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Unused by Ukraine, many of them are the extremely new T72 B3 model introduced in 2013 (the on with stripe markings was captured by Ukraine at Ilovaisk). The VK post is a guy telling his friends how he and his B3 crew were sent to serve in Ukraine.
"All our equipment is captured from the Ukrop nazi junta cowards, even though Ukrop nazi junta doesn't use it. 100% not Russian"
For a nice compilation of the extent of Russian involvement in just armour supplies:
Sled-vzayt.livejournal.com
Sled-vzayt.livejournal.com
Sled-vzayt.livejournal.com
Recently they seem to have given up hiding completely, since images showing modern-day Russian equipment are commonplace by now, even in an environment where people filming can be shot.
How do people recognize B3 of all those variants? I saw an image of 'totally new Russian RPG30 on back of Donbas guy" and there was a dark green tube on his back. My friend and I then gave the effort to find what it is and most probably it was RPG26... All it takes is to put ERA a different way and new version of T72 is born...
Maybe 'couse they think if they played Arma and Battlefield they know any generic Russian vehicle
Mhm. Generic Russian vehicle. Did you open the link anyway. Oh, I guess since it is against Russia it is all fake CIA lies.
But here you go, some stuff that only Russia uses in Donetsk (some from Russian sources, so even you can believe it):
Aistenok Radar (in use since 2008): Warfiles.ru
ASVK sniper rifle (since 2004): Empr.media
AS Val (only in Russian use): Youtube.com
Captured Russian-made RPGs (dated 2008, made in Russia): Youtube.com (back in the Slaviansk days, when they still tried to tell us it were "dissatisfied miners")
Compilation of Russian-made weapons: Argumentua.com
Compilation of tanks supplied by Russia, many of them brand-new Russian-only:
Sled-vzayt.livejournal.com
Sled-vzayt.livejournal.com
Sled-vzayt.livejournal.com
Another compilation with BTR 80A, only used by Russia (since late 90s):
Bmpd.livejournal.com
And yeah, these days we have Internet so we can look things up, you know. We can find Chechens fighting in Ukraine, we can find Russian regular army fighting in Ukraine, yes it's getting harder beacuse rebels threaten people who film, but it's possible.
Generally, what saves Russia, is that they can supply their soldiers with older soviet tech (of which they have tons around) and remove insignia, which makes them equipped identically to the Ukrainian army. Which they did for a long time, but by now they also use the newest Russian gear quite openly. Also the Chechens seem to be parading very openly by now, even at the airport (where the last "show"-Donetsk-staffed-units) were used.
The logistics alone prove that they are supplied by Russia, since they shoot metric tons of grad missiles alone daily, which can only come from one place (hint: "humanitarian aid, new year edition" -> Youtube.com)
If it was so easy to prove that they send new tech there, they wouldn't do it. Russians are not retarded and won't send anything that would point directly at them. All the other things you can speculate about - weapon merchants and volunteers.
It's ridiculous to think that they'd be sending T-72B3s into Ukraine. A state-of-the-art tank, and they would simply throw them at poorly trained and ill-equipped rebels? I'm sorry but that just doesn't suit the current Russian military mentality, at all.
We know the Kiev-junta have tried and tried again to make Russia look like the big bad ogre that is the source of all their problems, simply because the UA was so disorganised and broken that they couldn't enact a simple genocide. They claimed they were using tactical nukes from long retired Soviet mortars for crying out loud. Zerohedge.com
The Goebbels level propaganda that Kiev is using through its media is immense, but it's also stupid, and easy to call out. Posting generic footage of tanks being transported on a road (who knows where) claiming they're T-72B3s. Posting generic footage of of obviously Eastern Ukrainian miltia over on the RUSSIAN side of the border, next to BTR-80As (Russian troops clearly seen in the background). It is common knowledge that Russia has given free pass to any citizens of Ukraine, to come and go as they please. The same with all those Ukrainian troops who deserted over the border Rt.com Don't worry though, they were well looked after, and even given the option of returning to their homes.
This is entirely stupid, and I can't be bothered wasting the time debating with Orange, he just blindly believes whatever suits his purposes.
I almost wish Russia would launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, just to watch people like Orange_Tomato **** themselves when they realise who they were messing with.
>he just blindly believes whatever suits his purposes.
Right back at you. I guess Russia has randomly decided to move a lot of T64 tanks and T72s around the country after the Donbass "uprisings". Those pictures are dated and geolocated, you know.
Speaking of "believing what suits you": Your only rebuttal for the BTR 80A is wrong: there's videos below in that post where "brothers from the Caucasus" stand next to it saying "allahu akbar" and rushing off to help "miner brothers" - they say so themselves, in direction of Schastiye. Are those "Russian troops"? Stop lying please.
here're the links if you decide to ignore:
Youtube.com
Youtube.com
As to the T72B3: it is a BA or a B3 since it has the Sosna-U sight, which was introduced in 2011, so brand-new: Ic.pics.livejournal.com -> compared to: Twower.livejournal.com No wonder they dragged the turret off.
As expected you didn't bother answering all the other stuff. High tech Russian weapons must have appeared out of thin air, I guess. @CommanderDef: Selling high tech guns? Really? You mean they "sold" radars and tanks too?
I love how you have the audacity of accusing me of "fabricating reality" when I posted photos and videos and you spew Kremlin rhetoric. Self-reflection helps, you know.
Oh, and hacking hands off must be a "good gesture" in Russia:
Maidantranslations.com
P.S.: I never said the Ukrainian side doesn't spew ********. Doesn't help your pro-russian narrative any though.
Here's a pic by pic comparison of the T72 that was captured and the T72B3 -> only the radar mast is different, but probably simply not visible due to open hatch:
Img.photobucket.com
and:
Img.photobucket.com
Looks pretty similar to my CIA-brainwashed brain.
You are right about weapons and yes, there is actually a supply-support from Russia.
However
You have devastated entire Russian divisions, judging by your news. Some divisions were devastated several times(I don't know, maybe Russian orthodox church can revive people with demonic powers). Some divisions were devastated even if they don't exist since 1812 or If they didn't exist at all(******* Altay Armored Police).
And still on the background of such a majestic victories no videos or other evidence has been shows, besides videogame(Lock-on, to be more correct) screenshots and Russian videos from 2011 about training exercises. Well, let's leave it, we got used to different kind of crazy stuff from Ukraine, but there has not been any photos/videos from GB or US. If you have some I will be glad to look at them and agree that I was wrong. US has a lot of radar planes in the region, they must have some evidence!
Also, there were reports of Russia using psycho-weapons,zombie weapons, weather control devices... If Russia had all this stuff your news has told about ever since the beginning of the conflict Russia would dominate the world already.
And every day Ukrainian commanders/bloggers claim that Russian army is devastated, that it's last Russian forces fighting in Ukraine. Still they don't seem to end, looks like Russia builds troops from barracks
like in Red Alert games.
>Threaten people that film.
Exactly sums up the story with 2 Russian journalists, that died under Ukrainian artillery. How many Ukrainian journalists died by the hands of Russian army, exactly?
>You are right about weapons and yes, there is actually a supply-support from Russia.
Thank you. Why deny it for so long.
Presence of brand-new Russian weapons and tech also indirectly confirms presence of Russian tropps (even if they have no insignia).
As for the other stuff, nice trollbait but I never said any of that (I don't even watch Ukrainian news). I just like putting holes into the pro-russian narrative you preach.
Presence of brand new Russian weapons? I have never heard of AK-12s on Ukraine...
M. it's really kind to inform about all this, but the main problem i thinck is that most of us can't read cyrillic so do you know he good traductor for those page ? (Please don't tell me Google traductor PLEASE).
>White Stripes on the previous picture
>Russian
Top Lel
Also, you forgot to mention Russian TOS-1 "Buratino"s, Russian only anti-tank weapons, Russian laser tanks, Russian fog generators and Russian ion cannon.
Geez, there always have been so much photos of Russian vehicles in Ukraine, that were later found out to be taken in 2008 in Russia/Georgia, even on the official Ukrainian TV. I was suspicious of Russian Invasion at the beginning, but now I doubt your photos/videos are worth anything at all.
Yeah I bet it must be some Poland people they so much love (hate) Russia.
Russia stay strong!!
Sorry, but the whole of Europe dislikes Russian leadership by now. Not speaking of Eastern Europe, which did so for a long time.
As for Ukraine (where I'm from): Gallup.com
See, noone here wants Russian "friendship" which comes with Grads, guns, Goebbels propaganda and ethnocentric fascism.
^This comment structures the rest of your conversation just nicely Tomato, many thanks.
Umm, why? Does my personal opinion invalidate pictures and videos?
Maybe it's you, no?
Most of people in central Europe likes current Russian government. You do you think they do so? Maybe because they do not stupid anti-Russian propaganda like you do.
quote from description:
>the one with stripe markings was captured by Ukraine at Ilovaisk
->didn't read, top lel
As I thought, denial mode once again: basically all those pics with DNR markings were taken in Georgia. And those destroyed geolocated T72s unused by Ukraine were planted there by CIA agents to discredit Russia.
It boggles my mind how stubborn some people on this site are believing the Russian narrative. Even Russians admit their support nowadays indirectly, by making jokes about rebel "voentorg".
If Russia has a such a pathetic army, why did your "Cyborgs" run away from Crimea like dogs or buoyed? They knew it were Russian forces so they could easily fend them off.
I never denied Russian support in terms of arms. I'm just curious how there a such a degenerates that trusts that army, which part of devastated US-supplied Battle-ready Georgia in 5 days now fights in Ukraine.
Believe me or not. If Russia wanted to openly invade Ukraine the country would be devastated by artillery fire in 2 days maximum. And they wouldn't definitely send Ukrainian-army-like chairborne divisions. Professionals only.
Welp, I met persons like you in real life. They were 2 old men and 1 young man from Kiev. Even there, in Kazakhstan, they were trying to find Russian tanks in the bushes which means that speaking with such a persons is useless. Possibly it also relates to you.
Have a nice day.
>I never denied Russian support in terms of arms.
Wow, your very "witty" comment sounded quite a bit different:
>Also, you forgot to mention Russian TOS-1 "Buratino"s, Russian only anti-tank weapons, Russian laser tanks, Russian fog generators and Russian ion cannon.
I love how quickly I convinced you to take you opinion. At least you accepted defeat instead of calling me a "Westernist" like some people did.
As for your personal assesment of me: you don't know me. Here in Europe the only time I've actually met people who share the pro-russian opinions so predominant on this site was an old pro-russian colleague of mine who used "блядь" after every word and some random deluded dude who held up a sign: "No war with Russia" that everyone ignored. It's basically predominant only with Internet contrarians, whose opinion is irrelevant. Oh and Putin trolls and "patriotic Russians" who spam everything. Every normal, intelligent person I know, on the other hand, has changed his/her opinion on Russia since Crimea, and has become at the least distrustful of a nuclear-armed fascist state in today's Europe.
Not getting in on your ridiculously high opinion of the Russian armed forces: the multiple B3s alone are evidence for limited Russian intervention (evidenced at least since Ilovaisk). They just won't commit with full force because even more coffins coming home would break all the "poor miner rebellion against fascism" narrative they preach.
There is no sides that are not supported by someone. The same relates to Syria, ISIS and etc. So yeah, there is a support from Russia.
You are not Westernist, just insane.
The only "normal persons" that changed their opinion about Russia were liberal prostitutes, who felt a full freedom and started attracting attention to themselves, because they know, Putin won't do anything. If Russia was ruled by a Stalin/Kim Jong Un-like tyrant they would lick his boots and tell him what kind of a great leader he is. After he dies they will say what kind of evil he was. Such kind of people always stays afloat and you know that. What about RT and other Russian media.
You know what source I use the most? CNN channel. It's not pro-Russia but not as mentally-crazy like Ukrainian channels. And still even here I didn't find a solid thing about "Russian invasion".
If they send full scale invasion there would be no Ukraine. Of course US/China or western European countries would be a tough enemy for Russia. But a country corrupted more that Yeltsin ruled by chocolate warriors makes no threat at all and would end up like a one big coffin itself.
>would lick his boots and tell him what kind of a great leader he is
Umm, they already do. In case you didn't notice.
>So yeah, there is a support from Russia
Why did you deny it then?
>"normal persons" that changed their opinion about Russia were liberal prostitutes
Oh, really. So I guess every normal person here in Europe is a "liberal prostitute"? Oh, sorry that's exactly what Russian media tells you.
>It's not pro-Russia but not as mentally-crazy like Ukrainian channels
Where the hell did I say I watch Ukrainian channels? They're just as stupid as the Russian ones. I don't know why you keep trying to tell that to me. I just like to put holes in the Russian narrative. Which is easy to do.
>If they send full scale invasion there would be no Ukraine
Of course. But they won't because that would go against their "poor miner" uprising narrative. If they would launch a full scale attack then a) the whole world would see what is really going on and b) more coffins would come home and people would start asking questions.
Western countries won't fight Russia, why should they. Russia has a ****** economy, that's where it is much easier to hit it.
It's only you Russians themselves who brag about how "strong" your military is.
>You are not Westernist, just insane.
Sorry to break it to you, but not everyone who doesn't share your opinion is a "Westernist" or "Insane".
1)Never saw the director of "Echo of Moscow" licking Putin's boots actually.
2)I denied that tank, not the fact itself.
3)Or maybe you only meet the ones who is a "normal person".
And also, it is my opinion, because I don't trust Russian media. I trust what I learn myself. Maybe you should stop seeking for Kremlin agents in sewers?
4)Alright, my bad.
5)They won't because that what Ukraine exactly wants.
a)This whole world consist of Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland. And I think Western Europe knows what a "solid" information source they are. Trick me once... US and it's satellites don't need any Ukrainian stories to know what is actually happening here. b)To make something "more" you need a starting amount, which currently does not exist. Maybe in your dreams.
Western countries won't fight Russia because they don't need WW3 over some beggar country, neither does Russia. And EU is not the union to speak about ****** economy.
In terms of brutal force, yes, it is.
6)But everyone who is far from reality is.
Well, we both will stay close to own opinion and it is a pointless talk. Let's just give everything to the time and see what it will show us about who is right and who isn't. Or maybe who gets the right to be the right one. History is written by the winners after all, isn't it?