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Well the Xbox One is revealed. With it, information too.
What we know so far is that the system seems to be continuing with the way of the 360 (focusing on general entertainment)and has a Windows 8 interface to boot. The worst news however is that pre-owned games require a fee to be played on your console. This is just a money making scam from an already rich company and one I cannot support. Asides from containing the same features as the PS4 (ability to record your games and share your stuff on the go) it doesn't seem the Xbox One offers much different. So for me it seems the PS4 is *the* next generation console to buy (unless Sony announces at E3 that they are performing the same scam). The PS4 also seems to have the best exclusives such as Deep Down, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Infamous: Second Son, Quantic Dream's game after Beyond: Two Souls and there is of course an offline Diablo 3.
The most interesting of these seems to be Deep Down, Capcom's second recent action-RPG in development since the wonderful (if somewhat flawed) Dragon's Dogma (which I recommend especially with the re-release - Dark Arisen - which adds around 30 hours of new content in a new land with a dark atmosphere and new enemies). The trailer for it suggests co-op play, survival elements and awesome gripping combat. If it's as fun as Dragon's Dogma and contains co-op then it's going to be a blast. With The Witcher 3, Diablo 3, Cyberpunk 2077 and Deep Down on PS4, it seems like it's the console to be for RPG's now. I'm pretty sure Sony will retain their current PSN service to boot too. Which means free online gaming.
I had the original Xbox 1 and brought the 360. After the Xbox One reveal and information, I've decided to switch over to the PlayStation finally and purchase a PS4 sometime next year. The 360 was a weak computer in comparison to the PS3, the exclusives ended up being rubbish in the later year (at least most of them) and the fact that you had to pay to play online sucked. I won't make the same mistake with M$ again.
Though I'm more of a X360 fan than PS3, I don't plan on buying any of these. PC is the best games console one could have and if it isn't enough for the little free time I have, my X360 will do the job.
There's really no need to make the switch just because something's new, specially when what you already own is good enough.
Apparently the 360 will be "vibrant" for many years to come. Whatever that means and M$ are announcing something "huge" for it at E3. Sounds like it'll end up being like the PS2. So I applaud M$ for the fact that it isn't simply just ditching the 360. I'm guessing it's going to become something of their budget machine. Hopefully there are still some releases on it.
I actually brought a desk top which can play the latest games but there are joys that only a console can bring and there's also the very few exclusives which warrant a purchase of the system itself because of how many hours they provide. Dark Souls has provided me with over 200 hours alongside Dragon's Dogma (another 200 hours). Dark Souls is now on PC but the port is poor.
Not all PC games have controller support either and if it's not moddable then you might as well buy it for console. There's also the fact that mainstream games have DRM on PC while they don't have such on consoles. So there's still those benefits there. Also my friends play on consoles so switching completely to PC means I won't be able to play with them.
I will still keep my PC atm... but if I had to pick PS4 or Xbox One, I guess that I would pick the PS4, specially because the exclusives and you will not be forced to be connected with the internet all the time even if you don´t want to play offline.
Basically it´s the same thing which would happen if I got a console of the "past" generation. All the Xbox exclusives could be resumed on Halo (which is a series which I don´t really like much, a bit overrated imo), and Gears of War. While this, PS3 got Uncharted, God of War, MGS5, Infamous and even Little Big Planet... Without the need to pay for online gameplay...
why do people need a console? basically next gen consoles are just a really bad computer. I can browser the internet, use skype, watch movies, record gamplay, etc. all on my computer:) so why would I need a console? and if I wanted to play on a larger screen I could technically either haul my pc to the tv, or try streaming gameplay over my local wifi to my laptop which would be connected to my TV and PS3 controller (kainy or nvidia shield should support that) unfortunately I own both a wii and a ps3 since i bought them when i didn't know much about computer yet. now however my wii is hacked (by me) and i used my ps3 controller to play poor pc ports:) (ie most of the AC series) if for some reason I was buying a console i would DEFINITELY buy the PS4. but like i said my pc can do just about everything a console can do....
oh and since some console players think that a gaming pc costs $1000+ I though i should include these videos: Youtube.com Youtube.com
Well I gave a few reasons above why having a console can provide benefits. There's also spilt screen multiplayer.
i hate split screen multiplayer. and generally speaking most pc games can be modded, and those that do have poor pc port are usually compatible with motioninjoy or are capable of being modded. both solutions are good cures for consolevitis:D however if consoles died, we (the pc elites) would get good quality games that were not held back by consoles.
Still...
+No DRM on games.
+Controller.
+Instantly playable games.
+On your television (I know you can do this with the PC but more wires are required).
+The exclusives.
+Arcade titles without the need of having to go through the trouble of finding an Emulator. Besides I've looked for Symphony of the Night for the PC via Emulator and can't find it anywhere. I can play it on the 360 though.
So in general there's more convenience at least I find that to be true. No CD key that needs to be entered. No installation. No DRM.
PC...
+Moddable games.
+Longer life to games as servers stay up longer for multiplayer and mods extend their life.
+Better graphics on games and PC exclusives aren't dumbed down for controllers so you often end up with more options in them and better quality.
+Greatest library of games.
+I can play games from years ago on current computers. I can't play many Xbox 1 games on the 360 and Xbox One isn't even backwards compatible.
Xbox One though requires installation for games and appears to have some sort of DRM. So those console benefits don't apply for it.
Well sorry but some of those points are wrong. Consoles have some DRM, true it's much less than what the PC elite get targeted with, but they still have DRM. The new Xbox will have to check in every 24hrs. And most games for current gene consoles require you to have a disk inserted. Which is technically a form of DRM, it's poorly made since its super easy to work around it on a PC:) also companies like CD Projekt Red(I hope I didn't misspell their name) are constantly trying to get PC DRM free:) check out their DRM free store gog.com so although I agree with that point to a certain degree I wouldn't claim consoles are fully DRM free, and I think PC will be DRM free before consoles will if the witcher 3 ends up being VERY successful, and somehow proves to EA that DRM hurts games and games without DRM can do just as well if not better. Although knowing EA and their stupidity, they will sooner go under than change. Also piracy fixes DRM issues:) it's ironic since that's what DRM is intended to stop but pirated copies have to kill some of the DRM to be playable which as a result makes them somewhat or sometimes fully DRM free.
Now I have connected my ps3 controller to my PC although there aren't any games worth playing with a contoller these days:( except for bad ports and racing games a mouse and keyboard excels in almost all fps, rpg, and rts games. Which are mostly the ones I play. I would hate having to aim a fire arm with a controller, and RPGs would take way too much time with controllers. I doubt why controllers would be bad for rts games has to be explained......
What do you mean by instantly playable games? (No install??? Since if so a SSD will make your life better:) also loading speeds on consoles are so slow!!! Or my SSD along with the witcher 2 made me expect nothing but no loading screens)
Nvidia shield will allow games to be easily streamed from your PC to your tv, according to linus's livestream last Friday. (Check the archive on on YouTube, his channel is linustechtips)
If people refused to buy consoles there would be no exclusives:)
Lastly you have no idea how much I dislike arcade games, they just don't seem fun to me:)
That's the DRM of Xbox One. Where's the DRM of the 360, PS3 and PS4? I think you missed my last part attacking the Xbox One for *that* very reason. It now has DRM but not the 360 and (as far as we know) the PS4 doesn't either.
"Lastly you have no idea how much I dislike arcade games, they just don't seem fun to me:)"
Then you need to play some Castlevania, Contra and the old platforming games like Mario and Sonic (mind you, you can get those on handhelds).
The Xbox will yet again hold back gaming. The PS4 will yet again be the gamer's console but even more so now. And the PC will of course continue to be harmed by the same company which probably made most of your operating systems.
The fascist ******** Microsoft is pulling with having to pay to play a used game, DRM, and so on is pathetic money grubbing.
PC as always, could never get the hang of those stupid console controllers anyway. Besides, I prefer looking at actual graphics as they were made to be rather than slime dripping down my screen. -_-
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The only real reason to buy either of these is for the console exclusives.
Tsss... Consoles are no competition for the PC. Im mean, once a console is released it is at the level of a high end PC system, well not really, but compared between hardware and money as well as the performance... One year later the PC is mostly above the consoles again. The only way for a console to be a real competition in both gaming platform and media center is to become a PC. And I think that will be the final goal after all.
I never had a game system before... nor do I feel the need to ever get one. (most of those systems are not easily backward compatible)
PC games forever!!! Or even better, online flash games!
I'll probably get the PS4, but PC will always win!
What's a console?