The Battle of Evolution Peninnsula Thread - The Debating Society

this is in response to Moddb.com
since i dont feel/dont have time to write up a full response i'll link to a great video that covers this topic.
Youtube.com
its less then 10mins long.

well as we all know noahs ark didnt happen, its a myth.

so animals didnt need a magic way to get to north american, cuz they have been there since the continents were one big mass acouple hundred million years ago.

havent even though of takin that dumb story seriously since i was 4, and even then i knew it didnt make sense
here are the other images from the atheist group that back me up
Media.moddb.com
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these images clearly show how dumb the flood story really is
cheers

There's tons of suportive facts for the flood. Much more then for the earth being a hot molten mass for sure.

no, actually there is lots of support for that,... its called lava

thre is no real flood proof real scientists just look at the geologic record and go O, there was a plate shift there and the sea spilled in, or a glacial dam broke there or o 50million years ago there was a sea there.

no flood not even a chance, not even a consideration.
its just a myth, a story like harry potter, only far older and encourages daughters to have sex with there fathers, so not even avery good story.
I feel very strongly that anyone who believes the flood myth is fact shouldnt be allowed to breed- because they will probebly screw there sister seem its clearly encouraged by the bible, and we dont need anymore genetic diseases cause by imbreed idiots.
and yes I am being mean today, because the flood story is the dumbest story in the bible, dumber than eden, dumber than all the other magic crap that you claim is real. and everytime i hear someone try to claim it as fact a little part of me dies, and realizes mankind is doomed, because so many of us must clearly be retarded to believe such crap- and then i realize that if we believe such crap we deserve to be doomed- because it shows we arent fit enough to survive.

And do you want evidence? hear

Theologicalscribbles.blogspot.com
Talkorigins.org
Bibleinterp.com

hear is a pic showing that historically its impossible
Orange-street-church.org
civilizations existed right on threw your so called flood-
It didnt happen is a myth a stuipid story that hopefully in a few generatios will be forgotten, because all it does is subvert science and incourage inbreeding with close relatives- so it is destructive and need to be forgotten.

"its just a myth, a story like harry potter, only far older and encourages daughters to have sex with there fathers, so not even avery good story."
wait what? were is that written!
"I feel very strongly that anyone who believes the flood myth is fact shouldnt be allowed to breed- because they will probebly screw there sister seem its clearly encouraged by the bible, and we dont need anymore genetic diseases cause by imbreed idiots.
and yes I am being mean today, because the flood story is the dumbest story in the bible, dumber than eden, dumber than all the other magic crap that you claim is real. and everytime i hear someone try to claim it as fact a little part of me dies, and realizes mankind is doomed, because so many of us must clearly be retarded to believe such crap- and then i realize that if we believe such crap we deserve to be doomed- because it shows we arent fit enough to survive."
first if someone believes in the flood then they also obey the commandments God gave the Israelites, therefore nobody would be inbreeding.
second, anyone who denies there was a flood is retarded. (btw im just saying that because of what you said, normally i dont judge people in such a way)
"no, actually there is lots of support for that,... its called lava"
okay and there is lots of support for the flood too...its called sediment, (like the stuff we see at grand canyon) the oceans, and flood legends
Creation.com

when i read:
"Why is there no evidence of a flood in ice core series? Ice cores from Greenland have been dated back more than 40,000 years by counting annual layers. Why doesn't evidence for the flood show up?"
i almost laughed, this person really shows he knows very little. those layers are just warm/cool records, you can get several warm/cool periods in the same year.
Creation.com
otherwise a few of the points are fair points (most are lame and straw man arguments) but i linked to a website which points out the how the flood DID happen.

"hear is a pic showing that historically its impossible
Orange-street-church.org
civilizations existed right on threw your so called flood-"
before and right after the flood EVERYONE spoke the same language. how much have we accomplished when the common trade language is English for the past few decades? (i would say we accomplished A TON of stuff!!) so when they all spoke the same language it was easy for them to complete almost anything. still it would require some 10000-100000 people which isnt impossible considering the life spans (average: 400-800 years, it lessened a few generations after the flood due to a less healthy environment)

except we have proof they didnt speak the same language, and those are different races impossible if the flood was true
so it cant be true.

yeah and they just so happen to be right after babel too. they got their knowledge before babel and kept it long enough to become a powerful ruler. its a better theory then apes becoming humans.

actually it isnt, see evolution explains race and why it happened, and there has been different language for as long as there has been civiization.
and humans share almost all our genes with apes, so actually its far more reasonable then a big stuipid boat and also the fact that the only people who dont believe in evolution are religious idiots who are trying to prove there archeaic backwards faith just proves me right even more.
See you just showed your real reasoning- you don't like the idea of being decended from apes
o and babel is a stuipid story, building a tower to heaven please.
we have genetics, gelology, physics biology anthropology, zoolology and every other science on our side- you have one dumb little book, a fairy tale so don't try and claim yours is more logical because that is a lie.

creation also has genetics, geology, biology, etc on its side. its just a matter of interpreting the evidence:) which proves my point that evolution is an interpenetration which excludes God. Christianity believes in what God told us. since really WHO was there at the beginning? (GOD) so shouldn't the eyewitness (and creator) be the most logic pick? of course you'll try to disprove God, since thats the base of my past few sentences:D
do you know that a donate and a car tire look ALMOST the SAME!!! revolutionary they must have had a common ancestor! (very similar is your similar is your genes argument:D) Noah's ark was a huge ship meant to preserve life. the flood was a terrible event in which the continents rose and fell, plate tectonics began, the oceans were made, and LOADS of sediments were deposited. and if only "religious idiots" believe in creation, then WHY do people become Christian? and I'm talking about people with geology degrees, biology degrees, etc! there is tons of educated people that see the stupidity of evolution, so why do you constantly deny that?

an interesting article on linguistics and the tower of babel: Creation.com
also i heard somewhere the the Chinese written word(symbol) for tower is the combination of words(symbols) syllabifying the materials for the construction of the tower. (ie. people, clay/bricks, etc)

creation.com is the biggest pile of shit ever created, its nothing but crap.
I refuse to even look at it, because the sear ignorance of it makes me to jump off a damn bridge because i cant believe any human being would be so ignorant and foolish to believe it.

the people who dont believ evolution are morons, it doesnt matter how many degrees they have because there all creationista nd trying to force there stuipid religin in the place of science.
and you clearly know nothing of genetics
if something is related genetically its related THAT IS FACT, of course creationist dont understand that because they think screwing there sister to make babies is a good thing.
People become christain because they are scared of dying and cant execp reality.
because reality sucks and they want to be taken care of
its not because there is a god, there isnt never was and as far as i can tell never will be- religion was great when we lived in caves and screwed are sisters but now we dont need it, its over and done. someday religion will die, and will be happily forgotten, it will take time but it will die as all paraites do.
You can believe the fairy tales if you want- but its not science its wrong and in my eyes evil- and I dont want any part of it and i will ight to the DEATH to keep your crap out of science because the day that it is accepted as science is the day that humanity goes back to the stone age or preferable to extinction, because humanity would no longer have any worth or right to call itself intelligent and it would be best if it just died.

What's wrong with you Deer? There's no need to shout at ElfFriend when he's being respectful and civil to you. And seriously what do you base your arguments upon because you have ZERO statistics to back up your claims of "people only being Christian due to fear of death" which is complete bull-crap. Next you proclaim that there's no God as though you have evidence debunking God and pretty much every religion that has ever existed. Well c'mon then Deer. Let's hear this evidence because even Hawking can't debunk God.

"creation.com is the biggest pile of shit ever created, its nothing but crap.
I refuse to even look at it, because the sear ignorance of it makes me to jump off a damn bridge because i cant believe any human being would be so ignorant and foolish to believe it."
enough talk, i want to see PROOF that creation.com is worthless.

"the people who dont believ evolution are morons, it doesnt matter how many degrees they have because there all creationista nd trying to force there stuipid religin in the place of science."
there are people the were atheist that found God. my past science teacher used to be a complete atheist he was good at crushing the other peoples beliefs in God. he turned some away from God, except that because of science he was lead to God. he has a geology degree and i disagree with him on a few things, but he does believe God now. really evolution requires something to come from nothing. (aka the big bang) and since when does something come from nothing? can we observe it, test it, see it? no. (dont even try giving me quantum mechanics as an example, Moddb.com)

"and you clearly know nothing of genetics
if something is related genetically its related THAT IS FACT, of course creationist dont understand that because they think screwing there sister to make babies is a good thing."
you got to read Exodus 18!!!

"someday religion will die, and will be happily forgotten, it will take time but it will die as all paraites do."
might i just ask HOW you will be justifying yourself before God? also would you believe God if you were proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that creation, the fall, the flood, etc happened?

Edited by: Beskamir

it cant be proved,
just like you cant prove harry potter or starwars is a story nothing more nothing less.

and how would i justify myself before your god?
well one i dont have to it doesnt exist
2. if it did i would tell it the truth, it doesnt deserve to be worshipped and i would execpt my fate.

its just that simple

O and to adress your other points evolution isnt the big bang, so no- to different theories and m theory shows tat there was something and not just nothing, the act is the universe works without needing a creator- the math works so if a+b=c why would we add a+b+(god magic and crap)=c when its not needed and makes no sense? its like why would i try and say must be involved in rainbows when there is no proof, and no reason to believe it?

creation.com is worthless because it is written swith one goal in mind forcing your beliefs into science- thats why its wrong because its baised. no one else uses it for that reason its like claiming god is real because the bible says so and then saying the bible is right because god wrote it- thats crap and nobody takes it seriously. its like my Fred arguement- if I say Fred is real and facts support him and even if i give facts it doesnt matter because there baised in my favore and not accurate, same as creation com.
if you want us to take you seriously dont use creation com, we laugh at you. its only hurting you.
lets close this forum and move to private message, it would make this easier

Im wonderin why creation.com has so "many" PhD Scientists at all. But we might know some things that can indicate why.

- First of all, being a scientist doesnt make you rich and you have to work really hard for your PhD, probably doing jobs while you learn for it. So we have a money problem for those who want to fullfill their dream. Greed is a mighty emotion.
- Also being a creation scientists might be a lucrative job after all.
- The creationism community in the USA has alot of money and as we all know, money is a powerful weapon. A golden key can open any door.

So we now have someone who has money and someone who needs money. I / we need to investigate further, but for now its a hypothese, that could explain why creation.com has so many scientists. But those people are clearly missinterpreting and missusing scientific results for their own purpose, so it could indicate that those PhD owners have no real PhD in science to begin with and it is all fake to achieve credibility.

Edited by: Medusa_Zenovka

Alright we can take this to pm, but I'm too lazy to begin a pm when I can just as easily be here. (I'm extremely lazy....) anyways, I agree with you detonato! Money is the root of most evils. However what those phd scientist present is not wrong, it's just a different perspective of the EXACT same facts that evolutionists interpet to fit their theory. Everyone is biased, so we all interpet the facts differently. Also how can the sources that they quote be wrong? They quote a ton of creditable stuff! Honestly read what they say for the sole reason of seeing the other side, the other point of view! They got great articles with MUCH more creditable pictures then the Nebraska Man. These guys don't find a tooth(that may or may not be a pigs tooth) and draw a painting based almost entirely(minus the tooth:D) on imagination and claim its something it's not. Also there is a cool feature on their website that each week (I think) they answer an question that anyone can ask them. I know there's something like that, I'm just not exacly sure how it works.

Oh and starwars cannot be proven wrong because we do not see that far into space. The flood can be proven wrong because it's on this world. And since the flood is essentially a part of the foundation of the christian faith then it should be quite easy to see if Christianity is just randomly made up, or if it is actually possible. So far I have seen tons of evidence supporting the flood!! but you guys see the same facts and interpret them to fit a worldview without God. Stop trying to erase the line inbeetween the fact and the interpetation. (I know I'm guilty of that too....) anyways we both consider our interpretations right and the others interpetation silly. (otherwise we would not be here debating:D)

Even Dawkins himself said that evolution has NOT been observed. I mean if it's not observable, and testable the. It's not imperial science, therefor evolution CANNOT be considered science. (by the way creation cannot be considered science either, but before you guys jump at me going, "didn't you try to get creation to be science a while back?" know that I did that because if you guys consider evolution science then you must consider creation science. Both have interpretations supporting it. Which is why I proposed that idea:) since niethere was science and it would be biased to consider one science and the other not. Hopefully I didn't make too much mistakes, after all I'm ONLY human)
Anyways:
DAWKINS: Evolution has been observed. It's just that it hasn't been observed while it's happening.
Link: Pbs.org
(I suggest firefox and just searching the phrase. Or you can trust: Creation.mobi also tell me it the interview is accurate! Sorry about not getting a video link. I'll try finding something like that)

execpt evolution has been observed, En.wikipedia.org

there are other examples such as the bacteria that breaks down TNT, my mom was on the original research team, and hear name is on the patient along with several others- they artificially evolved the bacteria to suit there needs.

mutation, gene flow and even natual selection are all observable and tht is evoluion, creation isnt science its religion pretending to be science- like a man pretending to be a womon, no matter how much it claims to be what its not, it still has a penis.

I have never seen a creationist give a decent arguement. there "holes" are just misinformation, delusion, lies or ignorance.
evolution was and is based on the gatherings of the best and most reliable evidence we find data then try and understand it- thats how a theory works it must be tested and if it stands altered to be more acurate. evlution has survived over 100yrs an has been shown correct over and over. creationism is a unprovable relihious hypotheisis, it trys to find evidence to fit its goals (which isnt scientific) and its who goal is just to prove your god (which it cant it doent exist) its nothing more than propaganda because god dun it isnt a scientific idea its magic and superstition and crap.

The reason i refuse to see your side is because it would requre me to give up all my training in the scientifif method and believe in magic and fairy tales- which i refuse to do.
science as with evolution is very simple we observe a fact than try to explain it logically without magic- ALL the facts point to one and only one logical conclusion the earth is 4.5 billion years old and life evolved from an early single celled source. This is fact on magic on fairy tales no god dun it, at the end of the day science not faith is what matters. someday your religion like all others will die- it will be a forgotten memory just like all the ones before it. peopple will envent new and crazy religious fairy tales to replace it. but science will remain, so eiher you can sit in the ignorance of a dying religion- or embrace the light of truth. either way it doesnt matter, because science always wins myths and magic don't.

Science does always win which is why spontaneous generation is debunked. With that theory dead and destroyed, atheism has nothing to stand upon and is based upon blind faith. I can't believe spontaneous generation has even re-emerged (as abiogenesis) because even atheists admit that's it's nothing but a hypothesis without any evidence whatsoever.

Atheism.about.com

"The study of the naturalistic origins of life is called abiogenesis, and while scientists have not developed a clear explanation of how life might have developed from nonliving material, that has no impact on evolution." (I disagree. I think it does have an impact on evolution but there's no point me going back to old ground)

Science doesn't support the atheistic theory of the origin of life.

Studytoanswer.net

Biocab.org

"Abiogenesis means "origin by abiotic processes ". The concept refers to the "generation of living beings that start as inert systems, by means of inorganic autocatalytic processes." At present, this abiotic process no longer happens on Earth. We have not observed the emergency of living beings from inert materials."

Suite101.com

This article shows that Abiogenesis is pretty much a hypothesis with several theories based on assumptions of what *could* happen if it were correct.

In fact in my search for evidence of Abiogenesis, I found nothing.

Lmgtfy.com

And yet you tell me that intelligent design makes no sense? Intelligent design doesn't just concern the creation of the universe, it concerns the creation of life too and as all this information I have gathered for you should show; life only comes from life and spontaneous generation and abiogenesis have zero evidence. Now based on the fact of life only coming from life, one with logic and common sense must conclude that a creator existed who created the first life form because science has already concluded that life can't come from nothing.

So until you have evidence otherwise Deer, stop proclaiming your lies as factual. If you have evidence of atheism, then I'd like to hear it.

Edited by: KnightofEquulei

No Elf, we are not watching on the exact same facts just from different perspectives. Scientists know tested out how a global flood could make sense, but there is none. All water + ice on the word is not even nearly enough to cover all land on the earthes surface. However, here something about the origin of that story:
En.wikipedia.org

There are indeed many possible historical events for the source of this story, but you also have to understand that the humans 2000 BC and before didnt had the proper understanding of natural phenomenons, such as tsunamis, vulcano eruptions, solar and moon eclipses ect. Phenomenons we totally understand today were great divine mysteries of that time.

Imagine the great tsunami in Japan from 2010 (or was it 2011?) in Europe 2000 BC. What would the poeple of that time, withough any scientific knowledge, think of such an event? What would they write down to their books?

The pestilence for example was "the curse of Satan" or so, while we now know it is a viral infection caused by fleas of infected rats, which came to Europe by traders. Same about epilepsy, autism and physical handicaps which were declared to be Satans work, but now we know they are not.

In fact we know that a flood cannot form masive mountain or large canyons in a couple of days or years. We would have found the sedimentary deposition of them. It would be several hundreds of times more than a eruption of the yellowstone supervulcano could spit out, it would be devastatic and almost on life on earth could have survived it.

Myths are nice to think about, but they are not called myth for no reason.

And as for the topic:
We know for quite some time that the magnetic field of the earth changes its polarity over time and that animals which travel thousands of kilometers orient themself through that magnetic field. This brought birds, turtles and whales for example to other continents like america, australia ect.

yes and elf there are other problems with the flood, such as if there was that much water it would saturate the atmosphere making it impossible to breath we would literally drowned no the humidity.
also a wooden boat of those demetions wouldnt hold up epseccially using the tools and technology of that era.
and also the whole biology of the who story doesnt pan out- it wouldnt work. you could bring enough food for the herbavores and well lets not even get into carivores. not to mention there is atleat 100million species on this planet- it would be impossible to have all of them, not to metion what about plants?
A flool would have killed everything. back then it may have seemed like magic but now we know that plant could not have survived.

You ask why we don't execpt your faith? because its your faith not ours, and why would we execpt your when there are so many others that sound so much better than yours?
you seem to forget i was a christain, and left for VERY good reasons, and will not go back- because to me its wrong morally and ethically wrong.
Your tricks and lies cannot work because i know them all, because i used to spread them, and then i got educated and realized how much of a lying ass i had been, and how much trouble I had cause with my "Good" christain actions.
I will not execpt or even consider creationism because it is nothing more than christainity trying to force itself on others like it always does.
To try and force your religion on me through creationism is in my eyes an act of agreesion and tyrany an it proves evrything that i see wrong with christanity and christains.
and look up the two bacteria i mentoined- its interesting.

Not even an answer to my argument. All I see is Wikipedia and emotionally guided opinions.

Edited by: KnightofEquulei

please quit spamming the forum eccelsia, we are trying to have a dicussion here.

Deer_Hunter wrote: execpt evolution has been observed, En.wikipedia.org

first the bacteria is STILL A BACTERIA (http://creation.com/the-evolution-trains-a-comin) second, Creation.com Creation.com you should take a look at that:D

Deer_Hunter wrote: evlution has survived over 100yrs an has been shown correct over and over.

the reason why evolution is so popular is because people do NOT want to believe in God. (there will be scoffers in the end days that will be willingly ignorant) and (people will be like in the days of Noah...) both sentences are in the bible, i didnt look them up, but they are something like that if my memory is right. evolution is a highly mindless theory that people cling to only because the alternative is God, and that is simply unimaginable for God haters:(

DetoNato wrote: No Elf, we are not watching on the exact same facts just from different perspectives. Scientists know tested out how a global flood could make sense, but there is none. All water + ice on the word is not even nearly enough to cover all land on the earthes surface. However, here something about the origin of that story:
En.wikipedia.org

okay so how much water would you need to fill a regular FLAT baking pan? (very little right?) now before the flood the earth was much more even. meaning that the mountains were smaller and the valleys were flatter. so when the fountains of the deep broke open, (start of plate tectonics) continents sunk with water covering them. Skew-t.com how would you explain that? i would explain it by saying that the water rushed through that area at a fast speed during the rising and falling of continents (based on the psalm where it says that the water went up by the mountains and down by the valleys) anyways the flood is explained very well in this video: Youtube.com

DetoNato wrote: In fact we know that a flood cannot form masive mountain or large canyons in a couple of days or years. We would have found the sedimentary deposition of them. It would be several hundreds of times more than a eruption of the yellowstone supervulcano could spit out, it would be devastatic and almost on life on earth could have survived it.

okay explain to me then how En.wikipedia.org killed of the dinosaurs but frogs, butterflies and other INDICATOR species survived? the flood caused the MASSIVE amounts of fossils we see, along with the extinction of the dinosaurs. i read an great article about horse shoe bend not so long ago. Creation.com

deer_hunter wrote: yes and elf there are other problems with the flood, such as if there was that much water it would saturate the atmosphere making it impossible to breath we would literally drowned no the humidity.

ever heard of the ice age? it was most likely right after the flood and triggered by the flood. cool atmosphere+warm water=lots of evaporation and precipitation, which=ice age

Deer_Hunter wrote: also a wooden boat of those demetions wouldnt hold up epseccially using the tools and technology of that era.

your assuming that people were STUPID!! but they were not. the descendents of Cain for example were already being master smiths and musicians. Cain himself built a CITY! that doesn't sound like a bunch of dumb ape like humans to me...... also its possible that trees grew larger before the flood. also there was more land then water back then, (the water was under the earth) so it was easier to find materials. (hopefully Noah didnt need to have a building permit like these days:D)

Deer_hunter wrote: and also the whole biology of the who story doesnt pan out- it wouldnt work. you could bring enough food for the herbavores and well lets not even get into carivores. not to mention there is atleat 100million species on this planet- it would be impossible to have all of them, not to metion what about plants?

okay animals COULD have been put into hibernation by God, although there might have been an alternative. Creation.com Creation.com Creation.com Creation.com those links explain the majority of what im about to say so please take a look at them. so the carnivores COULD have been herbivores at that time (possibly before the flood) Noah did NOT have to take 100million species, all he took was 2 of each KIND, kind=/=species! the only part of your argument i consider actually new (nobody asked it before) is the plants point. Noah COULD have brought a bunch of seeds with him onto the ark, or the seeds floated around for about a year along with a bunch of other debris, and then they sprouted. that's a good point though, i found some info about that too:) Creation.com

Deer_Hunter wrote: You ask why we don't execpt your faith? because its your faith not ours, and why would we execpt your when there are so many others that sound so much better than yours?
you seem to forget i was a christain, and left for VERY good reasons, and will not go back- because to me its wrong morally and ethically wrong.
Your tricks and lies cannot work because i know them all, because i used to spread them, and then i got educated and realized how much of a lying ass i had been, and how much trouble I had cause with my "Good" christain actions.
I will not execpt or even consider creationism because it is nothing more than christainity trying to force itself on others like it always does.
To try and force your religion on me through creationism is in my eyes an act of agreesion and tyrany an it proves evrything that i see wrong with christanity and christains.
and look up the two bacteria i mentoined- its interesting.

so much for a civilized discussion....so we better not keep posting provoking and angry posts,(knight this is for you too) instead lets be civilized!!

Deer_Hunter wrote: please quit spamming the forum eccelsia, we are trying to have a dicussion here.

Then stop trolling the Child Abuse thread which I locked. Besides, I asked you several questions and proposed a completely civil argument against you and you haven't responded. It's not my fault abiogenesis is wrong while ID isn't.

ElfFriend wrote: knight this is for you too)

KnightofEcclesia wrote: What's wrong with you Deer? There's no need to shout at ElfFriend when he's being respectful and civil to you. And seriously what do you base your arguments upon because you have ZERO statistics to back up your claims of "people only being Christian due to fear of death" which is complete bull-crap. Next you proclaim that there's no God as though you have evidence debunking God and pretty much every religion that has ever existed. Well c'mon then Deer. Let's hear this evidence because even Hawking can't debunk God.

Yeah I think I was being civil...

Criticism of a belief isn't being uncivil BTW. I'm just wondering why I've got two atheists here simply ranting their opinions across as facts.

"God is fake. We spontaneously arose to life. End of story."

Sorry if I ask for evidence for that opinion and provide evidence against it.

ok elf i am sorry for yelling at you,

and as i said to eccelsia i never said anything about spountanious generation- YOU did. quite trting to put words in my mouth you self rightous idiot.

I will talk to you elf over pm,but this thread is being spammed and I am tired of lookin at it.

O and I d have proof your god isnt real
elf you asked for this earier i believe
1. There is no magic/ god is magic, no magic no god.
2. the bible is wrong- no flood no 6000yr od earth nothing (of course you dont believe that)
3. The bible contradics its self on free will
4. the bible is obsurd, it doesnt make sense i mean a flood? come on its crap
5. Scientology is more believable than chritainity, which shows it must be wrong because scientology is stuipid.
6.See no god hear no god= no god
7. people who talk to imnaginary friends are crazy
8.Fred is as plausible as god so by your logic fred is real
9. I wish there was a god, but wishes dont come true.
10. bible morality is perferse and rather evil.

overall if i had to choose a religion i would not go back to christainty because its wrong, its just that simple you cant prove your deity and i really dont care.
I just get tired of seeing eccelsia post insults at me evrywhere. I will be nice and stop calling people moron and saying that your living a lie if he stops saying the exact same thing.

but that doesnt change the fact that when we die there is nothing, and i know that for a fact.

cheers

O and dont bother posting here I wont be back
I am tired of being spammed and insulted while i try to talk to people.

You're the only one insulting people and you're acting like an idiot.

"I have proof god doesn't exist"

*goes on to list his opinions*

Are you trolling again? It wasn't funny last time or annoying. It was just plain stupid. Please stop.