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Question of the Day: For the heroes that the Edain team has created that are unique to the mod, what were your inspirations for them and how do you see them fit into the Tolkien universe? Also, which heroes are your favorites and why?

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Mod of the Year - Question of the Day

Greetings, companions of Edain!

Mod of the Year 2016

The first round of the votings for the Mod of the Year 2016 on Moddb ended and thanks to your support, the Edain Mod reached for the seventh time the Top 100!
This is again a very big achievement and a great honor, so we would like to thank the entire community for this support! This would not have been possible without your votes and we are really proud to have so much fans around here. Of course, we will continue to do our best so that you can experience a truly great Middle-earth feeling in Battle for Middle Earth.

Now the second round of the Mod of the Year 2016 begins and we need again your votes for the Top 10! You have to select the Edain Mod from the list of the Top 100 and then click on "Vote". So that your voice counts as much as possible, we ask you to register an account on Moddb or to use your existing account before your voting. Even if we can't reach the Top 10 anymore as we have won last year, we still can get a honourable mention.

You come across to the list of the Top 100 with the following button:

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Question of the Day

As a special thank you for all of you, we will daily answer one question of the community for the rest of the election phase. You are allowed to ask any question concerning Edain, as long as it does not involve any plans or contents of future versions. We know that this is quite a restriction, but we don't want to spoil you or ruin the suprise at all. Nonetheless, we are sure that you will be able to ask many interesting question.
At the end of each day we will give you a detailed answer to the question that is most upvoted by the community. Please consider that we need some time to answer the questions, so post your questions until 21:00 GMT (Greenwich Mean Time).

Question of the Day 1

How many makers is in your team?

The Edain Team consists of 11 members:

Ealendril is the leader of the Edain Team.
He is the Coder of Edain and also does models, graphhics, skins and animations. Also there is hardly anything Ealendril isn't able to do.

Lord of Mordor
Lord of Mordor is the one in charge of balance. He does the final descisions after discussing with the rest of the Team and the Balance Testers.
Also Lord of Mordor takes a main part in the development of new concepts.

Symbite is the Website Administrator of Modding Union.

Gnomi is a mapper. Also he fixes Map bugs and adjusted most of the Maps for 4.0.

Turin Turumbar
Turin created and maintains the Edain Launcher (or Installer or Switcher).

Reshef works on the AI and global Map scripts. He is also a mapper.

Thorongil is a modeller and animator. Most of all the new animations in the game are done by him.

FG15 is a mapper, but does mainly mission maps. He is also in charge of the English version and helps coding.

RadagastTheMusical is a modeller and graphicer.

Prinz von Dol Amroth
Prinz von Dol Amroth is the video creator and created the Edain Searcher. Also, he helps with coding and with the apts.

Trapper is a mapper. Also he fixes map bugs and reworks maps.

Furthermore, there are former members of the Edain Team, of which Adamin should definitely should be mentioned, as he also worked on 4.0 as a graphicer and modeller, but due to inactivity he is only an honourable member at the moment.

Apart from the Edain Team itself, there are also many supporters and helpers.
Translators: Nightmaster and Martin
Apt-Editor: Gwanw
And of course the whole Team of Beta and Balance Testers.

Question of the Day 2

How was the Edain Mod born?

As this question is far too big and complex for answering it in a single day and in particular in a few hours, we will do a full update on it some days later.

Instead we will give you an update today.

Question of the Day 3

As we had two questions with exactly the same amount of votes today, we decided to answer both.


What RTS's played the biggest inspiration in how you designed the Edain mod in terms of gameplay? (Not counting BFME 1 and 2.)

I don't think that there have been that many direct inspirations of other RTS's, which influenced the Edain mod. I think the biggest influence was Stronghold, because many of the siege units and systems in patch 4.5 are strongly inspirated by Stronghold. Furthermore, the whole Age of Empires series has had a serious impact on Edain for sure, even if it is not that visible. I think most of us have played Age of Empires, and therefore we sometimes use examples of Age of Empires to discuss different systems and gameplay as well.

Of course these are not all, as probably every game that one has played yet, helps to see some new and different mechanics and to get a better inside, how games and in particular RTS work.


what was the most weird bug/WTF-situation that happened during development?

and keeping with the spirit of Star Wars this winter: what middle earth character do think would fit in the Star Wars galaxy? I'd say Gimli :P

Hm, maybe one could mistake Gimli for an Ewok, but this isn't sure. Also, Denethor's sinister and depressive behavior might fit really well into Star Wars.

As for funny and WTF situations, there have been many. Below, we want to share some of them with you:

Worldbuilder Problems:

Did you know that there was a website, which offered "Travell Camp in Edain 4.2" as a track to download and that it could even been bought on CD? (The website isn't only anymore)

When we started a "Brief Map Ideas" thread, we didn't expect an idea being that brief:

Dol Guldur movie map

How should this fan be able to play realistic movie battles:

I really hope you're reading this.
The lagg that I occasionally get after some time inside a skrimish fight makes the game unplayable sometimes. [...]
It normally happens after around 40min played when you have around 5000 units up.

Some creative suggestions for soundsets

Can you do Liam Neeson from 96 Hours as the soundset of Sauron?

A first concept of Dain on his boar

When the Testers requested a Misty Mountain Beta (note that Nebelberge is German for Misty Mountains)

What happens, when you cross Legolas' "Rain of Arrows" with Gimli's "Leap"

Sometimes your buildings want to go on adventures, too

Nothing is as horrible as a dragon: Scatha

Question of the Day 4

For the heroes that the Edain team has created that are unique to the mod, what were your inspirations for them and how do you see them fit into the Tolkien universe?
Also, which heroes are your favorites and why?

When creating a hero, the most important thing is his background. Therefore, the first question should always be, what do we know about a hero. Nearly all heroes in Edain are based on some background. Either it are the books, the movies or the old Angmar RPG from our German forum and where all the heroes of Angmar are from. The only heroes being based on none of these are Murin and Drar, which are from Tabletop.
So at the beginning of a concept, we are collecting information about the Hero, even if it are only small quotes from the book. For example, Gildor sang his song in the books, maybe that could be a cool ability for him. Maybe in the past, that might have been enough to create a concept, finding abilities which fit to the background of the hero and include them. But with the time we got much more experience of how a good hero should be designed.

The Thematic

The thematic of a hero is quite important, because it consequently influences how the player experiences playing the hero. This thematic should play a prominent role in the ability set of the Hero, but does not have to be in every single ability. Also, the thematic does not have to do anything with the role of the hero. A good example of heroes with a strong thematic are Denethor, Drauglin, Karsh, Zaphragor, Sharku, Halbarad and many more. All those heroes have something that makes them quite unique.

The Weapon

The weapon(s) that a hero uses should have an important and meaningfull influence on the concept of a hero and therefore also on his thematic.
It is without a doubt that most of all the heroes in Middle-Earth were able, to use a sword, spear, axe or bow and could also ride a horse (or something similar). Then why don't give any single hero all of these possibilities? Because it wouldn't make any difference at least not any good one. If you have a hero, which completly works with melee abilities and you give him the possibility to attack at range, it wouldn't do him any good. If he can use a bow, the player will automatically assume that using the bow, might be a good idea, which obviously it isn't if his abilities only work in melee. Furthermore, ranged heroes should be much more vulnerable as a balance for their range. So, would be a good idea to give a full melee hero a bow and therefore having to weaken his health?

Another example might be tank. A tank is supposed to stand in the middle of the battle and get all the attention of the enemy such that the rest of the army survives longer. Just imagine giving the tank a horse. The horse itself won't help him that much. He might get faster to the battle and might deal more damage, but dealing damage is not what he is supposed to be. Furthermore, he might charge into pikes and could be dead before he even gets usefull.
Now to look at some positive examples. Why do all heroes of Rohan have a mount? Because Rohan is a cavalry faction, and a hero, who can't mount is in danger of becoming useless, if Rohan uses much cavalry.
Bard's thematic is being a strong and deadly archer. Therefore he does not need a sword. Instead he has got a weapon switch from short bow to long bow, which fits him much better and is a much more interessting choice for him.
Also, one has to look at it from the following perspective. The more possibilites a hero gets, the weaker each of them has to become, as the hero has to stay overall as strong as before. In particular, adding unnecessary things can easily weaken a hero, as stay will reduce the procentual strength of each of his choices.

The Role

On of the most important things for a hero is his role. Similar to the thematic, also the role should play an important part in most of his abilities. Then why is the role so important?
First of all, the role allows a player to know what a hero is good at. Heroes are heroes and should do legendary deeds. And if you know, what legendary deed your hero prefers, it is much easier to these things, might it be leading and army into battle, stopping the attack of enemy, killing as many foes as you can, destroying the enemies favourite building, or strengthening your own heroes, ...
The more roles a hero has the more complicated it becomes to use him effectively. Just imagine, he has one strong ability to damage enemy buildings and one strong abiltiy to strengthen your own buildings. In this case you would never be able to use both abilities effectively, which makes the hero kind of lame.
Or the contratry scenario, a hero has one ability which heals both structures and heroes. In most of the cases, you will be able to use only on of the effects. But as there is the possibility that there is a situation, where he can use it on both, this has to be calculated for the strength of the hero. Therefore, having the hero specialized on only one of the roles would feel much better and stronger in most of all games.
Furthermore, there is also one more reason why heroes need a unique role. If two heroes can do exactly the same, there will be always a stronger one, so that the other one will always be the second choice, which is kind of frustrating.

Please note, that none of these arguments are universal. Nonetheless, all of these should be considered when creating a concept, even if the result is to ignore one of them.

Unique Concepts

There are two main ways, how a unique concepts gets created. The first is of course an idea specifically for that hero. Maybe the inspiration came from the books, from thoughts about gameplay or from inspirations from other games.

The other way is that while coding something is tried out, here a code is changed, there something is added and in the end, the foundations of a concept are born. Sometimes, this happens directly for the target hero, but often it is just an experiment and gets revived later, when a concept is discussed, where exactly this system might be a good addition.

Favourite Heroes

  • Ealendril: Gandalf, simply a classic
  • Lord of Mordor: pretty obvious
  • Rehsef: Durmarth, a constant development a fluent gameplay and a cool backgroundstory
  • Trapper: Mornamarth, a cool Palantir image and a great impression while playing
  • FG15: Bofur, the Pick Axe Throw (which is inspired by LoL) is lovely

Please leave your questions for Saturday as a comment below. Please repost your questions from other days, such that a new election can start.

Your Edain Team


Could you explain to us in detail all of the work that goes into releasing a new faction patch? Considering also that you have some models from 3.8 or 2014, how you refresh them, give them abilities, animations and stuff

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Favorite faction to play as?

Mine is obviously Isengard, mainly when it comes to how fleshed out their stages are and the fact they're one of the most powerful factions late-game. Equipping my superior Uruk-Hai with heavy armor is so satisfying when i show Mordor who's the real boss. Also who doesn't like Saruman and blowing stuff up (especially The Hornburg) with explosive mines?

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FG15 Author

Please keep repeating the question, as we have already prepared an answer.

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Did you guys ever wanted to make the Edain mod for a different game say Starcraft II or Age of Empires? Or possibly make the game from scratch on new engine entirely I.E Unreal Engine 4. As a way of not having to deal with technical difficulties like modding limitations as well as the lag that plagues Edain's online multiplayer. Especially considering that BFME II is ten years old.

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FG15 Author

The problem is, that as soon as we mod another game, or start creating a new game, we wouldn't have any permission anymore, to include Tolkien content at all.
As BfME already has Tolkien content, some things are allowed and other are not clear. But with another game, it would be forbidden for sure, jsut look at MERP for Scyrim.
So, doing Edain for anything different than BfME is out of question.

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I see, so games like Third Age Total War don't qualify, or you just don't want to risk a cease and desist letter from Warner Bros.

Sorry to hear, still good luck with the mod.

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I bet Lord of Mordor's favorite hero is Galadriel, that's just obvious :P

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Isn't his ModDB Avatar showing Galadriel anyway? With all that fire around, it's not very clear to determine ;)

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