This Group Only Exists For Changing Edain Mod's Current Mordor We welcome every kind of ideas tell us what kind of Mordor you want tell us why Mordor should change at last we may be able to destroy Edains Mordor taboo and all of us could feel the power of MORDOR...

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From butterfly Gaythaur to Dark Lord

From butterfly Gaythaur to Dark Lord

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Servant Of Morgoth, Mairon, Annatar, Artano, Gorthaur the Cruel, the Enemy, the Dark Power, the Great Eye (TA only), the Necromancer, the Lord of the...

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officialNecro
officialNecro - - 1,383 comments

I was just wondering, can you actually state any problems with Mordor and give those problems actual solution or are you just here to ramble on that Mordor is ****?

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Greatgoblin Creator
Greatgoblin - - 621 comments

Yes i can.The main problem with Mordor is its not one of the strongest lg faction.It has forced gamestyle and Mordor's ultimates are not fitting in my opinion.
Ofcourse grond is cool but i always perefer insta damage skills like rocks of mount doom.
Gorthaur is looking like a travestity and his transformations are useless except Annatar.
Molloc is totally useless too.
You are asking me this but as u can see every outbreaks or riots emerging becouse of mordor have u ever see any ppl arguing about lothlorien or imladris?

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officialNecro
officialNecro - - 1,383 comments

I see two valid problems so far that you've brought up:
1) The lack of AoE tier 4 spells
2) The usefulness of Gorthaur transformation
3)Mollok
The rest is nonsensical rambling which you will have to refine if you wish for me to debate those points too. But enough standing around, let's get talking.

1) I don't know if you've noticed but Edain has moved away from AoE spellbooks in general. The Arrow Volley being the last remnant of that. The reasoning behind that is that they no longer wanted battles to turn by simply using a single spell on the enemy army. They wish for players to use their powers in addition to their armies in order to trick the enemy. For example, summoning army of the dead is not always enough, the enemy can run away from it. However using Denethor's Farsight and summoning it behind the enemy while they are locked in combat is a real strategy. This the base of the reasoning behind the spellbook overhaul. Being able to use insta kill spells is terrible for game balance since it means that the enemy army can easily be killed and the tide of battle turn too quickly since you could then lead your rebuilt army into the undefended enemy fortress. In comparison, the Tier 4 powers (apart from Avalanche in my opinion) can be used to even deadlier effect as long as they are properly supported by other troops:
*Grond can level a base given that troops aid him to either soak up the damage or push the enemy forces back. And if the enemy focuses Gond then the army can push through and invest the base.
*Gorthaur: Gorthaur is one of the tankiest non-ring heroes out there, even rivaling the powers of Ring Heroes. His ability set is deadly and he can call up terrible allies using his Tol In Gaurhoth. Supported with a proper force he can level an enemy army and build up enough momentum to push your foe back into their base. His abilities also allow him to flee from combat if needed, buff the beasts he summons from his fortress and disable the enemy fortress (Annatar is OP).

2) Gorthaur's transformations. They may seem weak but all of them are good enough to be a hero on their own especially Annatar. His werewolf form can tear open enemy units and even minor heroes with deadly efficacy and can flee the battlefield quickly if needed. His bat for is extremely strong since it does not have the usual flying unit weakness to arrows sucking the strengh of enemy troops slowly.

3) I can agree with Mollok, he's useless that is for sure. I've been trying to get the ET to rework him since I started playing the mod. But just because they don't do it doesn't mean we have to resort to taking our anger out on others. You must push trough with thorough arguments and viable solutions. Not lash out, demanding that the ET make it better.

Things not considered as arguments:
- "Mordor is its not one of the strongest lg faction"
- "has forced gamestyle" Mordor has the most amount of units, that's ridiculous. You can play Mordor in so many ways.
- "Gorthaur is looking like a travestity"

All I see on the Edain page is a couple users causing trouble because their wishes are not executed. I have seen nothing that could be considered a proper debate where good arguments and interesting solutions are brought forward. The best way for change to happen is to make it easy on those that need to create that change, if we come up with solid concepts ET is more likely to implement them.

I will have a further look at the other arguments you have once you've properly presented them, taking facts from the game and not from your personal opinion. Gimme me stuff I can see for myself: unit stats,ability descriptions, ect...

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Greatgoblin Creator
Greatgoblin - - 621 comments

Dear Friend;

Firstly i adore you for your dedication to Edain Mod, you are a real long term companion it seems and i really understand and really appreciate that you are trying to influence your aspect to me for Edain Mod.
I understand that you dont want to argue about late game mordor but really it has no chance against a fully developed isengard, lothlorien or imladris.The idea of rush before they get fully developed idea is so boring and if there is smth really overpowered is mordor in lore ofcourse...
Forced gameplay yes becouse you need to spam spam and spam worthless units and you dont have any upgradable troops not even black orcs.Black Uruk hai must be the strongest breed of orcs but a fully developed isengard fighting uruk can shred them to pieces.
Morgul and dol guldur orcs are just spam units like regular orcs with extreme slighty powered.
Gorthaur's cosmatics are so out of place in my opinion he seems like a black lotus in orcs, it must be smth like overlord or war of the ring version of sauron and his skills must be like aragorn's with mass slayer skills thats goddam ultimate power for mordor.(I like Annatars look i just want to have an option when i get the past... ulti and it can be a mass curser/buffer annatar too)
At the end what im saying is mordor needs option for its ultimate and it needs some upgradable troops for best late game.
I left Edain brother becouse i hate to say that in my opinion i dramatically wish to be wrong Edain is dead. With Ea's quit i think spirit of Edain fade away too. Its not so important to try to change mordor now becouse mod is in trouble and ill not be a pain in the *** till they manage to get over it.
I even let edain forum and ill not make any comment till i saw the end of this days.
Thank you for your attention, as i said you are a good long term companion...

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Greatgoblin Creator
Greatgoblin - - 621 comments

Youtube.com
Oh **** that is the real ****!
They must use ****** orc models like this.

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LordMaus
LordMaus - - 1,268 comments

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Greatgoblin, if you want you can put these pictures to your archive here too^^.

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Greatgoblin Creator
Greatgoblin - - 621 comments

KK ill use them.

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The_Witch-King
The_Witch-King - - 325 comments

Dude, if you want anything to change in Mordor, Why dont you make a thread on moding union explaining your ideas and what you think is wrong with the faction instead of this group? Edain team is always open for ideas there.

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Greatgoblin Creator
Greatgoblin - - 621 comments

Brother thank you for u r attention.But i dont think Edain team cares ideas about mordor.A year has passed but they didnt care any idea about mordor.
There was a guy name was Azog he killed himself at MU but who listened?
He tryed so hard but totally faded.I dont think there will be any change about mordor in normal ways so maybe if ppl who wants to change mordor finds a place for being together and share their ideas maybe we will have a chance...

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hoho96
hoho96 - - 3,797 comments

If you believe that Edain doesn't care about community ideas, not about Mordor, then this defeats the whole point of this group in the first place.

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Greatgoblin Creator
Greatgoblin - - 621 comments

No ofcourse Edain listens the community.But when its about mordor they never change anything.

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