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Putting aside the usual EA hate that's popular around here, this is still an incredibly stupid idea even just from an investment POV:
Consumers that cares about C&C as a brand is unlikely to be guys who like mobile games (and of course the mobile game crowd is probably too young to care about C&C except as a piece of trivia in gaming history). So regardless brand loyalty isn't going to work.
Hang on a minute, don't tell me this is a financial scam.
explanation: companies can write off losses for tax breaks, and if this project is simply set up to fail (or even just cancelled) the losses could be tax deductible (or at least knock down the net income, regardless it means lower taxes) while the coding could be recycled for other mobile gaming projects that have higher chance of profit. Actually that's pretty cleaver, though probably not even the first time they did this (given this isn't the first C&C mobile game they cancelled, much less of their other cancellations in the past.
I like CnC, and I also like mobile games.
While I'm not necessarily denying everything you've just said, I am getting tired of the "mobile games are not real games, so they suck" attitude that most of the community seem to have.
Mobile games are still games, but on a different platform, whether they are good or not depends on the individual games, and not on whether they are mobile or not.
You can't carry your PC everywhere, even laptops have limits to where they can be used, but you can use a phone pretty much anywhere, which is a good thing for us older CnC fans who are stuck at the office all day, and just want to play something fun, somewhat challenging, and nostalgic.
So, unless you have a cool boss that let's you play games at work, then mobile games are the way to go for the average working man.
Mobile gaming in general is trash. However, this dumpster fire of a C&C game for mobile is even worse. It isn't a C&C game. It's a "King of the hill" Clash Royale, reskinned with a C&C theme that doesn't even follow the existing C&C themes.
And while yes, PC games can't be played everywhere, maybe its because of the general quality of all mobile gaming that has reduced the opinions of everyone to think that mobile gaming is crap. Do you know that an actual "True to form" C&C game can be made on mobile? It's easily possible by simply making a game that doesn't literally hinge on microtransactions, and plays like the existing C&C games.
Stop apologizing for the low quality of mobile games by assuming all mobile gaming must be reduced to this level of garbage.
Mobile games are the way they are because that is just the nature of mobile gaming. They are fast and shallow to accomodate playing on the go, in times where using a laptop isn't viable. If you have time to burn, of course playing on pc or console is better. So it is unfair to compare mobile games to their much larger much deeper cousins.
Can you make a regular pc grade rts on mobile? Yes. Are you willing to hold up your phone for hours, when you can just easily have the same experience on pc? Probably not.
Mobile games are a unique solution to a unique problem, playing on the go when all other options are not viable, they are not for everyone, that doesn't mean they can't be good, a lot of mobile games *are* good, they might not be as good as full pc games, but they don't need to be.
So, why do you have an issue with people saying mobile games aren't real games and that they suck when you basically just made that point? Your position is that mobile gaming is just generally bad and cannot be improved because it is the nature of mobile gaming.
Mobile gaming is typically fast and shallow, however that doesn't mean you can't have a pause button and some depth. Most mobile games do this where you just pick up right where you left off immediately, and some of those games actually have some actual depth to them. Pixel Dungeon is a great example of this.
And sure, RTS games do take more time on PC, but I wouldn't say hours. You'd have to be playing a very slow RTS match to take that long.
And the number 1 gripe, again, is microtransactions. Everyone knows that mobile gaming is just about creating a routine for sheeple to log in, update the "game" which has no gameplay, and be reminded that they can speed up the process for a small amount of money.
Because saying that something is different is not the same as saying it is bad, they just have diffent uses. A hammer will always seem **** when compared to a jackhammer, but that doesn't mean, the hammer is any worse at its job as a jackhammer is at its job.
Microtransactions are bad, but they can be avoided, at least for any decent mobile game.
Again the point I'm trying to make is mobile games are just another type of game, and just like an other type of game there are good ones and bad ones. It's ignorant to just call them all bad, just cause they're mobile games.
There's also such a thing as a particular franchise being a particular genre. And that fans of that franchise don't want the genre to be changed for convenience of selling microtransactions for a mobile game, because it's an obvious attempt at a cash grab.
Fear of CnC being changed? It's a bit late for that don't you think?
CnC has undergone a ton of changes over the years, and lot of them were bad, we're way past worrying about corpse desecration at this point.
This whole topic is about how meaningless/terrible the new mobile C&C game will be. Of course we all know C&C is dead in the hands of EA. Doesn't change the fact that people would simply rather have nothing instead of this mobile game which further stomps on the grave of the C&C franchise.
I wouldn't be surprised if EA is doing this game as a tax write-off scam or the quite literally beg you for money in game.
No, I merely posted about how I'm sick of seeing people dismiss mobile games simply because they are mobile games under the claim that cnc fans most probably don't play mobile games. All I said was, "I play mobile games, mobile games are not that bad", I didn't touch on the other topics Kalga wrote about because frankly I didn't care for it. Then, you came in and dragged the battle all the way to where we are now. I haven't made one mention of rivals this entire time, this is all you buddy.
I gave examples of mobile gaming that can be good, and these comments are posted in response to Rivals. Stop changing the subject, and stop acting like mobile gaming, especially in its current state, is good. Some people actually enjoy video games that don't require microtransactions and ludicrous amounts of investment just to PLAY them.
FYI, I don't spend a single penny on any of my games, and I spend at most a few minutes checking my bases, and maybe performing an attack or two, and when I run out of things to do I stop, because I'm a patient man. The thing is, these games can be good, if you want them to be, of course there are exceptions, perhaps rivals will be one of them too, but you know what's not going to help? Dissing any attempt for your favorite franchise to regain traction, because "**** ea!" "**** mobile games!"
Well I know you're just gonna read this, not caring about what the actual content is, and use it to fuel the cnc rivals hate train, so I'm just gonna post this and leave. Maybe when newer systems havw rendered the older games and their mods unplayable, ya'll can look back in this moment and think to yourselves, "maybe if I had helped instead of hated, cnc would stull be alive." But what am I saying you guys don't care about that, you just want your daily shipment of salt to be delivered no matter what, so goodbye.
You can help C&C by actually buying a good C&C game and reminding EA what the series is. Sadly, EA doesn't care to make a good C&C game.
You also help by making things for various mods that keep C&C alive more than EA ever will.
I have bought every cnc game from RA2 to RA3 Uprising. I still use the keyboard and bag that came with the RA3 pre-order despite the keys fading and the zippers occasionally breaking. I am part of a ton of ZH modding projects, I've made guides, and have helped many ZH modders with their problems. But the reality remains.
Despite poor sales for CnC4, and receiving a flood of negative reviews for Gens 2, EA has taken negligible damage. The only time it looks like EA actually took a hit was with Battlefront, and that was only because Disney got involved. Meanwhile, the current CnC games are getting harder and harder to install every year, and the tools required to mod it are dying left and right.
The current solution IS NOT WORKING!
Modders are not keeping CnC alive, the best that we're doing is paying for life support, and our funds are running out. Time is running out, Old mods are dying. New mods are ****. Nobody can be arsed to learn how to mod games that people might not even be able to play several years from now.
CnC is not dying. It has already died. And now that attempts, not necessarily good ones but attempts nonetheless, are being taken to revive it, its "fans" would much rather sabotage it because muh pride and nostalgia. You might think I'm naive for still "believing" in EA, well I consider you all naive for believing that continuing this stubborn rebellion is a better solution. The only people you're hurting is yourselves and CnC itself, and I for one am tired of staying in the bunker fighting a pointless battle for resources that have dried up years ago. You guys enjoy defending your empty expansion. I'm out.
You are naive if you believe in EA. I think you summed it up quite nicely.
And EA has killed more than just C&C. It is the vampire of all publishers and is finally losing traction with the failure of ME: Andromeda, SWBF2, the likely failure of Anthem, and the inevitable failure of C&C Rivals. They only make money off of sports titles full of microtransactions from naive people and children who purchase them and think "This is as good as gaming can be" and mindlessly lap it up without any desire for innovation, improvement, or fun.
And as for C&C, people remember it being a good game and continue to mod it from those memories. C&C will not live forever and is indeed already dead on EA's side. However the people that like what was good about C&C continue to make other RTS games, like Grey Goo, 8-Bit Armies, Universe at War, and Star Wars: Empire at War. The C&C storyline was forever killed at C&C 3, but the games created a legacy of future game makers who continue to create more games since EA will not.
Are you actually reading what you're writing? The one claiming that "this is as good as gaming could be" is you. I like how you talk about innovation, yet you use 8 bit armies as an example, the safest of the safe examples of rts out there. You're not an advocate for innovation and improvement, your just an old westwood fanboy that refuses to accept anything that's not old school rts. Suddenly I feel stupid having this argument with you, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Silly me, instead of improving the existing RTS games, we should throw all of the good things in the trash, implement Pay-To-Win systems, erase the storyline of the franchise, and encourage "gameplay" that requires you literally wait days to unlock the next stage of unit.
You're right, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I bet you do feel stupid for having this argument with me.
Yep I feel like a total idiot now, for apparently talking to a rock this while time, my mistake.
Well, any off the cuff analysis would have a degree of generalization. Generally speaking though, the mobile gaming is aimed at a slightly younger demographic (or the really old people like certain facebook games). Also I am saying it's still the perception of a significant amount of the older generation has on mobile gaming (which honestly any EA analyst should know this by now, and I suspect they actually do, hence the tax deductible theory) and this perception meant that the overlapping demographics that this game is supposed to exploit with its brand recognition would be quite limited.
My point is the haters are not the problem (since their hatred aside they're not the intended demographic), the problem is I don't think the potential market is there (though more like because how saturated the mobile market is, even the 'RTS' sub-genre of mobile gaming).
Also I find it weird to even contemplate gaming at work, even on mobile, as most work places I know tend to be really anal about their workers' 'productivity' and generally stick up the arse about distractions. I can honestly say that I have never wasted time on my phone at work (then again I don't have a smartphone, for that very reason).
Well I'm a graphic artist so I don't have work "all the time", but I still need to be in the office incase work does come. Plus, we're forbidden from installing non work related programs on our computers, so our only option is web/mobile games.
And your workplace is okay with that? Hmm that sounds nice. Most work places I know would [in theory] demand ever more work out of their workers until they collapse, in which then they fire them and bring in the next batch. So there's no way for any kind of relaxation to occur during work time lol.
I guess I might be old fashioned for assuming that employees are supposed to dedicate their entire souls to [those soul sucking] corporate when the clock in till they clock out.
In the end, it only depends on the amount of microtransactions and pay to win that will be present in the game. Being a mobile game is not necessarily a bad thing. Hell, I have been waiting for a C&C mobile game for a long time too. However, it's the monetization that matters for games like this, specially since it's multiplayer only, that can heavily hurt the actual player base of the game itself.
It only takes a couple mins to check my base and maybe perform an attack or two. Plus you can't work if there's nothing that needs making.
#notmycnc
I tried this game and i uninstall it after passing the tutorial and a few rounds.
overall the game ain't bad however claiming this as command and conquer and calling this game a Real time strategy aka RTS is kinda a bad joke.
I like the units designs where each could be exclusive to a subfaction similar to Generals Zero hour. example that a laser nod subfaction will be exclusive to train Laser Squad Infantry rather than a militant similar to Townes unit using laser weaponry.
you can't call this game a real RTS if there is no base building.
i'll just stick to mods than play this.