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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence - - 3,288 comments

Given how corrupt our government is right now.
I don't see how we're too far off from that picture.

(You can call me nuts for thinking that but that mindset really has made headway into this country especially given the last 8 years. And that's not just those on the political right, even Berni supporters are feeling betrayed after they found out how rigged the system was against them. When your own government has been bought out and the system set up against you the people, it's time to stop supporting it)

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ComradeWinston
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

There's a considerable difference between a colonial rebellion and 'Buck'(insert redneck here) the ******** who can't be bothered to pay some grazing fees.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence - - 3,288 comments

There's a considerable difference between a government for the people, by the people. And a government for wallstreet, by wallstreet. There's a elite ruling this country.

I guess you're gonna go ahead and fire away with only half the story but I'll be frank, the over regulation of the federal government and trampling on of states rights is abhorrent. You think this is something as simple as grazing fees, then with all due respect Winston you've been living under a rock the last decade.

Obama's bathroom mandate for example. He blackmailed all the states bypassing the courts and due process. Forcing them to either comply or lose federal funding. That was a clear violation of the United States Constitution. The way our system is designed by the founding fathers was too ensure the independence of states from the federal branch. If the Federal government can now control states through dependency, than it's really no different than Democrats using welfare and promises of entitlement to get votes. It's unfair, unconstitutional, and blackmail. What will be bathrooms today, will be far more serious tomorrow. They slip it in, a little at a time.

My honest opinion? If this is how Federal grants will be used. Than I'd rather states scrape by on their own with as little federal help as possible if not none at all.

Or need I go to something more serious like the Patriot Act, and how spying on American's is now a accepted way of life here. What will it be tomorrow I ask of you? What happened to our rights and privacy? What further freedom will be lost in the name of security? Frankly we deserve neither security nor freedom by the logic we're operating now.

But you're not a Constitutionalist, so I know you don't care. Talking to a modern day progressive liberal about the United States Constitution is like talking to a caveman about Trigonometry. There are actual idiots in our educational institutions now who'd sign petitions to ban our first amendment. So much for best and brightest!

I mean, the Constitution, it's the founding document our entire political and courts system is based around. But woe unto me for bringing up the fact we're a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy. WOE unto me for trying to honor what our country was founded on. You want a revolution, you just might get one now.

I prefer America be 50 states of freedom. Each state with their own way of doing things, able to test what works and what doesn't under the guidance of the Constitution. That is the best way this country could operate under such individuality. Some states will interpret the Constitution differently than others, but in the end if you don't like that state, MOVE TO ANOTHER! It's as simple as that.

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ComradeWinston
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

You lot are so damned adorable. Of course the oligarchy most simply described as "Wall Street" is dismal, why else would there be groups pushing to make an amendment explicitly banning the private funding of elections. That you find it relevant to regurgitate the intentions, of these demigods who intentionally established a plutocratic republic in abject fear of the masses having their way in those days when education wasn't common... there are no words.

Oh christ, the bathroom thing. Could you summon something less vital to the prosperity of the most powerful country on Earth than 'boohoo, someone who identifies as another gender wants to use a different bathroom.' If it were such a blatant violation he'd be getting impeached by a most giddy Republican congress right now. Why you would expect anything less, in an era when equality is the word of the day is well beyond me. This is a single nation, not a confederation of nations and thus it is the duty of the President to serve the will of this democracy.

That would be a perfectly good point, if not for the fact that Republicans and conservative Democrats are the ones who voted for the damned thing. And of course I'm no constituionalist, I don't worship governmental systems sheerly because some dipshits established it a couple centuries ago. But to call me a progressive liberal is nearly an insult, I simply refer to myself as a socialist and reject the politically correct centrist drivel that is liberal progressivism.

Heh, talk about government worship. There's this weird concept called the will of the people, otherwise generally referred to as democracy. Backwards little troglodytes, fearful of change as yourself are a muse indeed. There's nothing to say in regard again and again about a single nation's constitution, for the same reason that it is irrelevant to drone on about Jesus or Allah--pieces of the infidel be upon him. You **** your pants at the thought of a powerful government, ruled more directly by the will of a people yet you happily let a few powerful bastards have massive amounts of political power.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence - - 3,288 comments

Oh Winston, you're forgetting something. It's that very will of the people that won't always be right and can be abused. The United States of America, IS NOT A DEMOCRACY, we're a Constitutional Republic bound by our Constitution which gives clear rights to the people and state governments.

The fact, you consider us a Democracy goes to show how little you actually know of how our system was designed. We are not ruled by a King, nor are we ruled by a Senate or Congress. They, are all under the rule of our Constitution. If they violate it, they no longer represent us. It's for the people, by the people.

We are not a mob's order Democracy. That's the purest from of Democracy there is and it's how someone like a Adolf Hitler can take power. People can't vote someone like that in because our Constitution prevents such a person from enacting laws and legislation which is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Laws that violate our God given civil rights, liberties, and privacy. You throw aside that document, than you've basically just allowed someone like Donald Trump to deport every Mexican in America and likewise initiate mass surveillance of all citizens he deems a problem like Muslims. Why? Because the majority willed it and Trump answered. The entire reason we have the rights we do right now is because of that document, which prevents violations of people's rights even if the majority wishes to do so. Once it's gone, there will be nothing to protect you if they decide to come for you. You won't even have guns to fight back once they take away the second amendment through the crap they're trying to enact now as a result of their "fear mongering". Under the Constitution, everyone is to be permitted the right to own a firearm and protect themselves regardless of people's prejudice out there.

I don't worship the government at all. I despise it, I wish it to have as little power as possible given how fond people given power are of abusing it.

Likewise, you've missed the entire point of why I brought up the bathroom mandate. It's not the bathrooms themselves I have a problem with, it's how he brought it forth through bypassing the courts and blackmailing all the state governments. That was a Imperial mandate. I don't care what you think personally Winston about bathroom rights, I care about the fact we have a Emperor in office. If he can do that now, imagine what in the future he'll mandate on that isn't so to your liking. Imagine if it was Trump instead of Obama doing something I know you'd disagree with.

If you really care about this country, you'd be worried like myself about the fact power is being shifted to elitists and a corrupt government over the American people. This election, if anything, has shown us just how disgusting and sick the system is right now. That should be a top priority concern for ALL OF US.

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ComradeWinston
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

Good gods, you take the term "democracy" far too literally. Its very well observed that a democracy is any system that is heavily influenced by popular vote. You're not going to get anywhere with rigid dictionary nonsense. Its a constitution, the will of representatives of a people. There is no series of sacred stone tablets, etched by a senile schizophrenic sitting in Congress or the White House. There are over twenty amendments to this perfect 'holy' document.

Alright, wonderful. It can be amended either by congress or a constitutional convention held by the states. Trump would have similar power in any other western nation or perhaps far less given the excessive power and total lack of restraint the US military has. Though how the head of the most powerful nation on this ball of rock is an "emperor" by sheer virtue of threatening to withhold money over something ridiculous to oppose is well beyond me. Context is everything, so if Obama's an Emperor then I'm the ******' King of Atheism.

So your solution to protect the government is to disempower it so thoroughly that no private entity, which would by virtue of there practically being no government simply fill the void, thus solve the problem of those completely unchecked private powers corrupting the government by making it virtually irrelevant. Hurrah, total anarchy spare the presence of a police force and some guys with buckets to stop cities from burning down. Enjoy your half-assed unregulated products, shady business models, and plenty of food poisoning.

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Mike Pence Author
Mike Pence - - 3,288 comments

It is well observed that a Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are 'elected' as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens. That is the current form of government in the United States. You seem to think that popular vote is the God of our system when it is anything but. We take democratic principles, but we are not a democracy. It is important to understand that difference.

It's not that simple.

The United States Constitution is unusually difficult to amend. As spelled out in Article V, the Constitution can be amended in one of two basic ways. First, amendment can take place by a vote of two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate followed by a ratification of three-fourths of the various state legislatures or conventions in three-fourths of the states (ratification by thirty-eight states would be required to ratify an amendment today). This first method of amendment is the only one used to date, and in all but the case of the 21st Amendment, state ratification took place in legislatures rather than state conventions. Second, the Constitution might be amended by a Convention called for this purpose by two-thirds of the state legislatures, if the Convention's proposed amendments are later ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures (or conventions in three-fourths of the states).

Because any amendment can be blocked by a mere thirteen states withholding approval (in either of their two houses), amendments don't come easy. The very difficulty of amending the Constitution greatly increases the importance of Supreme Court decisions interpreting the Constitution, because reversal of the Court's decision by amendment is unlikely except in cases when the public's disagreement is intense and close to unanimous.

Trump, is not going to get 38 states to agree with him. People with common sense will prevent that. You give the Constitution and our founding fathers too little credit.

Though how the head of the most powerful nation on this ball of rock is an "emperor" by sheer virtue of threatening to withhold money over something ridiculous to oppose is well beyond me.


You could try the fact he did it through bypassing our entire judicial system. All he had to do was threaten no more funding, and they'd obey or go broke. Simple as that. This is why it's best we aren't so dependent on the feds.

The federal government has a role in society, it's just that state governments do a far better job in the domestic role than them. Because states actually know the wants and needs of their people better than the federal government. What the Feds can do, is regulate commerce among the several states and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. Outside of that, raising an army, establishing uniform national laws on naturalization and on bankruptcy, coining money and regulating its value, issuing patents and copyrights, and making treaties. On top of that, Congress can make laws that don’t fall within this list of powers but are “necessary and proper” to carry them out.

The Federal government, is not to interfere in the private lives of Americans. State legislatures make the laws that govern the states. Unlike the U.S. Congress, which deals with issues like foreign policy and national security, the state legislatures handle more of the issues that affect constituents in their day-to-day lives: marriage and family law, wills and estates, penal law and state infrastructure. The state legislatures establish the state budget; the way in which the government allocates money during a fiscal year. This creates a layer of overlap with the federal government because the state legislature decides how to fund federal programs. A state legislature checks its governor in much the same way the U.S. Congress checks the president. It can override vetoes, impeach government officials and amend the state constitution. It's anything BUT total anarchy.

Our system is just that damn good, the problem is people have allowed it to fall into disrepair due to ignorance and lack of teaching on something as basic as our Constitution in the educational system. Which is allowing corrupt sleazebags to wiggle their way around our system for their own gain.

If you ask me, Constitution 101 should be a mandatory class.
For every American, regardless of race, sex, or creed.

Am I done lecturing? I can give you that final exam now if you want.

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TheUnbeholden
TheUnbeholden - - 3,614 comments

"the problem is people have allowed it to fall into disrepair due to ignorance and lack of teaching on something as basic as our Constitution in the educational system."

Bit more than that. The most obvious start would be to ban executive orders.

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Guest
Guest - - 693,134 comments

THE US Constitution says we "Have the Right and the Responsibility - To remove and replace our government when it fails to protect our Civil Rights & Stay out of our lives!
That is why the 2nd Amendment says we have the RIGHT to own and use Weapons of War!
BTW, - any violation is cause to exorcise our 'Responsibility'

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