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I've decided to revise a tank comparison statistic post.
The tanks included are:

  • M1A2 SEP (USA)
  • T-90/T-90A (Russia)
  • T-80U (Russia)
  • Challenger 2 (UK)
  • Leopard 2A6 (Germany)
  • K1A1 (South Korea)
  • Type 96 (China)
  • Merkava Mark III (Israel)
  • Leclerc (France)

I have rated them on 3 criteria, protection, lethality, and mobility.

Protection (Frontal Turret Armour Rating)


M1A2 SEP
vs HEAT: 2220mm
vs APFSDS: 1500mm

T-90 + T-90A
vs HEAT: 650mm (1250mm on K5 ERA protected areas)
vs APFSDS: 550mm (800mm on K5 ERA protected areas)

T-80U
vs HEAT: 960mm (1200mm on ERA protected areas)
vs APFSDS: 550mm (780mm on ERA protected areas)

Challenger 2
vs HEAT: 1575mm
vs APFSDS: 940mm

Leopard 2A6
vs HEAT: 1850mm
vs APFSDS: 930mm

K1A1
vs HEAT: 1000mm
vs APFSDS: 735mm

Type 96
vs HEAT: 610mm
vs APFSDS: 400mm

Merkava Mark III
vs HEAT: 1590mm
vs APFSDS: 800mm

Leclerc
vs HEAT: 1200mm
vs APFSDS: 700mm

Lethality (RHAe APFSDS Penetration at 2000m)


M1A2 SEP
M829A3: 850mm

T-90 + T-80U
3BM44M: 625mm
9M119 Svir (ATGM): 850mm (Remember though, this is HEAT)

Challenger 2
L27A1: 800mm

Leopard 2A6
DM-63: 720mm

K1A1
APFSDS: 670mm

Type 96
Type-II: 550mm

Merkava Mark III
DM-63 Export: 680mm
LAHAT (ATGM): 800mm (Remember though, this is HEAT)

Leclerc
OFL120F2: 650mm

Mobility (Top Speed and Engine Horsepower)


M1A2 SEP
Road: 42 mph
Off-road: 35 mph
Power: 1500 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): 7.2 seconds
Ramge: 426 km

T-90-T-90A
Road: 37-39 mph
Off-road: 28-30 mph
Power: 840-950 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): 12-10 seconds
Range: 550 km - 650 km

T-80U
Road: 43 mph
Off-road: 30 mph
Power: 1250 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): 10 seconds
Range: 335 km

Challenger 2
Road: 37 mph
Off-road: 25 mph
Power: 1200 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): Unknown
Range: 450 km

Leopard 2A6
Road: 45 mph
Off-road: 25 mph
Power: 1479 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): Unknown
Range: 550 km

K1A1
Road: 40 mph
Off-road: 25 mph
Power: 1200 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): 8 seconds
Range: 500 km

Type 96
Road: 43 mph
Off-road: ???
Power: 1000 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): 13 seconds
Range: 450 km

Merkava Mark III
Road: 37 mph
Off-road: 30 mph
Power: 1200 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): ???
Range: 500km

Leclerc
Road: 45 mph
Off-road: 37 mph
Power: 1500 hp
Acceleration (0-20 mph): 5 seconds
Range: 550 km

Infantry AT Weapons Rating (RHAe)

Range is given as highest range where there is over a 50% hit probability.

USA

M136 AT4
HEDP: 150mm
HEAT: 420mm
Accurate Range = 500m

BGM-71-E TOW-2A (CSW)
Tandem* HEAT: 900mm
Range = 3750m
Guidance = Wire SACLOS

FGM-148 Javelin
Tandem* HEAT: 800 mm (top-attack flight profile)
Range = 2500m
Guidance = IR Seeker Fire and Forget

Russia

RPG-7V1
PG7V HEAT: 260mm
PG7VL HEAT: 500mm
PG-7VR Tandem* HEAT: 750mm
Accurate Range = 200m

RPG-27
Tandem* HEAT: 600mm
Accurate Range = 200m

RPG-29
Tandem* HEAT: 800mm
Accurate Range = 500m

9K115-2 Metis-M (CSW)
Tandem* HEAT: 950mm
Range = 2000m
Guidance = Wire SACLOS

9M133 Kornet (CSW)
Tandem* HEAT: 1100mm
Range = 5500m
Guidance = Laser SACLOS


* Tandem rockets/missiles contain 2 warheads, the first of which will defeat the ERA.

Helicopter-Launched AT Weapons Rating (RHAe)

USA


AGM-114L Hellfire (AH-64D)

Penetration = 900mm
Guidance = Radar Seeker Fire and Forget
Range = 8000m

Russia


9K114M1 Shturm (Mi-24V)

Penetration = 560mm
Guidance = Radio SACLOS
Range = 6000m

9M120 Ataka-V (Mi-28N)
Penetration = 800mm
Guidance = Radio SACLOS
Range = 6000m

Comments
GriffinZ
GriffinZ

how come the Abrams with the Rheinmetall L/44 have better penetration then the Leopard 2a6 with the better Rheinmetall L/55? Different APFSDS?

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

Yes.

People seem to assume it's all about the gun.
In modern times it's NOT.
It's about the APFSDS round.

The M829A3 is incredibly powerful, due to it's incredible design, weight, and use of the incredible dense depleted uranium.

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GriffinZ
GriffinZ

Still it's nato standarn ammunition right?

Sweden bought Leo 2a6 from germany but various ammo from US like the Sidewinder, while exporting the AT4 and Carl Gustav, sure we (and all other operators) would buy the superior American round? If that's the case, why do you compare the Leo with the ****** round, when it's fully capabable of being used with the M829A3?

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

The M89A3 is NOT used in Sweden (or Germany), it is used in the United States ONLY. The Leopard 2A6 COULD fire it, but it doesn't.

The DM-63 is not "******". It's the APFSDS used by the Leopard 2A6.

The "NATO standard" rounds as you call them are actually the German ones, the DM-43A1 up to DM-63.

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GriffinZ
GriffinZ

is there any reason why the rest of NATO doesn't use the M829? I'm sure the americans would sell it :/

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

Because it uses depleted uranium for the penetrator, and many NATO countries don't like that.

Also, the Americans ALWAYS keep their best tech to themselves.

For example, the F-22A Raptor has a no export rule, and the Abrams export models do not contain the depleted uranium armour layer.

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Torrisco
Torrisco

well this information now has better accuracy than before making comparison with the info i found but i still don't know where you found that info about protection levels of armor, and i don't understand that if 3G DU armor is included with the main armor, why do you do normal armor plus 3G DU it must be a whole value, i understand if you use TUSK you must use normal armor protection plus TUSK protection, any way, i found this page( the only one i found that you can read about current protection levels uptdated in 2011)
Collinsj.tripod.com
can you tell me where did you found that info about abrams armor?

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

Listen.

The only models that have been tested for penetration are the Abrams EXPORT models, which do NOT include the DU layer.

Only the American Abrams' have this, and their armour is classified.
It's like an equation:

(1) We DON'T know the RHA rating WITH both the composite armour and depleted uranium
(2) We DO know the RHA rating WIHOUT depleted uranium (just the composite armour)
(3) We DO know HOW MUCH armour the third generation depleted uranium adds (in RHAe)

So, (2) + (3) will equal (1). I am talking about the FRONTAL armour here of course.

We know that (2) = 1470 vs HEAT and 950 vs APFSDS
and (3) = 760 vs HEAT and 550 vs APFSDS

So with some basic maths you find the total to be 2220 vs HEAT and 1500 vs APFSDS.

I got the depleted uranium figure from a Tom Clancy book about armoured warfare (NOT one of his novels, it's a factual book), also another book about Armoured Warfare in 2003 Iraq.

TUSK means to the frontal armour, which is what I'm taking here, the TUSK adds ERA only to the sides...

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Torrisco
Torrisco

ok, i understand you now! i didn't know about that info on tom clancy's book, then, must i assume that for example, with leopard happen same? i mean, leopard also use 3G DU in its armor may be we really don't know the whole protection with this material, i think, m1a2 sep has classified info about it and we haven't an "european tom clancy" to know about that. LOL
leopard 2E is in service for spanish army and has greater armor than current 2a6 but i only found "greater armor" not an specified info about how much greater is.

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

Jose, listen to me.

The Leopard 2 does NOT have ANY generation of depleted uranium in its armour.

I didn't say my only source was Tom Clancy, there is a also a range of other books about the cold war.

Let me simplify it for you:

M1A2 SEP = Chobham composite armour + third generation depleted uranium
Leoprad 2A6 = Unnamed composite armour

As for the Leopard 2E, the one your country uses, it is SLIGHTLY more heavily armoured than the Leopard 2. Still NO depleted uranium.

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ikalugin
ikalugin

Hawk is better than s400 b/c it is american xD

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

Hawk is a piece of ****.
I'm from the UK, not America.
I don't know enough about air defence systems to do an analysis.

What is your problem? You can't accept the facts above?

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ikalugin
ikalugin

Well tbh i have not seen decisive proofs and i underdtand that they cant be presented b/c of secrecy rules. So what i say - good work but it is over biased from my perspective. Hence the hawk statement. And no i have no real problem with that as any military tech lovers ( me included ) tend to be fanboys of some or other piece of equipment. And i really dont see how nationality matters here especially between uk and usa.

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

There is no bias in statistics.

I have made no conclusions here, simply wrote the statistics above.

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

written*

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ikalugin
ikalugin

Well it depends how you gather and present them. I say this b/c i worked for a media agency and have expierence in that. Also the methods ans sources are not clear too, prices should be added where possible.

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

Prices? In my opinion that is irrelvant.

What's more relevant is how many are in service with the country of origin, which I will add if you want.

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AllenZakiv_Blackwell
AllenZakiv_Blackwell

why does the M1A2 have better stats in armor and penetration. M1A2 is a paper cut tank taking ideas from other tank design but the M1A2 is not as good as people clam it to be. M1A2 uses depleted uranium armor right, if depleted uranium armor is so effective then why aren't other military using DUA for there tanks or at lease experimenting with DUA? do you have a answer Heaney

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Heaney AuthorSubscriber
Heaney

>M1A2 is a paper cut tank taking ideas from other tank design but the M1A2 is not as good as people clam it to be

Source please.

>M1A2 uses depleted uranium armor right, if depleted uranium armor is so effective then why aren't other military using DUA for there tanks or at lease experimenting with DUA?

Because it's very dangerous to do, and makes the tank very ******* heavy.

Ie Abrams is 70 tons, T-90 is 45 tons.

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AllenZakiv_Blackwell
AllenZakiv_Blackwell

I can't remember what sight I got that from and more then likely it is not accurate on its information since it got a lot of things wrong to began with.

the Abrams is 70 tons, really no wounder it is a gas guzzler and as for the T90 witch is 45 tons
its like comparing a car to a semi truck (or something like that)

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