criticises aurangzeb's beliefs

To show bigotry for any man's creed and practices is equivalent to altering the words of the Holy Book
-Criticises aurangzeb's beliefs

Apart from its injustice, this imposition of the Jaziya is an innovation in India and inexpedient... I wonder at the strange fidelity of your officers that they neglect to tell you of the true state of things, but cover a blazing fire with straw!
-Criticises aurangzeb's beliefs

If you imagine piety to consist in oppressing the people and terrorizing the Hindus,you ought first to levy the jaziya from Rana Raj Singh, who is the head of the Hindus.
-Criticises aurangzeb's beliefs

But to oppress ants and flies is far from displaying your valour and spirit.
-Mocks Aurangzeb for levying Jaziya

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If danda be not employed, it gives rise to the condition of Matsya Nyaya, for in the absence of a chastiser the strong devour the weak
-Chanakya,Arthashastra

When the king carrying the rod of punishment does not protect the earth, then the strong persons destroy the weaker ones, just like in water the big fish eat the smaller ones
-Shantiparva,of Mahabharata

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37)

I've no clue about those factions except that I've heard their names

Maybe u can give these ideas a go

How about u cover 12th century India before and after Ghurid invasions
Or
13th century India with Sultanates,Rajputs,Mongols and other south indian kingdoms.Alauddin Khalji's conflict with Mongols is very interesting.he had to match them tactically move for move and in numbers to beat them
Or
4th century AD Indian subcontinent....unlike 326 BC mod,this time period is fairly more certain and tailor made for modding...
Diverse factions like Guptas,Nagas,Western and Northern kshatarapas,white Huns,Cholas,Cheras,Pandyas,Kadambas,Vakatakas,Pallavas

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huzurat

Q5)Should every faction have access to the chainmail wearing Talwarbaz unit or just Gujarat?

this is just to give you an idea as to how Islamic armies functioned

Generally addressing this question,the chainmail along with the Kulah khud(aka Devil's mask....metal helmet) was the standard attire of any elite islamic infantryman/cavalryman, prestigious general of the army and of the sultan himself in any of medieval islamic sultanates....so we should give units of all islamic sultanates chainmail not just gujarat

In india this trend was noticed first in the "age of conflicts"(ghaznavid and ghurid incursions) between raiding turks and the dominant Rajput polities of North India and Rajputana

The relatively hot middle eastern and indian climate forced not just the native indian militaries but also the ascendant islamic militaries(from 600s-modern historical era,everywhere around the world,there were possibly hundreds of sultanates that rose and fell in the middle east....in comparison to other cultures,islamic armies made rapid military progress....with proper study,one can notice the military genius in Khalid ibn walid's manuevers and surprises....he definitely had an impact on their military thinking.....in almost all accounts,u can see the muslim armies always trying to encircle,outflank,ambush and surprise with no concern for chivalry....muslim rulers started knocking on doors of all countries....especially the constantly opportunistic governors and slaves culminated in bigger sultanates creating multiple smaller sultanates..the phrase"a good slave is 1000 times more valuable than a son" was taken too seriously....and in general islamic polities like delhi,mughals and deccan,u will notice,have succession crisis every 15-20 years when the king dies.....in india especially every slave in sultanate era wanted to establish his own sultanate....i crack up everytime i see a sultan die in history books...infact by those standards Mughals actually made an effort to stop it atleast...shah jahan made an effort to groom Prince Dara..but their problems arose not from slaves but their overly ambitious sons)to adopt a lighter version of armour in contrast to hardy full plate armored christian knights

unlike the christian armor and its helmets,the chainmail is lighter and is literally a mail made up of chains..it would be safe to say it looks like a rug made of chains...the plate component in chainmail is very less...infact the only metal plate part of the attire is the helmet,chest guard and arm guards in some exceptions....a complete plate protection was an exception used only by very important nobles or the emperor himself...the helmet doesn't suffocate like the knight helmet's visors and the plate mail doesn't roast u in the heat

in some desert regions,the islamic armor was even less minimum and armies relied solely on hit and run

u can see multiple indian and persian chaimail armors,which have plate only at the chest and other vital parts

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Continued from above....

During 12th century chainmail armour was first introduced in the Indian subcontinent and used by Turkic armies.A reference of chainmail armour was found in the inscription of Mularaja II

An interesting association with the chainmail is found in the 1178 battle of Kasahrada....this is well before the 1192 debacle of tarain

About the battle of Kasahrada,Udayaprabha Suri, in his Sukrita-Kirti-Kallolini, states that Naikidevi gave Mularaja an army to play with. With this army, Mularaja defeated the Hammira (Sanskrit form of Emir) and his mlechchha army, whose soldiers were covered from head to toe in order to protect themselves.There is no doubt this head to toe attire was the chainmail....so without a doubt islamic armies had an upperhand as far as equipment and mobility was concerned

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Continued from above....

Look at these images of chainmail

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Continued from Above...

below u can see even a Mughalia horse archer having proper protection

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these are Kulah khud helmets

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many of these helmets had decorative art and islamic script inscribed on them

These armors were later adopted by imperial Marathas as well

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Continued from Above....

u can see how the helmets in the above images offer a clear view of the battlefield to the warrior and don't obscure his field of vision

Besides Islamic armies unlike Rajput Feudal traditions were standing armies....well drilled and trained to fight as a single cohesive unit with a common strategy...whereas the rajput overlord would summon his vassals and small chieftains and each of these guys would bring their contingent to a decided place...all these contingents fought for their own chieftain and not the Rajput overlord..often their loyalties were dubious....Many of these indisciplined chieftains wouldn't arrive on time before the battle...so many times even after the battle with turks started,contingents would be yet to arrive..even with feudal traditions,the Manpower pool of rajputs was huge but the sloppy pace of these vassals undermined the Rajput King's defensive response

So why did it take close to 500 years(right from ibn qasim's inroads into the sindh) for turks to successfully capture Delhi??

The answer is the Elephant and Rajput ferocity in melee

almost all islamic chroniclers mention the vastness(though they deliberately exaggerate the numerical superiority)of Rajput armies and the dominance of elephants

It is very much possible,that in the initial instances of Rajput turkic conflict,the turks carelessly took to melee with the Rajputs and the Horses were terrified of the Elephants size and odor...this would explain several defeats and incursions repulsed by rajputs mentioned in inscriptions

Many accounts describe the turkic cavalry running into Elephant brigades and routing due to Rajput momentum

This would also explain early turkic and Mahmud Ghazni's modus operandi in their incursions...all the fortified places,garrisons would be bypassed,any field engagment would be avoided(though Ghazni did inflict crushing defeats on Native kings which are documented as well) and only defenceless places and temples would be targeted...when the pillaging was done the wholly cavalry based army would disappear behind the Khyber just as quickly as it had come from thence...an interesting fact about mahmud is that he started recruiting war elephants because he was annoyed by the level of threat they posed to his armies....by the time Mahmud was done with his military career,the Ghaznavids had already ventured beyond the khyber many times and established themselves in Punjab and ruled as far as lahore....this compromise of the mouth of khyber pass made incursions all the more easy and recurring since now they no longer needed to traverse the Khyber

approximately a 100 years after Mahmud,another minor power based in the Ghor mountains that initially didn't even practise Islam converted and quickly dethroned the reeling Ghaznavids...

This Mahmud of Ghor wasn't as clever as that of ghazni....many of his military campaigns were a disaster and failure but he was a crafty general and in contrast to his predecessors established his rule in delhi for the first time....by early 1170s,when Prithviraj Chauhan III was still young,this man was already loitering in the north west and also captured Multan....but in 1178 at the battle of Kasahrada,Mularaja II inflicted a crushing defeat on a Turushka Hammira(Turkic Emir in sanskrit designation) that most historians today identify with this Mahmud of Ghor

What Udayaprabha Suri mentions in his Sukrita-Kirti-Kallolini as soldiers "covered from head to toe" are nothing but the elite chainmail warriors of Mahmud of Ghor himself

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Continued from above....

According to the 13th century Persian chronicler Minhaj-i-Siraj, Muhammad of Ghor marched towards Nahrwala (the Chaulukya capital Anahilavada) via Uchchha and Multan. The "Rae(Islamic for "rai") of Nahrwala" (the Chaulukya king) was young, but commanded a huge army with elephants. In the ensuing battle, "the army of Islam was defeated and put to rout", and the invading ruler had to return to without any accomplishment.

Nizam-ud-din gives a similar account,and states that Muhammad of Ghor marched to Gujarat via desert. The 16th century writer Badauni also mentions the invader's defeat, and states that he retreated to Ghazni with great difficulty. Firishta also states that the ruler of Gujarat defeated the Muslim army "with great slaughter", and the remnant of the defeated army faced many hardships during its return journey to Ghazni.

One can notice how each of these chroniclers especially muslims emphasise on the elephants and the huge numbers even though they overestimate....they use terms like great slaughter and great difficulty.....this explains that initially the turks couldn't find their way about the rajput problem..."the great slaughter" happened possibly because the turks mindlessly tried to trade hand to hand with rajput cavalry and elephants

Again at Tarain in 1191,Prithviraj's vassal and brother(and also the governor of delhi),Govind Rai and Mahmud Ghori himself seemed to have traded blows in personal combat...Accounts describe that even while the Ghurid wings were being crushed by Rajput cavalry,Mahmud of Ghor charged into the centre of the field engagement at the Rajputs like a madman...upon facing Govind rai,Mahmud is supposed to have driven a spear into his face,the blow however wasn't enough and knocked out Govind's teeth instead...Stunningly,Govind is supposed to have recovered from the blow and retaliated by overpowering Ghori and knocking him off his horseback(testament to Rajput ferocity...i don't know of any man that could shrug off a lance thrust at the face,roll with it and retaliate...this would be a grevious injury in any setting)...Ghori was in threat of being surrounded and captured by the victorious Rajputs,but a young Khalji tribesman whisked him off in the nick of the time and ran away with the injured sultan on his horseback.This event marks a stark difference in ghori's approach to war with rajputs henceforth

The full next year,ghori trained his cavalrymen and horses to acclimatise themselves to huge elephants by making them manuever and drill around mud statues shaped to look like elephants...what happened in 1192 and the rest is history

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14.Were Maratha cavalry used by Gujarat/Golconda/Bidar/Khandesh/Berar/or Malwa?
Marathas started their military journey in service of Bahamani kingdom which includes Golconda, Bidar, Ahmednagar, Berar, and Bijapur, so they definitely employed them. Then the Khandesh covers part of present-day Maharastra where Marathas originated. Later Marathas during Peshwa captured Malwa and set up a power base there and Gujarat is adjoining to the powerhouse of Marathas, so there might also be having some Marathas serving under them. Malwa and Gujarat should though have Marathas cavalry in late period.

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I'm not sure which mercenaries u are talking about but much of the fighting capacity of the Deccanis was made up of Iranis and turanis.

The only soldiers I've read about in this battle coming close to ur description of "mercenaries" are the Muslim troopers who came from Iran and Turan.

These Muslim troopers were fully clad in armor and used the deadly composite bow which was made of steel or two horns joined together by a metal clasp.The Deccanis fought pretty much in Baburid fashion with qarawal screen followed by artillery fieldwork with gaps and then the main force beyond this line.

These deadly bows had far greater range and penetrating power than the useless bamboo bows the Vijayanagar rabble was using.Vijayanagar too fielded a corps of Muslims made up of 6 mercenary captains but these were mostly Indian Muslims especially Pathans who were of inferior martial skill compared to their Irani and turani counterparts.The Battle was essentially a match up between skilled professionals and a disorganised rabble.

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What is the use of tags for the mod page.Do relevant tags make it feature in search hits??...If so maybe u could add a lot more...

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53. I need more generic character names for the factions agents/females, if you have any suggestions for common historical names please share

Well hindus have many gods and many different names so any generic name like

Males
Mahesh
Mahesha S
Maheshwar N
Maheshwara S
Ram in the North - N
Rama in south - S
Ramesh
Dilip
Vikram N
Vikrama S
bikram Bengali
Balaram
Balarama S
Shivraj
Prithvi
Pruthvi
Krishna
Govind N
Govinda S
Ganesh N
Ganesha S
Gobind
Jagadish
Jayadeep
Jaydeep
Vijay
Bijay Bengali
Ajay
Jeevraj
Jayaraj
Shridhara S
Shridhar s
Ramesh
Raja
Vishwas
Eshwar
Anant
durvesh
Arjun N
Arjuna S
Karan N
Karna
Amar
Amaresh
Keshav N
Keshav S
Raghav N
Raghava S
Raghu
Shiv N
Shiva S
Lakshman N
Lakshmana S
Suresh
Dharma
Kamal
devendra
Surendra
Narendra
Mahendra
Amarendra
Maruti S
Raghavendra S
Indrajit N
Meghnad N
Aniruddha
Ganpath N
Ramchandra
Chandru
Vikramjit N
Bikramjit Bengali
Sugreev N
Sugreeva S
Sushen
Vibheeshan N
Vibheeshana S
Sahadev
Nakul
Dushyant
Bharat
Bharata S
Shatrughan
Janaka S
Deepak
Subhash
Tribhuvan
Jagapathi
Gajendra
Gajapathi
Seetharam
Seetharama S
Radhakrishna
Pranab
Ashok
Sharath
Satyajit
Dhananjay
Manjunath
Nagaraj
Nagesha S
Nagesh
Kamalesh
Vishnu
Suryakanth
Laksmikanth
Vallabh
Vallabha S
Bhimdev N
Bhima
Baldev
Neelkanth
Shyam
Someshwar
Dharmraj
Harihara
Hari
Mahadev
Sagar

Females
Meera
Sita
gita
Lakshmi
Gayathri
Indira
Urmila
Gowri
Mohini
Saraswati
Kamala
Kamaladevi
Rajashri
Tulsi
Rukmini
Jaya
Anusha
Ishwari
Sati
Bhargavi
Parvati
Menaka
Rambha
Urvashi
Maya
Sumitra
Kausalya
Shakuntala
Mandavi
Satybhama
Janaki
Ahalya
Amba
Ambika
Ganga
Yamuna
Narmada
Kaveri
Sindhu
Durga
Kali
Bhagirathi
Kavya
Sneha
Neha
Sunitha
Maheshwari
Sharavati
Deeksha
Deekshitha
Tara
Shashi
Vasanthi
Damayanthi
Rekha
Kalyani
Mamatha
Padmavati
Padmini
Gautami
srilakshmi

All the male names can be suffixed with surnames like Kumar,Singh(for north Indian names),Thakur(north Indian names),Biswas(north Indian names),Nayak,Nayaka,Gupta(north Indian),Sharma,Sarma(south indian),Bhat,Gowda(south Indian),Rao,Tiwari(north Indian),Murthy,babu(andhra I think),shetty,yadav,jadav,prasad,simha,Sinha etc

The N,S and Bengali labels I used are specifically for North,South and Bengal.

Females can be suffixed with Devi,kumari and all of the above surnames for males

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Great list! Thank you

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61.
Not sure there was a favourite colour for everyone

For most Islamic groups id say green would be a favorable color
I'd say for Afghans Arabs and other Islamic groups green and black
Mughals especially favoured the Moss green
If u see their banners in paintings u will see them in their typical green

Hindu units could have saffron red yellow pink and anything else except black.Some Hindus see black as a bad omen

However even with these I don't think there was a uniform color for all even in many armies except elite centralised units

I would say except for the elite centralised units all units must have varying shades for each of their soldiers

Let the centralised units for mughals mostly don pink,green and black..I'd say even within each unit itself let the colors vary between green,pink,turquoise blue,red and black..let green be a dominant color

For Delhi sultanate let it be mostly black and dark green instead of normal green..I'd say let black get precedence here

But I'm not sure of the other Sultanates here

Let vijayanagara and other hindu kingdoms have slightly more vibrant and colourful armies...let their soldier colors vary between saffron,yellow,pink,torqouise blue and red

I'd give Rajput armies bright yellow,saffron and red

Overall let Hindu armies have more red,saffron and yellow

But let the mercenaries,local levies,rural and garrison units have diverse shades with no dominance of any color irrespective of culture

Let the Islamic mercenaries and other islamic groups have colourful units too but let green,black,pink and gray be slightly dominant(let the dominance of colors be toned down)

For example here is something that should be clearer

Let the Vijayanagara army have it's recruits the way I've said above but it's islamic recruits,mercenaries and other levies keep their nature intact

Another example would be a mughal army with its units in the way I've said above...but it's Hindu recruits and other local levies reflect their culture..

So despite their own character each faction's army must also reflect it's own local allies and recuits and seem a little diverse

As a suggestion id say change the faction color of Delhi Sultanate as well to Black and give it's green colour to the Mughals

This would make them more distinctive

However regarding soldier colors I'm guessing a little bit here...I'd like to see what huzurat knows too

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24)music suggestions extra

Found some really cool war music by Kevin MacLeod in his albums

Oughta hear it....some of the tracks here are legendary

We need to ensure however we keep the extremely Eurocentric and modern war music away while keeping the milder music so it doesn't take away the eastern touch given by the tracks we suggested above..some of the best tracks will definitely work for battles since battles don't need any specifics to be intense

Some of the low key European music may work well in the menus as well

Some of the tracks can also work in 325 and 1725 mods

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Collection of epic history tracks

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KrishnaCN Excellent finds, I haven't added any new music to the mod yet but I will for the next release

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KingKorgoth
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62.Were Afghan mercenaries common in bengal/arrakan before the fall of the Delhi sultanate?

Well it depends on the perspective of the question....can u elaborate on the question a little bit

I cannot Speak for the Arrrakanese

But traditionally the Delhi sultanate doesn't "fall" until Ibrahim Lodi dies on the fields of Panipat in 1526.To be historically accurate the Lodi Sultanate is an extension of Delhi sultanate.So I don't know exactly what time period of Bengal u are referring to when u say before the fall of the sultanate...i dunno if u are talking about Ibrahim's fall or the decline of the sultanate in aftermath of Muhammad bin tughluq's death and Timur's 1398 invasion.

I think Afghans were common in bengal and eastern Indo Gangetic belt.

Muizz al din muhammad shahabuddin ghori's victory at Tarain 1192 paved the way for islamic rule in the subcontinent and opened a whole lot of opportunities for Afghans and other islamic adventurers around the world to serve in high posts and make a fortune for themselves

The eastern Gangetic belt was a hotbed for Afghans.It was for this reason that after trouncing the lodi Afghans at panipat in 1526 and khanwa in 1527,the last vestige of afghan resistance to Babur came from the far East where the Afghans built a grand coalition of Afghani sultans.Babur however put an end to their western aspirations at the battle of ghaghara.

Also little needs to be said about poor humayun's countless misfortunes at the hands of Afghans

Infact if I'm not wrong in the whole history of Pre Mughal india,all the north Indian muslim ruling dynasties(except Muzaffarids) are called Afghans ethnically.

Let me just put this in perspective..the eastern belt had a lot of afghan nobles.The Afghans were a force to be reckoned with in the east..so we must indeed rethink when Humayun gets criticised for his eastern campaigns.He committed a lot of blunders.But they must not blind us to the fact that they were a genuine legitimate and competent threat to any opponent.Humayun was not particularly bad at war(he was capable of blunders though) but he was lazy and indecisive.A characteristic feature of Humayun's early campaigns is that wherever he conquered be it Gujarat(for which he is not given enough credit) in the west or in the east he did not leave behind a solid mughal administration.He simply appointed his brothers as governors and this led to erosion of his authority.He also underestimated the Afghans led by Sher Shah..it was a gross miscalculation on his part.

Humayun was just 23 years old and inexperienced when he had to face the Afghans as well as Bahadur Shah(who was no slouch)...he was given to stretches of inactivity and he spent nearly a year in inactivity when he should have been campaigning.This laxicity and indecisiveness was a characteristic feature of his.He was also not as shrewd or cunning as his father was with the Afghans.Unlike his father or his rival Sher Shah he also lacked the thirst for bloodshed.Sher Shah could be cruel when he wanted to be.

Also he did not enjoy the full support of Mughal court in contrast to Sher Shah behind whom all the afghans rallied.Adding to this I think he had the worst kind of luck that any prince could have.Given the gravity of circumstances he faced in life it's surprising how he held his nerves and how he did not become an unbeliever.Infact its not at all surprising when he converted to Shia Islam under threat to life and pressure from Safavid Shah tahmasp.

A really interesting feature of these eastern Afghans was their matrimonial trends.The afghan women had right to their husband's property and were also allowed to remarry.This prevailing custom provided ample opportunity to any aspiring young afghan man to scale the political ladder by convenient marital ties.

widowed noblewomen were a suitable prospect and many men acquired their wealth through marriage.Whenever there was danger of confiscation of property the noblewomen could propose marriage to a powerful lord who could protect her rights.Farid or Sher Shah as we know him better was also one among those many men.So Afghans were a competent force here

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KrishnaCN
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answering the question as it is....Bengal itself as a province/vassal of the Delhi sultanate was established by Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khilji.Born in Afghanistan,he was an afghan mercenary born into the khalaj tribe and was probably Turkic in origin.If my knowledge isnt betraying me he was actually rejected for military service by the Delhi sultan(I think it was Sultan Qutb-ud-din Aibak) himself.Nevertheless he was highly determined and crafty.Using his genius he overthrew the ruling Hindu house of Bengal in a daring raid on the royal residence itself with a band of followers.The king fled the capital and over the years bakhtiyar strengthened his hold over Bengal.After carving out a niche for himself in Bengal he pledged nominal allegiance to the Delhi sultan but ruled as an independent defacto sultan in Bengal.

Also it was a practice among powerbrokers/pretenders who had great ambitions in the sultanates to call their fellow tribesmen from their natives to settle in Hindustan so that they could develop a clout/faction for themselves and whose reputation they could rely upon in times of crisis and coups.

It was not uncommon for slaves and commoners who ascended the throne as sultans to call their fellow clansmen to Hindustan and resettle them here

Sultan Bahlol Lodi,also an Afghan came to India as a horse trader.When he ascended the throne after forcing sayyid alam Shah to abdicate,he also called in his tribesmen to settle in India

So while muizz and his slave aibak were responsible for establishment of Islamic rule in North india,an Afghan Mercenary Bakhtiyar was singlehandedly responsible for firmly establishing islamic rule in Bengal.

Actually when seen in the context of being afghan,Ghori himself was an afghan.His tribe hailed from the ghur mountains in Afghanistan.

Also,Bakhtiyar established islamic rule in Bengal somewhere in the early half of the 13th century...we are talking about nearly 300 years by the starting time period of the mod.An entire generation of Afghans would have settled here for years.Many of them considered themselves Hindustani.

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65.any idea for berar and kozhikode flags?

I havent come across any source for Berar's flags atleast until now.There is not much info about these smaller sultanates.So we'll have to go with a guess.

Any random color with crescent should do i guess

The founder of the Imad shahis was a kenarese hindu convert.Thats the only thing about the origin ..which doesnt give us much.

As for kozhikode....i remember lionheartofengland shared a popular myth or legendary story about a sword or something given to the zamorin...that could be a good idea....maybe he could post that under flags and faction colours article(https://www.moddb.com/mods/india-total-war/news/research-and-development-faction-colors-and-flags)
where i've already posted the previous discussions on other factions(Vijaynagara,Mewar,Marwar,Gajapathi,Mughal,delhi,gujarat,malwa,bengal and Mysore etc)

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