New Militia Armors image - Gothic 2 - Requiem mod for Gothic II - The Night of the Raven

Thorusus
OMG!! Why not? Jesus! It's a nice medieval styled armor.
The medium and light militia vanilla sets are totally CRAP!!
Why not use some other sets that fit Gothic's universe instead?

In the medieval era, levies, soldiers and militia usually wore light leather armors because they are cannon fodder, not experienced warriors, you can't spare to equip expensive plate armors knowing a great deal of them would die against orcs. They mostly serve as security, their uniforms serving mostly as a badge of office more than an armor, while still providing minimal protection, as their duty mostly consists in patrolling the city, maybe the island sometimes. (note that the mercenary rebellion was not anticipated, the militia are not warriors and it was not their primary purpose to fight in a battle. It only became a necessity after the orc invasion and the farmers' uprising and it would take a lot of time and money to first train them for that then equip them properly for it)

Thorusus
I'm not saying you're wrong on your historical reference or totally right about what can be done ingame, cause it's debatable.

First, we should agree that this is a nice and realistic medieval styled armor set, together with the other one we see (light set) in latest videos, and thus, they fit nicely Gothic's universe!

Now, about how justified is the use on militia. Well, that specific set is the heavy one and i guess only few npcs belonging to militia will have it. I have very long time to play Gothic, but from what i remember only few named militia npcs had the heavy set, which were well trained warriors, so all is fine on a role play point of view. The rest of the guards can have lighter versions ofc.

Also, the fact that island of Khorinis is in deep **** (as we see ingame and you also described), justifies even more the need of a better equipment than the leather-cloth crap we see in vanilla, especially on light-medium sets! In fact, that was the reason (dark times in Khorinis) for which i asked long time ago from Vic7im to increase the number of Pala-knights in the city but that's another story...

And for the end, since you have done your homework on history, tell me pls, how realistic and justified is the fact that NONE of the melee npcs ingame (except Paladin order) have NO head protection at all? And don't tell me, that according to history poor trained soldiers had no head protection, cause what a warrior, in every time period, must protect first, that's his HEAD!
I'm asking you that last thing, though initially this is not part of our discussion, cause this is an important mistake that PB did (which is relevenat to what we are talking), and unfortunatelly some ppl, though Vic7im was planning to give some nice helms (which is the right thing to do), did not want it!

Mods like this, is a great opportunity to fix mistakes on vanilla games, and every experienced mod user knows very well how many flaws-mistakes a v.game can have, as long as you have the ability and knowledge to track them down.

GothicManiac
First, I'd like you to calm down, maybe I'm wrong but you seem angry against me for my reply, we're here just to discuss, not to fight :D
Second, I would totally be okey with the militia wearing a breastplate made of iron/steel which would be more protective, but nothing more than that, a FULL PLATE ARMOR, like the one shown in the picture, is strictly reserved to Knights/nobility (in history) because you either need to be able to afford it, be a noble to justify your very advanced rank in the army or show incredible valor in combat (or otherwise), which would automatically make you a Knight. You might not realize it but FULL armor plate costs shitton of money and time (swords who take less time are already a pain in the ***, we find out that Harad, the town smith, has been forging swords for paladins DAY & NIGHT ever since they came, so I doubt he would have time to equip the militia with full plate armors even if they had the money to afford it), even equipping the ELITE of the militia (which in Gothic wear heavy armor too, not only officers, exemple being the patrols in the high town) would cost more than Khorinis's treasury can bear (Khorinis is poor indeed, because the trade has stopped, even food costs a lot). An iron/steel breastplate (aka only body armor) would be a good compromise between the poor financial status of Khorinis and the need of protection of the elites who will defend the town.

Third, you spoke about headgear and asked me to justify why the militia doesn't have any, but can't help but ask myself and you why did you bring this subject? I never talked about it, never said it was wrong and the picture here doesn't even contain headgear so you might say that "by saying no to this armor I'm also saying no to helmets". If Vic7im wants to add them, well who am I to stop him, I even wish him good luck. Then again, there is no need to say that PB made a huge mistake by excluding helmets, because if we go that way, they also excluded shields, horses, pikes etc... which are all an essential part of medieval warfare, however the reason might sometimes be as simple as "no time" or "the producers, being dicks, rushed the game", so instead of blaming PB who made the masterpiece that Gothic is, let's just suffice ourselves by fixing what can be fixed :D

Thorusus
First, who told you i'm mad at you, and especially for writing down your opinion? This kinda insults me, cause i don't have the right to act like you think i did, and i would be totally an arrogant prick if i was! I don't think i gave you or anyone else any reasons to think of that.
So, don't think about it. We all love this mod and yes, we are here to talk and help with our opinions. Cause that's what we are doing, otherwise it would be pointless to debate about anything. :D

Second, about what you said, we don't need to copy reality in every aspect of it. I mean, things like, if a militia officer can have a plate armor or not, cause uaually this was a Knight's set in reality, it's not an issue in a fantasy game. BUT things like, if soldiers must have shields or helms in a game like Gothic series, is important, cause affects directly the ingame realism and immersive feeling. Afterall, why do you think they changed that in G3? :)
Also, i said that only few militia officers should have that plate set, like in vanilla had the heavy militia armor. And if i'm not wrong, in G2 those npcs are maybe 2-3, even less... i don't remember well.
About the financial status of the city, ok, they have problem now, but it was not always like this. So again, we can assume that the militia heavy armors have been made during good times. It makes totally sence.

Third, about helms, i told you that initially this was not our subject here, i just wanted your opinion, cause i have this feeling that ppl do not want to see some necessary changes for the best, cause of some pointless nostalgia about vanilla things, which is not logical, at least not for me and thus, i cannot understand or justify it. Ofc, as you said, Vic7im have, and always had the final word in all this! We, by expressing our opinions, do not order him what to do ofc, just try to help him. There is a saying, "Two heads (minds) are better than one".

Yes, PB did some mistakes, and Vic7im luckily was able το fix some of those, like the lack of shields. And about horses, it's funny you mentioned it, cause you know, there is a mod that implements horses aswell... :))
I know what a masterpiece G1-2 is! I don'd need anyone to remind me of this but this does not mean that everything is perfect, right? Usually when someone points out some flaws, others assume that this person is blaming the producers in a bad way, trying to diminish them. Ofc, there are studios that deserve that for many reasons but not PB!
Here, because of our love of what PB created, we try to point out any flaws, hopping that Vic7im will be able to fix them, like he did!

p.s. "Innos, God of light, thank you for granting me, your humble servant, inner peace and enlightenment to face that evil, that wants to weaken our forces!".
Kidding...lol!