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After months of silence we reveal what's been going on behind closed doors and the decisions that have been discussed and debated on. With gameplay changes afoot we also seek the public's help in completing this Star Wars mod.

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Hello everyone, we think it’s time to give you some information on what’s been going on behind the closed doors these last few months, as no doubt you are wondering what the heck is going on with our mod, why hasn’t it released yet, etc. Before I go into that though, I should give you all a bit of a back story so you can better understand our predicament.

When we first started this mod three years ago (yes it really has been that long), we went at it with the intention of emulating a typical multiplayer game with team deathmatch and capture the flag. In many ways we hoped to achieve gameplay alike to that of the Jedi Knight series. We made considerable progress; a team system with 3D previews of the player model you were selecting, a weapon pickup system for distribution on the map akin to Quake and Unreal Tournament, an ironsights system for more precise aiming and a pretty nifty HUD. Art asset wise our team constructed a huge library of various Star Wars maps and props consisting of locations like Dagobah, Felucia, Tatooine, Coruscant, Naboo, the Deathstar and other various locations. After this three year period so much stuff has been constructed one could consider this a total conversion more than simply a mod.
Of course with all these positives there have some negatives in there. We’ve had lots of bugs with the code and many of them have been fixed but the overall glaring issue that has become painfully apparent to me after many beta tests is that the gameplay just isn’t cutting it.

It’s a known fact that the games we play today have evolved significantly from their ancestors only a few years ago. The masses that used to play on servers just to constantly hunt down their opponents nowadays seek out a slightly more tactical challenge. Even the games that still have this older form of gameplay keep it fresh with unique twists and abilities (see Call of Duty). Therefore we are presenting to you the public the following changes which we hope to implement:

  • The mod is being ported (in some cases rewritten) to the new SDK template that Valve released not too long ago. This version of the SDK has a lot of the features we were implementing only in a cleaner/easier to use format. One of these features is a class based system with easy to edit attributes. With this we intend to augment the Team Deathmatch mode with classes of varying weapons/abilities.
  • In addition to Team Deathmatch we are considering pushing forward the team assault gametype. Originally intended for release 2 I feel it could be easily added in with only a minor bit of coding (an objective completion signal would be needed to award the winning team). Some team members want this feature badly enough they’ve already begun work on maps and assets for it. For example one of our mapper’s; borgking has been working on a Mustafar map with a TF2 payload like objective of hauling Anakin’s burned body through the complex back to the shuttle. Team Assault will also have classes.
  • With the exception of Capture the Flag, both Team Deathmatch and Team Assault would have a Last Man Standing game mechanic. If you’ve played counter strike you would be aware of having one “life” and then staying dead when killed until the start of the next round. Adding a feature like this into the mod would help strengthen the gameplay and open up the possibilities for more tactical options.

This proposed plan has been met with some hesitation from a few members of our team. Some feel we are experiencing what is called “Feature Creep”, which means piling on more and more goals, pushing back the release of something to almost indefinitely. I can understand the frustration but at the same time the evidence of beta testing is quite clear to me. Having seen a huge number of mods fail within a short period of time due to issues similar to what we’re having I can predict that releasing the mod in its current state would have unsatisfactory results.

There are upsides to my plan of course, since much of the code is already in the SDK template, all we really have to port is our Capture the Flag code and Heads Up Display. The weapons code is pretty much already in along with the class system and team structure. All we really have left to do is code in the Last Man Standing mode, implement a round timer, and code up an objective entity and the rest is tweaking done with results from testing. Sounds easy right? Your next question then must be “what’s the hold up?”

We’ve had a constant issue from the beginning with coders. For the few we had that were dedicated, most had their lives get a lot busier or complicated enough that they were forced to pull out of development. Others were hired on only to disappear never to be heard from again. It’s annoying but something to be expected when you have a team of volunteers. Currently we have two coders actually doing anything, myself and Emiel Regis, a coder who has been with us since the beginning. Getting these features implemented has been slow as the SDK template has things layed out a little differently than before and we’re still learning the Source engine code.

So here’s our request: If you have any knowledge in coding (esp. coding in the Source engine), then please apply on our forums for a coder position. We want this mod released as badly as you guys do but at the same time we don’t want it to end up another entry on the gravestone of dead mods. Help us get this thing done!

So that about covers everything. You guys know now pretty much what we know. I end this update today with a little flythrough video Darth Hunter made of some of TNE’s maps:


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izzysinz
izzysinz

The silence was golden. Really seems you guys have put the hours in great work

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SleepingDaemon
SleepingDaemon

I am quite impressed with all of the maps. You guys are definitely putting a lot of work into this. Keep it up!

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hate4uall
hate4uall

wow i look forward to this one :D

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Nebcake
Nebcake

I love the update guys and the video, keep up the hard work you guys are doing an awesome job.

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ChadaFACE
ChadaFACE

Impressive!

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Jesternz08
Jesternz08

Keep it up, wicked looking video, cant wait for release!
Especially impressed with the palace level, lighting looks great!

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Bloodvayne
Bloodvayne

Wow wow wow!!!

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killant818
killant818

WOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!! not dead :)

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tastyjerk
tastyjerk

Great update, guys!!

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RogerRamjet
RogerRamjet

The maps are looking epic, extremely well done. One question, where does the Andromeda come into it?

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archkyrie
archkyrie

yeah, anyways? i thought that was... odd.

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Darth.Hunter
Darth.Hunter

As mentioned on another comment: This was originally a reel of work we've done at Invision Games for a university presentation. The Andromeda Ascendant is from an Indie project we're currently doing some pre-production on, you can find that project through our team profile.
The music too is from the other project's soundtrack, not TNE.

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Irafos
Irafos

Was that music composed by a member of your team or brought in from an outside source? I'm only wondering because it is a very good piece and being a musician myself I was wondering if I could get the sheet music for it?

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Croco15
Croco15

AWESOME, I LOVE IT!

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Craka_J
Craka_J

Very nice level designs. :)

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chris_sloany
chris_sloany

this looks amazing! nice job!

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cheesemoo0
cheesemoo0

Looks great. I hope you can find some coders.

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belzaran
belzaran

Nice work !

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Mode7Games
Mode7Games

Video looks incredible - amazing stuff. Don't give up hope on finishing this!

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Muffinssi
Muffinssi

You guys have done great job so far! Can´t wait see some gameplay videos and hear more about your mod progress. May the force be with you :D

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Stevokenevo
Stevokenevo

Wow. I'll keep an eye on this mod. The maps in the video looked awesome. Keep up the good work.

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bogie
bogie

Keep on plodding on, hopefully you will release it one day.

What the hell is that spaceship thing at the end?

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Darth.Hunter
Darth.Hunter

That's the Andromeda Ascendant from another indie project that some of us are involved in. This flythrough reel was originally done for a presentation at university, so I didn't do any further editing, since I didn't know that Lindsey would post this here :p

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Vizitas
Vizitas

cool lots of potential...and those maps.....one of the greatest maps ever!!!!

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reconman
reconman

nice mod looks pretty good hope that i can fly with those fighters :)

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AJDominion
AJDominion

Great job on the maps. Looks like that aspect is coming along well.

Sorry to hear the coding side is much slower.

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HakKeBerRy
HakKeBerRy

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Wow you Guys are soooooooooooooooo GOOD!!!
I love this Mod! :D

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purplehaze412
purplehaze412

Oh my god, The shaders and reflections on those naboo fighters are so perfect, And the map design is awesome. Some coders need to help these guys out! They could rock the modding community with this!

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DOLBYdigital
DOLBYdigital

Maps look very well done!
I'm glad your team is able to take a step back and re-evaluate what you want your mod to be and where it is going. Hopefully some experienced coders will jump in and help you guys out!

I like the payload idea a lot and think that the last man standing mechanic will change the tactics for that game mode a lot :)

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eXeC64
eXeC64

Looks nice, hope you don't get foxxed =]

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Bird_of_Prey
Bird_of_Prey

Well, it's great to see an update. I very much hope you can get some good coders, as the maps look very good. Best of luck!

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RealDestroyerX
RealDestroyerX

THIS.............IS.............AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
Hope you find some really good coders.

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Karriz
Karriz

Looks great, I hope it does not need good graphics card.

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awesomepossum
awesomepossum

WOW, your maps are looking super fantastic!

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vfn4i83
vfn4i83

That video make me so happy, and excited and confused. Bt anyway, love everything fron Star Wars, to Star Trek to Andromeda anyways.

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Yzmo
Yzmo

I'd help bug i guess i would just code lots of bugs instead of useful features :)

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ShyGuy204
ShyGuy204

I was personally hoping you guys could have stuck with the original Source SDK, would have created a lot less trouble on my computer.

Still, it's nice to get a glimpse of what we've been waiting for, for so long. Hope the next batch of beta tests go better than the last one.

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Wimsey
Wimsey

Great work, man! It's beautiful!

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Wimsey
Wimsey

Also i wish look at some jedi moves and wait it.

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UKcharlie
UKcharlie

A loty of happy comments on this piece of news... add me to the list as well. Keep on tuckin guys and I hope you get the help that you need

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vortexus
vortexus

I realy think you should emulate the Starwars battlefront two gamplay. It would make this game so good!

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Myloman
Myloman

Wow, that was superb! Loved all the work that you have put into this. Looks very professional indeed. I only have one question: You know how in the waterfall shot the plantation had a short draw distance; is that something which will be adjustable, or subject to change? Just curious. Either way I am absolutely enjoying this :D.

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Renorick
Renorick

This thing is starting to look like what SW Battlefront III SHOULD have been. Glad it's not dead. Really looking forward to this and that Terminator mod you're working on when it comes around.

Keep up the PHENOMENAL work. Can't wait!

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Deathace13
Deathace13

I am really looking forward to this mod.
I just hope it isn't dead.

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