Post news RSS 1519: Ethnic Unit Showcase

Ethnic Unit Showcase: I want to include all major military tribes and castes, here's what I have so far (Various 'Ranks', like Sipahi/Pindari/Taluqdar/Zamindar, etc. are not shown here) If there's another relevant group I'm missing please let me know

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//Ahir, scattered cattle herding nomads, good light-medium cavalry
//Africans, (Habshi/Abyssinian) Mercenaries and Military Slaves
//Arabians, Archers/Musketmen and Medium Cavalry, second only in value to European Mercenaries
?//Armenians, Possible rare mercenaries
//Assam Infantry, drawn from the Kamrup/Koch-Bihar/Ahom peoples, high morale, excellent fighters, Two-handed Swordsmen, Archers, Musketmen
//Awan Cavalry
//Badaga Swordsmen
//Baheliya musketmen, good morale, good at hiding, good stamina
//Baksari Clubmen and late era Musketmen, mercenaries found in Bihar
//Baluchi Cavalry Mercenaries
//Barha Sayyid, excellent Muslim chainmail clad swordsmen
//Bengali. known for their archery, light cavalry and archer/musket infantry, Afghan Bengali Ban Rocket Troops
//Bhil Tribal Archers
//Berad, exellent jungle skirmishers use bows and muskets
//Beydur Tribal Spearmen
//Bundela Rajput Musketmen, low grade purbiya musketmen
//Chavur, elite jungle infantry
//Chencu or Koya Tribal Archers
//Dzong Infantry Guard, Nepalese medium musketmen and swordsmen
//European Mercenaries, Portuguese Musketmen and Cannon crews/German Pikemen and Zwiehanders/Italian Musketmen/Venetian Musketmen/Swiss Pikemen and Musketmen
//Generic Indians
//Generic Pashtun/Pathans, also Rohilla Cavalry/Yusufzai Riflemen/Charkh Crossbowmen
//Ghokkar/Gakhar, North Punjab Tribe, Cavalry and Javelinmen
//Goan Longbowmen
//Gond Footmen, jungle archers and spearmen
//Gujjar, light javelin cavalry
//Gurkha, Nepalese Swordsmen, great stamina, bonus in snow
//Halepaika Light Cavalry
//Jat, peasant spearmen and light cavalry
//Japanese, Ronin Bodyguard for the Arrakan, Medium Archer Cavalry/Medium Infantry/Medium Musketmen late era
//Karaiyar Tribal Chieftain's Swordsmen, south indian and Shri lankan mercenaries
//Karnataki Sharpshooters
//Khokhars, North Punjab Tribe, light spearmen, javelin cavalry, light-medium spear cavalry
//Khorasan Heavy Cavalry Mercenaries
//Koli tribesmen, elite but rare archers and light raiding javelin cavalry
//Konkan naffutan throwers
//Komarpant Light Archer Cavalry
//Kurichiya Archers, excellent jungle fighters from South India
//Malabrese Infantry
//Mamluk Egyptian Mercenary Musketmen, High demand musketmen, more common late era
//Manipuri-Burmese Light Cavalry
//Mappila Muslim Musketmen
//Marathans, mostly light cavalry
//Mavale Footmen
//Mestizo Musketmen, Portuguese-Indian Offspring, high morale
//Mewat Raider Javelin Cavalry
//Mongol Archer Cavalry Mercenaries
//Moorish Javelinmen Mercenaries
//Mukkulathor people, who are also collectively known as Thevar, Tribal Bow and Spearmen, good morale
//Mukkuvar Spearmen Mercenaries, Tamil Caste found in Shri Lanka
//Nadavaru Light Spearmen
//Naga Sadhu Spear Infantry
//Nairs/Nayar, mostly melee infantry, jungle bonus, enthusiastic fighters
//Nayaks, Southern military vassals, good light cavalry
//Nepali Heavy Cavalry and Nepali Tribal Bowmen armed with Kukri short swords
//Odia Peoples, various military castes
//Purbiya, 'Eastern Rajputs', common mercenaries in Northern India
//Persian Cavalry Mercenaries
//Rajput, Mostly heavy cavalry, Hada/Rathore/Sisodiya/Khanzada/Ujjian/Janjua
//Sindh, light-medium archers and Medium Cavalry
//Sonakars (Tamil Muslims), Sri Lankan Moors who, along with Mukkuvar, dominated once in medieval era the pearl trade in Sri Lanka.
//Tajik Javelin Cavalry
//Tartar horse archers Mercenaries
//Teluga/Telinga Footmen
//Tibetains, heavy cavalry on small tibetain ponies and Tibetain Sharpshooters
//Tomara Medium Cavalry, quick/heavy hitting/disciplined mercenary or vassal cavalry from the Gwailor region
//Turkish Archer mercenaries/Soldiers from the Ottoman Empire. After the Europeans and the Arabs the Turks were the most valued mercenaries
//Ottoman Turkish/Rumeli Mercenary Musketmen, High demand musketmen, more common late era
//Uzbek Horse Archer Mercenaries
//Qizilbashi, elite melee-archer cavalry

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huzurat
huzurat

KingKorgoth

This is great work. Really appreciate the depth of this mod.

Just some suggestions and caveats to that end.

Gakhar/Khokkar: I understand from records that they were primarily light cavalry. Also Gakhars had good infantry skirmishers, so a infantry archer or javelin unit may be in order.

Janjua Rajputs (Medium Cavalry): A Martial race of Punjab and the Salt Range. Both Muslim and Hindu Janjuas have a distinguished history of military service. They were also the rivals of the Gakhars. Though Janjuas fought often under their Jagirdars, thus better equipped than Gakhars. The British later called them the only real pure Rajputs of Punjab.

Mewat Raider Cavalry (Bad but extremely Cheap Light Cavalry): A constant thorn for all Delhi besed empires right from Sultan Iltutusmush's time to the British Raj (13th century to the 19th). None seem to have ever completely subdued them

Maratha is used for both Singular and Plural. You don't need 'Marathans' as that is not used anywhere. If at all in hindi speech, they are sometimes called Marathe in plural. A fort will be Maratha fort, no Marathan. Just a clarification.

Khurasan Heavy Cavalry: Just a note that these are the most heavily armored cavalrymen in Asia, going back almost to their cataphract roots. They exceed even the Rajputs in durability, though lack much in offence and stamina. However, they should be an anti-armor unit thanks to their famed maces.

Turks from the Ottoman empire were called Rumeli. And Ghulams were not available in Anatolia by now. The greatest source of Ghulam cavalry was from Georgia and Armenia, converted Christin boys were trained as Ghulams by the Safavids of Persia. The Commander of Ghulams was called as the Qollaraghasi. These new Safavid Ghulams were instituted by Shah Tahmasp, and were armed as mounted musketeers rather than horse archers to lancers. These troops should be available from post 1530 onwards.


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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

huzurat
Gakhars should have excellent morale depicting their historical loyalty to mughals throughout turbulent times....as well as terrain bonuses in the northwestern regions like Rawalpindi

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huzurat
huzurat

I'm a bit ignorant about their loyalty, but they were intrepid warriors.

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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

huzurat

The gakhars were fiercely loyal to the mughals since the days of babur's conquest...apparently even during humayun's exile from hindustan,they created so much trouble for Sher Shah, that he constructed the now famous "Rohtas fort" to oversee their activities and suppress them

Ironically enough...after the mughal reoccupation...the very same rohtas which was constructed to subdue them became the capital of the gakhars and the mughals had no use for the fort....the mughals didn't find the fort useful since the gakhars already swore fealty to them and the nearby Attock fort served their interests better...

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sarwan88kabir
sarwan88kabir

My 2 cents.

It shouldn't be "Bengals" but "Bengali" or "Bangali". You can probably use the old word "Bangal" as well.

Bengalis were known for archers yes, but they were also known for medium infantry and elephants.

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KingKorgoth Author
KingKorgoth

sarwan88kabir Ah! thank you, I'll fix that

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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

huzurat
KingKorgoth

I had another ethnic unit in mind....but these are more professional than ethnic in some sense.....what do u guys feel about "Thugees".....these guys were active in the subcontinent around this time....carrying out murder and robbery.....we can give these guys bonus in forests,hills.....rebel armies can comprise these units....these could also be recruited as cheap mercenaries in large numbers.....high morale in forest and hilly battlefields but reduced on plain fields and deserts...but they should have low discipline...im pretty sure the best thugees could also afford horses....so we could have cavalry units also.....having these units in army can give extra bonus in supplies and war booty and when a settlement is occupied...a general with time could also acquire a related ancillary like "thugee accomplices" which can give additional loot bonus....they can also reveal more around the forest area in the campaign map because of their knowledge of hideouts...the rebel units should be easy to bribe as well..we can also have a "reformed thugee institution" building in settlement construction tab which will reduce banditry and increase trade income and also help recruit "reformed thugees"

Their origins are debated with many historcal theories....but no conclusive theory on their origin...some say they were a part of the armies of native rulers who disbanded them after the British conquest..but they have been mentioned far earlier by ziauddin barani in mid 14th century....they used ranks like jemadar and subedar which indicates some military link...whatdya guys think about this??

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huzurat
huzurat

Why not use them as an agent rather than a battlefield unit. I don't remember them fighting in a battle ever. I think Empire Total War used them as Spies for the Maratha Confederacy faction.

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lionheartofengland
lionheartofengland

i played the bulat steel total war mod and tried the custom battles in renaissance era with portugal and england and stuff and used the arquebusiers units. I think they have this unit and several other units like pikes well fleshed out. it would be wise to ask to import their european units for this mod and/or remodel over those units for musketeer regiments for the local forces.

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huzurat
huzurat

lionheartofengland

Just saw your post. Hmmm, seems promising, what is the time range of the mod? (15th/16th century to?)
And please tag us, KingKorgoth, Krish or me. Just add an @ before our names and it'll give you the option to tag.
That way we can keep track of your comments and replies through our notifications, and considering there are article threads on this mod spanning hundreds of comments, this is the only way to keep track.

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lionheartofengland
lionheartofengland

huzurat
KrishCN
KingKorgoth

this mod is a varient to stainless steel developed by modders such as Leeeka. I think we might need to ask for permission to use their models but this is the link for the mod:
Moddb.com

they have excellent middle eastern units as well which could be looked into for inspiration for the sultanates.

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huzurat
huzurat

Great. Will look into it.

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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

lionheartofengland
huzurat

I'm aware of this Bulat Steel mod...but it's 8gb download or something...have to clear some space before checking it..how are the middle eastern units in the mod

Btw guys I'm going through ospreys "men at arms" series to research some more units if I can...incase u don't know osprey is a publishing house that specialises in military history and it's books in "men at arms" contains detailed info about each military unit and some beautiful illustrations...should've remembered this book much earlier

Incase anyone of u can spare some space and time,please check out "Moldova total war BS Ottoman invasion 1454" mod....here is the link Moddb.com..
.I haven't played it but the mod is centered around ottoman empire,wallachia and Moldavia I think..so we might find some good models possibly,qizilbash as well...I'll try if I find some space and time anyway

Btw did any of u find a suitable qizilbash unit ??

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huzurat
huzurat

Not yet. Though several unit models from Anatolian Principalities look good enough. As long as we get a horse archer/lancer model, and a red rimmed turban, that'll be enough.

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