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Factions and Units for the 1725 Submod. Any ideas welcome

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=Some Major Differences between this and the 1519 submod
//Artillery is more common and developed, so artillery units are larger, cheaper, quicker to recruit, can be recruited more often, reload much faster and shoot more accurately. All factions will have access to explosive iron shell cannons and light field artillery from the start
//Muskets are much more common and developed, so musketmen units are larger, cheaper, can be recruited more often, reload faster, fire further, and more accurately. All factions will have access to peasant/regular/elite musketmen and sharpshooters from the start. Horse musketmen are much more common, cheaper, and reload much quicker. Many native archers have begun switching over to the musket as well.
//Late game explosive rockets
//Grenades become more common over naffatun
//Elite archers are more rare and expensive
//Crossbows are almost entirely phased out
//Ballista/Catapults are almost entirely phased out
//Cities and forts will have much improved cannon towers
//European Starforts, much improved wall strength and cannon towers over regular forts and walls



Factions

=Safavid Empire
=Sikh Empire
=Mughals
=Nawab of Bengal
=Kingdom of Mrauk
=The Kalhora Dynasty of Sindh
=Marwar Rajput
=Mewar Rajput
=Kingdom of Amber
=Maratha
=Garha Kingdom
=Nizam of Hyderabad
=Mysore
=Nawab of Carnatic
=Tranvacore
=Madurai Nayaks
=Kingdom of Kandy
=Nawabs of Oudh

and the Europeans are
=Portugal
=Dutch allied with Cochin
=British
=French

///Minor Factions (Rebels)
=Keladi Nayaks
=Tanjore Nayaks
=Nayakas of Chitradurga
=Gohad Jat state
=Bahawalpur
=Manipur
=Koch Bihar
=Bhutan
=Kachari Kingdom
=Ahom Kingdom
=Kingdom of Thekkumkur




=Safavid Empire
=Sikh Empire

//Light Sikh Cavalry, Musket Cav, Sword Cav

//Nihang, Elite Sikh Infantry armed with Swords, and Bows or Muskets

//Jat Cavalry


=MUGHAL EMPIRE (Silsila i Gurkaniyya)


Heavy Cavalry
//Ahadis Bodyguard Cavalry
//Mansabdari Heavy Cavalry, lower quality than in 1519 Mod
//Rajput Vassal Cavalry
//Generic Indian Heavy lancer and archer cav

Medium Cavalry
//Mughali Sipahi (Mughal Medium Lance Cavalry): Average medium mail armored lance cavalry. Used mainly to compliment the Horse Archers. Average Melee, though good charge. Good Discipline and Morale
//Rajput Vassal Cavalry
//Purbiya Sowar
//Rajput Vassal Lancers
?//Qizilbash Musket Cavalry
//Silhedar Sowar
//Generic Indian Medium Lancer
//Mughal Terandazi Sowar, an average horse archer unit, second rate troops that have not been provided with muskets.
//Mughal Medium Mounted Musketmen, improved rate of fire over 1519 mod mounted musketmen


Light Cavalry
?//Turkish Slave Archer Cavalry
//Mercenary Turkish Archer Cavalry
?//Baluch Sowar (Balichi Lancers): Superb Light lancers, bonus in deserts
//Pashtun Sowar (Pashtun Light Cavalry):. Light Lancer with good morale and discipline, bonus in deserts
//Camel Zamburak/Jingall, Light Artillery
//Camel Spearmen and Musketmen
//Rajput Vassal Cavalry
//Rajput Camel Cavalry, Lancers and Musketmen
//Maratha Horsemen
//Generic Indian Units, Light bow/javelin/lancer cav
//Mughal Light Mounted Musketmen, improved rate of fire over 1519 mod mounted musketmen


Heavy Infantry

//Dakhili
?//Barha Sayyid Talwarbaz (Barha Sayyid Swordsmen): A famed Hindustani Muslim group in the Indo-Gangetic. These are crack swordsmen, taking inspiration from local Gangetic traditions of dismounted Kshatriya warfare, combining it with their great zeal and pride as descendants of the great Prophet himself. However, their great pride does make them difficult to control. High Morale and impetuous heavy infantry

Medium Infantry
?//Pashtun Medium Infantry, spear/swords/axes
?//Mughali Shamsherbaz (Mughal Medium Swordsman): Expert Swordsman, well armored in medium mail. Best used to protect the ranged units. Vulnerable to heavy charges though. Good Morale and Discipline.
?//Purbiya Talwarbaz
?//Pathan Talwarbaz (Pathan Swordsmen): These stalwart infantrymen, armored in mail and wielding the iconic talwar. They combine the rugged hardiness of their Afghan heritage with the renowned swordsmanship of Hindustan. Heavy Infantry with great stamina and speed, second only to the Rajput Saka Yodha, however more disciplined.
?//Purabhiya Paik (Eastern Rajput Infantry): The old fashioned Kshatriyas who still excel as elite infantrymen, these men of the east, follow the ancient style of fighting dismounted, armed with spear and shield. They are disciplined and have great stamina, though they don lighter armor compared to their western cousins of the Rajputana. //Excellent Medium Spearmen, good counter to cavalry.

Light Infantry
?//Naga Sadhu Swordsmen and Spearmen, naked fanatic Hindu infantry
?//Generic Afghan Infantry, Spearmen/Talwarbaz
?//Jat Spearmen and Musketmen
//Chela Spearmen (Hindu Slave Soldiers), high morale, low upkeep but poorly armoured slave soldiers
//Generic Indian Units, levy/tribal/midgrade/elite Swordsmen/Spearmen

Missiles
//Sadhu Musketmen
?//Mercenary Turkish and Mamluk Musketmen
//Afghan Archers and Musketmen, levy and midgrade
?//Pashtun Musket Skirmishers, mercenaries from afghan/rohilla/or bengal
//Mughalia Teerandaz (Mughal Archers): Excellent and well trained archers, good morale and disciplined.
//Mughal Sepoy Musketmen, Lowlevel musketmen with light cloth armour
//Shah-Ala Regiment, (Mughal Elite Musketmen)
//Mughal Rocket Troops, Well trained rocket troops
//Bhil Tribal Archers and Musketmen
//Bengali Rocket Troops, recruited from the Afghans of Bengali who were said to be expert users of rockets
//Purbiya Musketmen, Excellent musketmen with medium leather or light chainmail armour
//Indian Muslim Archers and Musketmen, Native archers with turkish bows and light cloth armour
//Naffatun Throwers, small unit with short range nafta pots
//Mughal Naffatun Throwers, well trained nafta throwers
//Rocket Troops
//Generic Indian Archers and Javelinmen, Levy, Tribal, Midgrade, and Elite
//Indian Musketmen, low grade/Midgrade/upper grade
?//Rohilla Riflemen, late game mercenary
?//Mercenary Portuguese Musketmen


//Navy
-Dhow, small trading ship
-Cannon Dhow
-Baghlah (Arabic) and Ganjah (Indian), larger versions of the Dhow
-Cannon Baghlah and Ganjah

//Siege, Mostly manned by untrained Purbiya infantry
//Zarb-Zan, 4-6 pounder light cannon
//Kazan, 30-50 pound heavy cannon
//Kazan-I-Bozorg, up 100 pounds or more
//Firingi, swivel/antipersonel guns
//Deg, Mortar
//Rocket Rack, 9 barrel fire arrow launcher, Late Era upgrade to explosive rockets
//Monster Rocket Launcher, massive multi-barreled fire arrow launcher
//Elephant Artillery, light cannons mounted on deafened elephants
?//Light Camel Artillery
//Multi-barreled Organ Gun


=Nawab of Bengal
=Kingdom of Mrauk
=The Kalhora Dynasty of Sindh
=Marwar Rajput
=Mewar Rajput
=Kingdom of Amber


=Maratha

=Heavy Cavalry
//Elephants

=Medium Cavalry
//Purbiya Cavalry
//Huzurat Lancer Cavalry, Upgraded to Musket Cavalry in 1761
//Afghan/Pathan cavalry

=Light Cavalry
//Shiledar
//Pindari Light Lancer and Javelin Raider Cavalry, cheap but low morale
//Bargir
//Pathan Sawar (Pathan Javelin Cavalry):Light Jav Cav, Undisciplined and average morale
//Pashtun Light Cavalry
//Generic Indian Units, Light Cavalry, Light Jav Cav, Light Archer Cav

=Heavy Infantry
//Mailed Maratha Axemen

=Medium Infantry
//Pashtun Medium Spearmen and Swordsmen
//Pathan Talwarbaz (Pathan Swordsmen): These stalwart infantrymen, armored in mail and wielding the iconic talwar. They combine the rugged hardiness of their Afghan heritage with the renowned swordsmanship of Hindustan. Heavy Infantry with great stamina and speed, second only to the Rajput Saka Yodha, however more disciplined.

=Light Infantry
//Mavale
//Hasham
//Tribal Troops, Spearmen/clubmen/swordsmen
//Generic Indian Units, swordsmen/spearmen, elite an midgrade
//Gramin Paika (Rural Militia): Conscripted to serve as fodder, these are little better than camp followers and at worst are impediments.

//Missiles
=Hetkari/Konkani Musketmen
=Mestizo Musketmen from Goa/Calcutta/Agra
=Karnataki Sharpshooters
=Telangi Musketeers
=Koli Tribal Musketeers
=Bhil Tribal Musketeers
=Mercenary Purbiya Musketmen
=Mercenary Arabian Musketmen
=De Boigne's Sepoy Battalions, Late Era Unit

//Artillery
=Siege Guns, 16 and 24lb
=Howitzers
=Garbhandi, light mortar
=Rockets
=Shaturnals, Camel Guns


=Garha Kingdom

//Gond Musketmen


=Nizam of Hyderabad

//Sikh Bodyguards

//Maratha Cavalry

//Rohollas, Muslims from Audh, Sindh, Balochistan, and surrounding areas in North India

//Walas

//Teluga Infantry, Spearmen/Archers/Musketmen

//European Mercenaries


=Mysore

//Mysorean Rocket Footmen, Rocket Racks, MultiRocket Launchers

=Nawab of Carnatic
=Tranvacore
=Madurai Nayaks
=Kingdom of Kandy
=Nawabs of Oudh

=Portugal
=Dutch allied with Cochin


=British

//Jat Lancers

//Bengali Lancers

//Sepoys


=French

//French Infantry

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huzurat
huzurat

Some notable figures who would dominate the political and military scene in the 1720's and 30's

Mughal Empire and its vassals:

Padishah Muhammad Shah 'Rangila': The epithet of 'Rangilar' or the Colorful one, proved to be a fitting description of this highly debauched monarch whose antiques became the gossip of the decadent court of Delhi. Artistically gifted, this utter aesthete was ill suited to the political and practical rigors of being the Emperor of the Mughal Empire.

Nizam ul Mulk Asif Jah, Subedar i Deccan: The old veteran of the Empire and reputedly one of the best commanders in India. A Turk of high lineage who rose through the ranks under Aurangzeb. Formerly the Vazir of the Empire, after having been disgusted by the Imperial Court's incompetence and corruption, as well as having failed to reform the Government, he finally looked to return back to his fiefdom of the Deccan. However, his rivals in the Court wanted his ruin and promptly ordered his rival in Deccan Mubariz Khan to defeat him and kill him. However, the Nizam showed remarkable diplomatic tact and was able to enlist the young Peshwa Bajirao of the Maratha Kingdom to his aid, and soon with the Maratha light horse immobilizing his foe, he triumphed on field with his better artillery. Though now having used the Marathas, he looks to split them by instigating a wedge between the Satara Seat and the Kolhapur Seat, while pulling the strings from Hyderabad.

Vazir i Azam Qamar Al Din Khan: The Grand Vazir of the Mughal Empire, a competent general, though politically ineffective. Son of the brave though unfortunate Mohammad Amin Khan, an earlier Vazir who was killed by the Sayyid brothers, this young man was determined to hold his position in the Court, though his own ministers and governors are loath to accept his authority. It was often said that whenever the news of the Marathas' attacks would reach the Capital, he would arrange a trip to the neighboring gardens and hunting grounds for the Emperor, waiting for the Marathas to retreat at the onset of the monsoons before returning to the Capital.

Saadat Ali Khan Burhan ul Mulk, Subedar i Awadh: A powerful governor with much interference in the affairs of the Capital. This Khurasani immigrant rose from the rank of just an Amil (sub district revenue officer) to the post of a Governor in a span of around 10 years. His resourcefulness in securing his hold on the province Awadh and ability to raise and maintain large well horsed and gunned army was remarkable, and was the envy of all of the North India. Often greedy yet always brave and even reckless, his ambitions of provincial independence would be realized by his successors.

Mir Bakshi Samsam ud daullah Khan Dauran: The brash Military Head and Paymaster General of the Mughal empire, Khan Dauran was famed for equal measures of bravery and political pettiness, favoring his creatures over the interests of the empire. His disdain for the foreign aristocracy and desire for Hindustani and Rajput prominence often made him underestimate and misjudge his foes. A petty and impulsive man who would rather see the fortune of the Empire fall rather than lose his political clout and support. He was one of the ministers who under Jaipur Maharaja Sawai Jai Singh's advice, lobbied for Malwa and Gujarat to be ceded to the Marathas to appease them and make them allies of the Empire.

(to be continued)

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KrishnaCN
KrishnaCN

Precise and accurate description..especially about Muhammad Shah Rangeela 😂😂

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huzurat
huzurat

The man didn't leave a lot to imagination either. A richly deserved sobriquet if there ever was on.

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(continued)

Mughal Empire and its vassals

Muhammad Khan Bangash, Nawab i Farrukabad: Belonging to the race of Bangash Pashtuns, Muhammad Khan Bangash was a Pashtun mercenary in service to the Emperor Farrukhsiyar, and became a formidable commander in the imperial army, being raised to the rank of a Bawan Hazari Mansabdar (Commander of 52000). He founded the State of the Bangash Afghans, successfully expanding it against power of the older Mughal nobility of the Eastern Doab. He later conducted campaigns against Raja Chatrasal Bundela of Bundelkhand. The Bundela Raja called on Bajirao for aid, which resulted in Bangash's defeat. Further plans to make a combined alliance with Senapati Dhabade and Nizam also failed, when Bajirao rapidly advanced and defeated the Senapati at Dhaboi, Gujarat. Despite his losses against the Peshwa, the two adversaries kept cordial relations outside politics and war, with Muhammad Khan even hosting the Peshwa's mother on her visit to the holy cities of Mathura and Benares. Muhammad Khan Bangash was succeeded by his sons Qaim Khan and later Ahmed Khan Bangash.

Nawab Safdur Jung: Son-in-law of the Subedar i Awadh Saadat Ali Khan, Safdur Jung was a mercurial figure who oscillated between brilliance and incompetence. His aristocratic and haughty nature, with sheer disdain for hands on approach made him overly reliant on his subordinates, which in turn led to him being bested by his more 'earthy'contemporaries such as Malhar Rao Holkar and later Ahmed Khan Bangash. Sometimes a tactical master, though often careless, his career as a commander saw him beating Ahmed Shah Durrani, the Shah of Kandahar, only to be later beaten by mere Jagirdars when he looked to impose his authority. Later he planned to reduce the Mughal Empire as a vassal under the Maratha power simply to hold on to his position as the Vazir. Nonetheless, his perseverance ultimately saw him secure his dynasty as Nawabs of Awadh.

Abdus Samad Khan Bahadur, Faujdar i Sirhind, Wali i Lahore, Ispahsalar i Nazim: The governor of Punjab, Abdus Samad Khan was a Turk who was a Mughal loyalist, one of the few governors who maintained his command with diligence. However, he was fiercely opposed to the Sikhs and zealously persecuted them. His son Zakariya Khan Bahadur would succeed him as the Governor of Punjab, and would continue this policy of Sikh Persecution more vigorously. In the end this persecution only strengthened the resolve of the redoubtable Sikhs.

Nawabzade Zakariya Khan Bahadur, Naib Faujdar i Sirhind: Son and successor of Abdus Samad Khan Bahadur. Came into power in 1726. A capable commander, though unable to quell the rising Sikh power in Punjab.

Nawab Murshid Quli Khan, Subedar i Bengal: As boy of 10, he was converted to Islam and taken to Persia by a Khurasani nobleman. Here he rose from a clerk to a trained revenue officer. Returning to India, he worked in the revenue department and caught the eye of Emperor Aurangzeb who promoted him as the Diwan of Bengal province. The Emperor favored him over his own son the then Subedar of Bengal Shehzade(Prince) Azim us Shan, who was transferred to Bihar. Re-organizing and reforming the management of Subah, the new Subedar met Aurangzeb and supplied with much needed funds from his province. A grateful Aurangzeb gave him the title of Murshid Quli Khan, the name by which all know him today. Nawab Murshid Quli Khan had no son, so was succeeded by his son-in-law Nawab Shuja ud din Mohammad Khan (also from a converted family), thus ushering the era of the Nasiri Nawabs in Bengal until 1740.

Sarbuland Khan Bahadur, Subedar i Gujarat: The recently made the Governor of Gujarat had a long and arduous path ahead of him. The Maratha incursions had increased under capable leaders like Khanderao Dhabade and Pilaji Gaekwad. No matter how many times these Maratha raiders were driven from the field, they could never be brought to a decisive battle. Thus, tired of raids and this long war of attrition, Mughal commanders began ceding large tracts of land to the Marathas, and even began enlisting their support to settle their own petty squabbles. As of 1725, Marathas have taken over forts of Baroda and Songarh, as well several tracts in the Baruch area, threatening the rich port of Surat at will. Sarbuland Khan proved a weak ruler, who began the faulty policy of supporting the Maratha Peshwa against the renegade Maratha Senapati Dhabade, hoping that the ascendant Peshwa would spare Gujarat in gratitude, history would later prove him wrong. However, Sarbuland Khan would also incur the wrath of Maharaja Abhai Singh of Marwar, who thanks to Khan i Dauran's lobbying, was made the Subedar of Gujarat. In the ensuing struggle, Sarbuland Khan acquitted himself well, though ultimately was forced to give up his post as Subedar to the intrepid Rathore.


(To be continued)

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Mughal Empire and its vassals

Nasir Khan, Subedar i Kabul: An indolent and weak willed man, unfit to guard the border marches and pass of the north west frontier of the Empire. He inherited his post from his father, though retained it by the help of his Court Patron Roshan ud Daulha, a court favorite of the Emperor and in charge of Imperial Grants and Salaries. Any hope for an effective defence of Kabul ceased when in 1730, Roshan ud Daulah's court rival Khan Dauran instigated his fall. With th fall of his patron, the already neglected province was almost forgotten, mistake that would cost them dearly when Nader Shah of Persia invaded them, facing only an underpaid and undermanned provincial army.

Giridhar Bahadur, Subedar i Malwa: Newly made Subedar of Malwa, before him was the unenviable and daunting task of stopping the rising power of Marathas under Bajirao from taking over Malwa. For years Malwa had been an easy target for Maratha raids, just in the previous 4 year Bajirao and commanders had raided both Khandesh and Malwa, in 1723 Bajirao personally crossed Narmada and burst into Malwa, raiding and plundering and retreating before any imperial army could catch him. Giridhar Bahadur would prove himself an able governor, successfully able to hold his own for a while against the Maratha incursions. However, circumstances conspired to make his end an unfortunate one. With the Nizam ul Mulk's defeat at the hands of Bajirao at Palkhed in 1728, as well as the subsequent treachery of several Malwa magnates such as Nandloi Choudhary (infamously granted free passage to the Maratha army at a Narmada crossing into Malwa), led to him dying valiantly on the battlefield of Amjhera against Peshwa's younger brother Chimmaji Appa in 1729.

Daya Bahadur: Younger brother of Giridhar Bahadur, and the Bakshi (Paymaster General/Military Head) of Malwa, he proved a faithful and brave deputy to his elder brother. He took charge after his brother's death, and for a while looked to hold his army together, but it was not to be as he too was surrounded and slain in the same battle at Amjhera as his brother. With the fall of the 2 brothers, the province of Malwa would be open to Maratha conquest, which would finalized in 1737, and even recognized formally by Mughal Court in 1741.

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huzurat
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Rajputana Kingdoms and Subah i Ajmer (De Jure Vassals of the Mughals)

Sayyid Husain Khan Barha, Subedar i Ajmer: The weak and nominal governor of the Subah i Ajmer (Rajputana), he is utterly dependent on the good offices of his patrons at the Delhi Court and the Maharaja of Jaipur for his survival. Having already ceded the Sarkar (Division) of Nagor, all he has under his command is little more than the Sarkar of Ajmer, while surrounded by the dominant armies of both allied and hostile Rajputs. To the north he is supported by the Jaipur Maharaja, while to the South resides an exceedingly dangerous and unreliable ruler in the from of Maharaja Abhai Singh of Jodhpur and his battle hardened Marwari cavalyrmen.

Sawai Raja Jai Singh Kachchwaha, Maharaja Amer (Later Jaipur from 1727): The founder of Jaipur city and the most powerful Maharaja in Rajputana. Alongside Nizam ul Mulk and Saadat Ali Khan of Awadh, Raja Jai Singh is considered the most powerful Mughal grandee. He won back the favor of Emperor Aurangzeb, and was raised as an Amir ul Ummara (Highest Peerage of the Empire). After the death of Aurangzeb, the Maharaja of Amer planned on becoming the Supreme power in all of Rajputana, as well as gain the Subedari of Malwa, Ajmer and Gujarat, thus creating his own empire stretching from Narmada in the South to Chambal in the North. To this end he would play a complicated game of diplomacy with the Mughals, the Marathas and his fellow Rajput rulers. The Kachhwaha ruler would go on to become the Subedar of Malwa (thrice), Ajmer and Agra, ruling a vast swathe of land. Yet even he could not subdue the growing Maratha power. Initially he was able to beat back the Marathas from Malwa, but after Bajirao's rise, in his 3rd tenure as the Subedar of Malwa between 1732-37, he was beaten by the Marathas at Mandsaur and later forced to retreat after paying reparations to the Marathas. After Bajirao's conquest of Malwa and Bundelkhand (1737-38), and Nader Shah's invasion of 1739, Jai Singh focused on becoming the Paramount ruler of the Rajputana, but his ambition failed against a small army of the famed Rathore cavalrymen at the battle Ganganwana.

Maharaja Abhai Singh Rathore, Maharaja Raja Rajeshwar Jodhpur: After having assisted in his father's campaigns against the Mughals, culminating in a peace treaty that finally ensured Jodhpur State's autonomy and recognition by the Mughal Court in return of allegiance and armed support, the young Maharaja has taken the reins of his Kingdom. It is suggested in some histories that Abhai Singh had instigated his younger brother Bakht Singh Rathore to murder their father Maharaja Ajit Singh. At any rate, Bakht Singh was given the fief of Nagor and made the Commander of the Marwari army, second only to his elder brother. Maharaja Abhai Singh's great ambitions would lead him against the Sarbuland Khan in Gujarat, from whom he would seize the Subedari of Gujarat in 1730. Further, Abhai Singh would go on to repel Sawai Raja Jai Singh Maharaja of Jaipur's attempts to dominate the Rajputana at the battle of Ganganwana. The ambitious Maharaja also attempted to annex the State of Bikaner to his territory, although his younger brother Bakht Singh opposed this, stating that Bikaner also being ruled by a junior cadet line of the same Rathore dynasty cannot be annexed. Such disagreements led to several clashes and sporadic civil wars between the brothers, both of whom were wont to call the aid of rising Maratha power to their aid.

Maharana Sangram Singh Sissodiya II, Maharana Udaipur: The ruler of the Udaipur State and named after his valiant ancestor Rana Sanga (full name Maharana Sangram), however this ruler is content to defend his territories rather than ride to wars. After Maharana Amar Singh's peace treaty with Emperor Jehangir in early 17th cenutry, the Mughals agreed to allow Mewar to remain autonomous and isolated from the general politics of the age. In the reign of Aurangzeb's orthodoxy, the Maharanas of Mewar once more fought against the Mughals, driving them from Mewar and even supporting the resistance in Marwar. With the disintegration of the Mughals and the rise of the Marathas, the Maharana had been proposed as the new Hindu Pad Padshah to replace the Mughals. However, he would not agree to become a cipher under the Peshwas, and would rather be an arbitrator of the many disputes in Rajputana rather than just figure head India.

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KingKorgoth Author
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huzurat Great research on all the characters! I'm going to try to finish the settlements and characters for the 1519 mod before I do much work on this one but I'll try to upload a basic map in the next month or so

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huzurat
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KingKorgoth

Indeed, take full time to first develop the main mod, we can work on 1725 later. By the way, I've posted some Portuguese units in factions and units section, do check them and add what you may. Many units are already available in the base game (unsurprisingly). Many can be acquired from mods covering the Italian Wars etc.

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KrishnaCN
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huzurat

Don't forget Prithvi Narayan Shah of the gorkha empire in Nepal...

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huzurat
huzurat

Founder of Asal Hindustan ;D

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KrishnaCN
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Haha lol

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KrishnaCN
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KingKorgoth
On ur doubt about ? Marked units
I think archery was in decline by this time in general but mughals used bows and arrows throughout the 18th century(i.e 1700s)....apparently they were used even in 1857 rebellion...but I'm not sure as to how much it declined...but I would assume horse archery atleast would be very much still relevant

Because Indian armies were in general always very late in obtaining advanced technology....but definitely artillery units increased and became widespread....

But I highly doubt crossbowmen remained relevant...I think crossbows were rendered obsolete a very long time before this

Agincourt was a very good instance of a normal longbow decimating the crossbow and agincourt was like what...ancient history(hyperbole XD)by these times..so u can eliminate the crossbow

As for riflemen and musketeers..they would definitely be relevant...spearmen swordsmen javelinmen and lancers,all of them would be relevant since hand to hand and melee situations could arise at any point in the battle and as such armies always had a secondary melee/sidearm should such a situation arise

Maybe huzurat knows this better

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huzurat
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KrishnaCN
KingKorgoth

Yes, horse archers and bows were well in use into the 18th century. At the Battle of Delhi in 1771 between the Marathas and the Mughals, some Mughal cavalrymen did use bows. However, it was in cases where Muskets were not available or not in enough quantity. Wealthy cavalrymen did use muskets over bows. I say let there be a cheap generic mailed Mughal medium horse archer, like a successor to older Qurchis. However, these Mughal Sowars by now had become obsolete, being regularly defeated by musket armed Qizilbashi and lance armed Marathas and Afghans.

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huzurat
huzurat

KingKorgoth

Some notes for the 1725 rosters:

1. At the onset of the campaign, the 3 best armies (at least perceived so) were the Nizam ul Mulk's (Hyderabad), Saadat Ali Khan's (Awadh) and Sawai Raja Jai Singh's (Jaipur) forces. Nizam ul Mulk's army comprised of Turkic Heavy Cavalry (with some Maratha mercenaries) and artillery and musket infantry (Afghans, Telangis and Arabs dominated these, later French and much later British). Saadat Ali Khan and his son in law Safdar Jung built their army around their fellow Khurasanis and Iranians as Heavy Cavalry, bolstered by some Qizilbashi horse musketeers, Turkic and Pashtun cavalry contingents, and finally Hindustani Sayyids and Purabiyas as infantry and musket support. Sawai Raja Jai Singh's armies had at least 30000 Rajput Heavy Cavalry, supported by excellent Jat and Purabya infantry (musketeers and melee both). Some junior and poorer Rajputs had begun enlisting as musketeers, though were very substandard.

2. Rohillas and Bangash Afghans were the 2 most dominant Pashtun groups during this time, with the Bangash remaining the more powerful of the 2 till the rise of Najib ud Daula in 1750's. Both Afghan groups excelled as superb musketeers. Extremely hardy and redoubtable. From here onward, Indian Pashtuns become infantry focused, only Pindaris and Afghanistan based Pashtuns still remained cavalry focused (that too would change with Nader Shah's military reforms). I'll be posting some battles focusing on these amazing infatrymen.

3. Maratha Huzurat Cavalrymen were not heavy cavalry, at the most they were 'light medium cavalry'. Despite exaggerated portraiture, they mostly only wore light mail and chaar aina armor(four mirror plates). Their horses did not have bardings, and were quite fleet. In fact the Huzurat specially distinguished themselves under Bajirao in rapid cavalry dashes, often covering 40-70 miles per day, acting much like Maratha Shiledars and Bargirs. They should be a glass canon type unit with average armor, excellent charge, high offence and slight speed bonus as an elite fast medium cavalry. Post Panipat, Maratha Huzurat became musket based, however rapidly declined in quality and hardiness as it became a corps to accommodate the young nobles and their military careers rather than real soldiers, often buying their places into the unit.

4. Afghan faction would have a drastic change after 1747 (Ahmed Shah Durrani's rise). The Hotaki Afghans based in Kandahar were never a serious threat to the Mughals in Kabul. They were a Heavy Lance Cavalry based military, their stunning charges broke Safavid armies with ease. It was only Nader Shah's Jezair armed musketeers (Jezayarchi) with Zamubrak (camel artillery) that broke their power in 1729. The later Durrani Afghans were a combination of Hotaki Heavy and Medium Cavalry, combined with Persian light Qizilbash Musket Cavalry, Jezair Musketeers and the Zamuburak Camel artillery. At Panipat when the Maratha Huzurat routed the Afghan Heavy Cavalry in the center, Ahmed Shah Durrani sent forward his Zamburak artillery and Qizilbash musket cavalry. After devastating volleys of fire, the reserve Afghan Heavy Cavalry as well as earlier fleeing Heavy Cavalry were rallied and charged back into the fray, overwhelming the Huzurat. This combined arms tactic would make Durrani armies extremely versatile in all situations.

(To be continued)

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5. Qizilbashi Cavalry shifted from Medium to Light Musket Cavalry by this time. Some old styles regiments were maintained but by Nader Shah's time they were wholly made musket based. Their main tactic was to ride up to the enemy, discharge their shots and retreat, often doing this many times before charging. The musket fire's effectiveness against armor and the convenient size of the carbines and pistols meant that they were better than any horse archer or other light cavalrymen in as far as the sting of their attack was concerned. In 1748, the Qizilbashi mercenaries of Ahmed Shah Durrani would baffle the Jaipur Rajput Cavalry by their shoot and retreat musketry. The Rajput lances and bows could not match the Qizilbash carbines. Everytime Rajputs would look to charge, the Qizilbash would retreat to their artillery cover, while the inefficient and antiquated Rajput artillery were missing their shots. However, thanks to Safdur Jung's own modernized Musketeers on the other wing, the Mughals won the battle ultimately.

6. Sikh Light Cavalry evolved into Musket Light Cavalry only after 1770. There is a lot of modern historical revisionism with Sikh history, outright fabrications of great victories and what not, especially on the wiki pages. There are claims that Sikhs defeated both Najib ud Daula Rohilla (in 1760's) and Wazir Mirza Najaf Khan (in 1770's). And even defeated a Durrani invasion in full battle (1760s). These are all modern nationalist revisionist accounts. Sikhs were superb horsemen, but did not possess enough muskets or artillery to stand and fight or even match their enemy's horse musketeers. Durrani, Najib ud Daula and Mirza Najaf Khan, all defeated the Sikhs in multiple running cavalry engagements thanks to their greater firepower over the Sikh lances, swords and bows. The ultimate Sikh victory was down to their hardy constitution (able to outpace and outlast most armies) and tactical speed and stealth. Struggles of 1760's and 70's finally made them establish a robust military system which later had access to Muskets on a truly large scale from 1780's onward, from then on we hear reliable accounts of Sikhs beating entire armies in engagements (though still not in pitched regular battles, that would come with Maharaja Ranjit Singh's infantry Brigades). The earliest record of Sikhs fighting as mobile musket skirmishers doing the 'caracole' style musketry comes from mid-late 1770's. Before that Sikhs used lances and bows primarily. Sikhs were seen to have possessed the best light cavalry in India post 1761. A British observer noted that compared to the dwarfish Maratha Deccani mares, the Sikh horses (mostly Marwari, Tazi and Kathiawari bred in Punjab) were bigger and faster, especially over short distance. They regularly rode 40-50 miles as per the British observations, often skirmishing for days on end, and always able to attack and escape at will owing to their superior hardiness and constitution in comparison to the Mughal forces. However, until 1740, they were no match for a proper Mughal Army.In fact in 1725, Sikh power was thoroughly crushed with only small embers still smoldering as in 1713 the Mughals had brutally crushed Banda Singh Bahadur and his ferocious Sikh bands. Nader Shah's invasion would give them the opening in Punjab that they required.

7. De Boigne's Brigades: After the initial success of the Battalions, Scinda raised De Boigne's rank and commissioned him to prepare multiple full strength Brigades for action. These Brigades were called Campoos. Each Campoo had its own attachment of an artillery battery (Topkhana) and a 500 strong Regular European style Cavalry regiment (Sowar Risala), and finally 500-600 Pathan irregular infantry musketeers called the Najibs. The Najibs were the van guard of the Campoo in any assault, with artillery support, followed by the rest of the Paltans (Battalions) that had Europeans, Half Europeans, Telangis and Purabiyas. All Brigades and Battalions were officered by Europeans, especially French officers.

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More notes the Roster for 1725:

1. No Mughal Qurchi or Qazzaki, rather replace it with simple Mughal Sowar, an average horse archer unit, these would be the second rate troops that have not been provided with muskets.

2. The Elite Mughal Troops are now Heavy Cavalry based, not Light and Medium Horse archer based, the transition from Turco Mongol to Indo Persian has happened by now. This Indo-Persian style will be reflected in Ahadi Heavy Cavalry and Mansabdari Heavy Cavalry. Post 1770, Ahadi Musket Cavalry will be available, as well as unique Persian Zamburak Camels (better than default Zamburak).

3. Qizilbashi are no longer Medium Horse Archers, but are rather now an elite light Musket based cavalry. Qizilbashi will be available only as elite mercenaries, though Saadal Ali Khan and Safdur Jung, both Khurasani with close ties to Iran can get them through Awadh's special building tree. Apart from this, Awadh will also get a special Elite Qizilbashi Medium Melee and Musket Cavalry, these will be the elite guard cavalry for the Persian Awadh rulers, and will be called Qizilbash Shahi Sowar.

4. Also most unit names, including those of Hindu Kingdoms, will be Urdu/Persian oriented. So Paik will become Pyada/Paidal, and Asvaka will become Sowar. Even for Hindu rulers. So the Rajputs will have Rajput Raj Sowar/Rajput Rathore Sowar etc.

5. Mughals will not have any Pashtun skrimisher unit units, save for as Mercenaries. Rather only their Rohilla and Bangash chiefs men will have such skirmishers. Also Pashtns will not use Javelins anymore, rather muskets. One way is to limit Pashtun Skirmisher recruitment just Kabul, Kandahar, Rohillkhand (towns and forts of Barreilly, Pathargarh in modern day North UP State) and Farrukabad and Fategarh in Central UP State (a it towards the West side) for Bangash Pashtuns.

6. Mughal Musketeer who was not part of an elite regiment, was called Ahsam Banduqbaz. Ahsam were cheap sepoys, easily raised. I'm also re-posting a few elite Mughal regiments that really distinguished themselves both under Mughal Emperor and his later independent vassals.

Shah-Walle Regiment (Delhi-Garrison Heavy Guard Cavalry): Emperor's Guard Cavalry. While the Ahadis are elite cavaliers, these are the dedicated bodyguards of the Mughal Emperor. These men fight as elite heavy lancers, with the best armor and horseflesh that gold can buy. However, they are only available to the Emperor, not even to Princes and Generals of the Empire. While no expenses are spared in equipping them, due to their positions near the Emperor in the Capital, these are somewhat of questionable efficiency in prolonged melee and stamina. (Elite Heavy Cavalry with great charge but low stamina and average melee stats)

Note: This unit is not to be used beyond Delhi and Agra provinces. They are Guards above soldiers. They must be Delhi-restricted, an emergency Garrison Unit.

Wala-Shahi Regiment (Chief's Elite Heavy Lancers): Mughal chiefs maintained a personal retinue of soldiers, raised and maintained independent of the Empire. These men are personally loyal to their chiefs before even the Emperor. Each Wala-Shahi is raised from the personal jagirs (fiefs) of the noble.

Note: This unit is the General bodyguard for all apart from the Emperor.

Shah-Ala Regiment (Royal Musketeers): Unlike most of the infantry, these men are elite of elites, the finest marksmen in the subcontinent, and superb in melee. Drawn from Afghan, Rumeli (Anatolian Turks) and Arabians, this unit forms the backbone of the Mughal infantry in the subcontinent. Equally comfortable in delivering blistering volleys of fire, or charging with their iconic Talwars.
(Elite Musket unit, great in melee also, excellent stamina).

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In general....about the kind of native warfare in this period...it saw a great increase in field fortifications(mounds,fences,stakes,gunny sacks etc etc) and entrenchments....musketeers and infantry fighting behind cover

Melee Infantry declined and became a supporting unit for musketeers....it would be safe to say musketeers would even have a secondary melee weapon to defend themselves

Cavalry adopted muskets...thus cavalry would include melee,missile as well as artillery brigades...including camel and elephant artilleries

Field Fortifications existed much before as well...

so overall both 1519 and 1725 mods will feature similar tactics and battles,the only difference being that the latter will be witness to militaries of equal capability and technology(and thus better manuveuribility and placement will become crucial ) while former will initially see battles with disproportionate casualties and results

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Guys, last point in terms of 1725 combat setting, the melee lancer cavalry was still the mainstream elite troop of the battlefield. Musket cavalry until 1761, was merely a support cavalry, not mostly seen on the battlefield. Even Nader Shah's army, though having Jezayarchi and Zamurak, depended the most on lancer cavalry. Nader Shah's lancers were supported by mounted and dismounted musketeers and camel mounted swivel cannons, but never superseded.

This is an average Afshar cavalryman:

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Nader Shah's cavalry mostly used charge and retreat tactics, never staying stationary for a protracted engagement. Large scale musket use for a full cavalry unit came in use only after 1738, and then too became mainstreamed only after 1760's. Even after 1760's, muskets only did limited damage and even then only when under the protection of artillery or other units, and musket cavalry always carried sabers or even lances as their primary weapon for full engagement.

Infantry Musketeers were used in India, but were largely ineffective save for a handful of elite regiments prior to 1750's (After Nader Shah's invasion and the Carnatic war). Even after that, only a handful of musket regiments really distinguished themselves. Like the French trained Gardis for Hyderabad and Marathas in 1750's to 60's.

1725-1739 was still a cavalry golden age, with all cavalry armies still dominating the North and Central India. Even after that melee cavalry dominated all the way till 1761, after which the defeat of the Marathas and British truimph at Buxar finally ushered the age of disciplined Infantry and Artillery dominating large native cavalry armies. Though even then commanders like Madhav Rao Peshwa, Haider Ali, Tukoji and Yeshwantrao Holkar, and Rathore, Pindari and Sikh cavalrymen still managed to show the heydays of Cavalry, both heavy and light.

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If one reads this period,the entire 1700s,he will realise that this particular century was most certainly decisive to India's future atleast

If one carefully and symbolically analyses Battle of Karnal 1739 AD,atleast for the Indian subcontinent,it spelled doom....the city of Karnal where the battle took place is also coincidentally named after the legendary and tragic warrior Karna(supposedly one among the great warriors of the Mahabharata war...apart from drona and bhishma,he was the only man equal or perhaps better than the protagonist arjuna)...Karna was the only man hellbent on winning the war for his friend and liege Duryodhana and statistically he was responsible for the highest number of pandava casualties...he entered the battle on the eleventh day of the total 18 day war...on the 13th and 14th day he was placed inside the chakravyuha formation and the padma-shakata-suji vyuha(a hybrid of lotus,box cart and needle formations)formation respectively..so he wouldn't cause any casualties to the pandava forces because he was tasked with special missions like protecting jayadratha..and being inside the formation meant he wouldn't be in direct conflict with enemy soldiers...he died on the 17th day...so on the whole he fought for only 5 days effectively.....yet he was singlehandedly responsible for the wholesale annihilation of the panchala allies(the panchalas themselves fielded quite a few Akshauhini of warriors out of the total pandava coalition of 7 akshauhinis)of pandavas

As long as Karna lived,Duryodhana didn't mind ups and downs and his generals falling in the war...but the day karna was treacherously killed,Duryodhana knew his fate was sealed and he had no hope

Ironically what died on the 17th day of the war due to unfair combat was not just Karna but also the rightful heir of the Kuru/Hastinapur Empire...because in reality Karna was Kunti's son before her marriage and actually the eldest son of Pandu,the eldest brother of the Pandavas and rightful heir to the throne of Kuru empire....The entire war spelled ruin for the Kuru royal line...despite winning the war,Pandavas found no heirs left since all young princes were slaughtered...the only hope left was abhimanyu's pregnant wife Uttaraa...she delivered a dead foetus,but the boy was miraculously brought to life by Lord Krishna's divine intervention and the kuru line just managed to survive...when seen in this context,If someone had interceded on Karna's behalf and revealed his royal birth the entire fratrcide could have been avoided...since Karna was actually the diplomatic and military endgame of both the parties..

Whatever the reality of this story in the mythological realm,the battle of Karnal,nevertheless proved just as tragic for India as it's heroic namesake Karna

At Karnal not only did India lose a ruler's wealth and power but also it's freedom and independence as an imperial power howsoever hollow it was by that time...

The rout of the mughals at Karnal exposed the weakness of the country if at all it hadn't been evident until then....militarily the mughals had declined but the empire was fabulously wealthy...the defeat fuelled the ambitions of the british east India company

The defeat of the mughals and the unfortunate massacre and plunder of Delhi sapped the empire of its morale and wealth...in a span of just one night and early morning,nearly 30,000 citizens of Delhi were massacred by Nader Shah's forces in retaliation for murder of Persian soldiers by some mischievous mob....an estimated 700 million rupees was looted and taken away(including the Famed Peacock Throne,Koh-i-Noor and Daria-i-noor diamonds)by Nader Shah from Delhi...the loot was so huge,he suspended taxation of his citizens for 3 years....

Within 20 years of this defeat,all regional players became independent and increasingly powerful and the mughal became a titular monarch,the resurgent Maratha empire gradually nibbled at the mughal domains and reduced the empire to a protectorate,the british began misusing the dastaks and started illegally building forts and in 1757 after Plassey they placed their stooge as the nawab of Bengal

4 years from there in 1761,the Marathas were crushed at panipat..the battle saw one of the largest casualties in a single day field battle...though they would bounce back,they were thoroughly demoralised

Just 3 years after that in 1764,at Buxar the Mughal emperor along with his subordinate Nawabs would make his last effort to punish the errant British merchants as an imperial sovereign and protector of the land...this attempt too was soundly thwarted

8 years after that,the last native imperial power,the resurgent Marathas would be dealt a crushing blow they would never recover from...this time it came in the form of the early and untimely demise of the young 28 year old Peshwa Madhavrao

Continued below....

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Continued from above....

And finally in 1799,the last man standing between India and the British,the Sultan of Mysore,Tipu would be treacherously defeated by bribing his general mir sadiq...

Within a span of just 60 years(1739-1799) everything snowballed out of the natives hands and majority if not the whole of the subcontinent either became a protectorate or was annexed by the British

What followed next was 200 years of economical and social slavery

Just goes to show how decisive Karnal was

Aurangzeb's conquest of Deccan and Mughal peak in 1707 seems like yesterday when seen in proximity to Karnal

Yet in less than 100 years(1707-1799),an entire country slipped from the hands of a native overlord to a bunch of merchants
Who came to trade spices

For a country with a history of thousands of years,a relatively small span of 100 years became very decisive and saw more gains and reverses than its entire history....

Indian native kings and nawabs were replaced as and when the British wished by a private trade company run by a band of merchants

The splendour and authority of Indian kings and Nawabs became a subject of joke for the British officers and generals who accumulated and hoarded so much wealth in their campaigns that when they returned home to Britain and flaunted their wealth,they were enviously referred to as "Nabobs" by the common populace

The authority of native kings was a laughing stock for the British which is evident in how governor general Robert Clive remarked saying "if Nabobs don't obey us,then we will have to become Nabobs ourselves"

The immediate as well as long term aftermath of Karnal was very much decisive

The defeat at Karnal truly emphasises the reality of "Vae Victis"(meaning "woe to the vanquished")in war

The entire comedy of this tragedy is very well summarised by a mughal official in the aftermath of the empire's defeat at the battle of buxar...after the humiliating british conditions were accepted and the treaty of Allahabad was signed(by which the emperor Shah alam would cede the diwani rights i.e revenue rights of Bengal Bihar and Orissa to the east India company),a certain mughal official dismally remarked that "the emperor of hindustan was reduced to the status of a beggar that too by merchants who don't even how to wash their behind"...(pretty sure all Indians atleast will understand and relate to this joke😂😂😂)..

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Nice summary, but I feel that you overestimate the Karnal Battle. The battle actually did not see that scale of massacre that everyone keeps harping about. The Mughal casualties were around 10000, Persians being in the region of 4000-8000. The Battle itself saw only the contingents of Samsamudaulah Khan Dauran and Saadat Ali Khan Burhan ul Mulk in action, so only around 30000 Mughal troops engaged in active battle, both of which were ambushed by Nader Shah using his light cavalry to lure and his Jezayarchi, Zamburak and Lance cavalry regiments to then attack. The Emperor with his contingent, and the Nizam ul Mulk with his army (the best equipped in India), both stayed behind. The full Mughal army itself did not exceed 80000 combatants (not including the vast horde of camp followers). The Mughal position became dire when their Grand Camp ran out of supplies, and with both Saadat Khan's and Khan Dauran's divisions defeated, they did not have any chance to force a new line of retreat or supply. As a result Nader Shah won the Battle. The later what happened in Delhi was civilian massacre, not military.

However, the Mughals were already a moth eaten empire by the time of Nader Shah. As the British Historian William Irvine stated perfectly in his well researched book the Later Mughals; the Battle of Karnal was a symptom of the Mughal decline, not the cause.
The start of an irreversible decline was done by the Nizam ul Mulk when he, using his superior artillery and Maratha help, destroyed the army of Mughal Loyalist Mubaariz Khan, the previous Governor of the Deccan, in 1724. From then on the Emperor's commanders became feudatories rather than officers of the Empire.

From 1719 to 1738, the Mughals lost Khandesh, Gujarat, Berar, Malwa, parts of Rajputana and Bundelkhand to the Marathas.
Which means that all of Central India and most of Western India slipped from their grasp. At the Battles of Amjhera, Jaitpur, Mandsaur and then the raid on Delhi, the Mughals lost many men, including the battering of the Ahadi division in 1737. The back to back decimation of the Malwa and later the Bangash armies in 1728-29, opened the floodgates, after this the yearly Maratharaids on Malwa and Rajputana became inevitable. After Maharaja Sawai Jai Singh and Mir Bakshi Khan Dauran's defeat at Mandsaur in 1735, and later Wazir Qamaruddin Khan's humiliation at Delhi in early 1737, the last chance for the Mughals to salvage the situation was the Battle of Bhopal, where they gathered some 150000-250000 combatants, with Nizam ul Mulk leading a massive coalition army of almost all major Mughal grandees (except Vazir Qamaruddin Khan and Mir Bakshi Khan Dowran, though they previously had been beaten anyway). This army was surrounded and forced to surrender by Bajirao in 1738, though not before wrecking significant casualties on the contingents of Safdur Jung, Maharaja of Kotah, and Jai Singh's own elite horse led by his son, and finally the utter extermination of Mir Mannu's army, the Faujdar of Shahjahanapur (this happened before the Battle, courtesy Rannoji Scindia and Malharorao Holkar).

Between the lost men, money and territories against the Peshwa, the Mughals could no longer assemble the army that they could have at Bhopal.

Nader Shah's invasion actually provided an opening for the Sikhs in Punjab to finally throw off the Mughal yoke, for since Banda Singh Bahadur's defeat and gruesome death in 1716, the Sikh power had been successfully subjugated by the Mughals.
Also despite Karnal, we would do well to remember that when ably led, the Mughals could still defeat Ahmed Shah Durrani in 1748, Safdur Jung particularly shining in that war. Later even in his 2nd invasion, Ahmed Shah Durrani was forced back, unable to take Lahore. It was only after Imad ul Mulk's rise and the Maratha eclipse on Delhi after the Battle of Sikandarabad (where Malhar Rao Holkar captured the Royal Family and Harem and routed the entire Ahadi division again) that the Mughals became puppets, irredeemably losing power.

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(continued from above)

Also the British victory was not inevitable since Buxar in 1764, far from it in fact. The British would suffer back to back defeats at the hands of Haider Ali in 1769 and 1781 (both times Haidar losing all the pitched battles but using his Cavalry and 'Rockets' to score significant victories), then in the First Anglo Maratha war (1778-1782), where 2 Company armies were defeated in the Deccan and then a 3rd from Calutta was stopped in Central India by Scindia.

The British advantage over Mysore came when Tipu Sultan attacked the Nawab of Savanur Abdul Hakim Khan, who was a Maratha vassal and their chief agent and ally in the south, and also several of the Nizam's southern and eastern districts, and feudatories such as the Nawab of Adoni. This led to the Marathas and later the Nizam attacking Mysore, forcing the Treaty of Gajendragad in 1787, whereby he was forced to pay his arrears and surrender some of northern territories. Later in 1789-90 Tipu Sultan made an unprovoked attack on the Raja of Travancore, where he was defeated badly at the Nedumkotta lines. Tipu vowed vengeance, which led the Raja of Travancore to make an alliance with the British, and they both then made a joint counter attack on Tipu. Further to escalate the problem, Tipu had reneged the treaty to pay the Marathas the annual tribute that had been agreed upon, and even once again usurped some of Nizam's border districts. Naturally all four confederates converged on Mysore and Tipu was badly defeated in the 1792 war, losing half of his kingdom as well as having to a crippling war debt and reparation to the allies. After this loss, Tipu's subsequent fall was inevitable in 1799, which was not much of a contest, with several of Tipu's officers defecting.

However, the most difficult challenge that lay before the British to conquer India was actually the now scattered patchwork of the Maratha Confederacy. But the Marathas themselves had exhausted their resources and armies in 4 back to back civil wars between 1796-1803, culminating in Yeshwant Rao Holkar, the most capable Maratha general of the time, destroying the combined armies of the Peshwa Bajirao II and Daulatrao Scindia at Hadaspar, before sacking the Maratha Capital of Pune itself. A petrified Bajirao II fled into the British arms and signed a subsidiary treaty. Having dealt with Tipu Sultan, the East India Company and now backed by several Regular British Army regiments, including the redoubtable Highlanders, not to mention several allied native troops, marched on Pune to install Bajirao II as their puppet ruler. For once Daulatrao Scindia appealed to the Maratha Confederacy to unite to defend their sovereignty, and for the last time they mostly did. The 2 biggest Chiefs responded, the former enemy Yeshwantrao Holkar at Indore, and Raghoji Bhonsle at Nagpur. The Gaekwad of Baroda was still in two minds, playing a waiting game. However, the British played a diplomatic and espionage masterstroke when they intercepted a letter from Scindia to the Bhonsle that discussed killing off of Yeshwant Rao Holkar after the war with the British. The contents of the letter were made public, and Holkar withdrew with his much prized traditional light Maratha and Pindari cavalry. Though Holkar was still against the British, he would not cooperate with Scinda and Bhonsle. At the decisive Battle of Assaye, the Scindias' French Trained Campoo (Brigade) Infantry performed with great valor, however, the by now second rate Shiledars and Pindaris (all mercenaries and volunteers) refused to engage in a protracted battle around the flank and simply left the field, plundering the Maratha camp itself. The Highlanders fell on the flank and rolled up the Maratha line. However not before nearly 1/3 of the British army at Assaye was killed or injured, and the British Commander, a certain Arthur Wellesley, future Duke of Wellington, would take valuable lessons from this action. Later the Duke of Wellington remembered the Battle of Assaye as his toughest battle, even over the more famed Waterloo or Salamanca.

However, Yeshwantrao Holkar continued his war against the British, even defeating a British Division at the Battle of Mukundara pass, perhaps the last example of an army of Light Horse defeating Regular Infantry and Artillery. Further actions at Bharatpur and Deeg saw the redoubtable Holkar repelled in several sharp actions, however, with his swarms of light horse he remained a big enough nuisance for the British to open negotiations, thus making Holkar the last Indian ruler beside Maharaja Ranjit Singh (with whom the Holkar had tried to make common cause against the British) to sign a treaty with the British as equal. Yeshwantrao Holkar would die in 1811 (thanks to madness and consumption), later the Holkar state would be subdued in the 1817-1818 war, known as the Third Anglo-Maratha War.

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huzurat
The depth of your analysis is great

U are right as far as Karnal itself is concerned...the battle itself was not that decisive in terms of casualties

The mughals lost close to 20000 men but the Main force that stood behind the alimardan river was still intact....however like u said Nader Shah's ambushes resulted in close to 400 mughal officers deaths....the cream of the army was routed and the leadership was slaughtered which resulted in demoralisation of the main force

The battle itself was not an engagement between 2 huge forces....Nader used his jeyzarachi musketeers and cannons to wreak great havoc and death on the mughal lines

On another front saadat khan's entire contingent was ambushed and routed

So basically he won 2 minor engagements against isolated contingents and claimed victory

Besides Nader cut off their lines of supply and retreat as well

I understand the whole back and forth nature of fortunes of powerbrokers in this century

The Anglo Mysore wars especially have been a Rough patch for the EIC...they lost some of them and it took 4 wars to crush Mysore

What u can clearly see is that the British who were hitherto peacefully trading in India for the past 130 years(from 1609 onwards) suddenly became politically and militarily active

However I was stressing on the overall and long term impacts of Karnal and the drastic nature of events that succeeded karnal...viz a very short span of 60 years

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Thanks.
Yeah, you're correct on most counts. Though the number is still contested. Wiki quotes a higher number, meanwhile older colonial historians don't go above 10000 for Mughal casualties. I rather prefer the Colonials considering today's 'rockstar' historians like Dalrymple have been exaggerating this period into a spectacle history with nothing short of 10000's of casualties for each battle.

As far officers are concerned, Burhan ul Mulk and Khan Dauran's contingents lost many, yes. But the Emperor's and Nizam ul Mulk did not lose them. Further, if you notice, at the Battle of Karnal, many vassals of the empire were absent, having been earlier defeated or subdued by the Marathas, for example; Mohammad Khan Bangash of Farrukabad, he had raised over 60000 men in 1728, later defeated by Bajirao, or Sawai Raja Jai Singh, who at one point ruled from Narmada to Chambal, having gained the Subedari of Ajmer and Malwa, before suffering defeat at the hands of Holkar, at Bhopal (though was not present himself).
This led to the loosening of the Mughal power, scatterig their commanders and restricting them to their own zones. The Bangash or the Kachwahas after this would never become great powers beyond their strict provincial regions.

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KrishnaCN
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huzurat

Forgive my noobish tendencies but does empire total war allowing editing provinces on its campaign map?

Because warfare in this period is better represented by empire engine

I asked this because empire modding allows 20 plus unit stacks to participate in field battles....darthmod empire itself comes with 40 unit stacks....the limit can be pushed further also

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huzurat
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KrishnaCN

Hmm...I would recommend against anything to do with Empire system, considering even with the Darthmod, it's a buggy mess. The AI, especially the battle ai, is broken beyond repair. I've played a lot of Empire back in the day, the close combat system glitches, units seem to glide around without any weight, and enemy sends its units piecemeal in scattered manner with cavalry charging your lines unsupported.

No, Med 2 has its problems, but is a far superior game compared to Empire.

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huzurat yeah the AI in that game is sooooooo bad!

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KingKorgoth

KrishnaCN Empire total war does not allow any regions to be added unfortunately

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huzurat
KingKorgoth

Guys regarding empire total war for 1725,I know the empire AI is stupid....but I happened to come across certain tweaks

I actually played Napoleon total war which is just as lame as empire total war in its vanilla form....I used darthmod and a certain Bran Mac born submod for darthmod and his tweaks are too damn good.They've drastically improved the gameplay,battle AI and diplomacy.

The AI forms battle lines and threatens your flanks...though not perfect at very hard difficulty this could be very challenging.I played it at hard and I thought it was unforgiving

The battles are really challenging now with to and fro movements...recurrent fighting and racing for an advantageous position makes sense because in open ground AI deploys it's lines to outflank you...vanilla darthmod took hours to resolve a battle but these tweaks improve the speed and casualties...advantageous maneuvers are very decisive

Playing as the french I was besieged by a full stack 40 unit prussian army at Hannover....I sallied out of the city to attack and break the siege..with just 6000 men most of whom were cheap militia and armed citizenry I fortified myself between 2 hills by deploying stakes....I just had 1 field piece atop a hill while the AI had 6-7 field pieces and bombarded me from a high ground constantly...though in this version the AI is aggressive and tends to charge it's cavalry the AI took full advantage of the ground I offered to fortify myself at that position by outflanking me...I nearly lost that battle and my units started routing..only with constant repositioning and rallying by my general did I manage to hold on...I won this only when reinforcements arrived and I took the fight straight to the AI position.

There is a certain Slaughter volley fire version of Bran mac born tweaks.This drastically improved gameplay.Factions now are diplomatically unforgiving yet they are sensible.....diplomatc manuevering now makes sense...They can be reasonably won over where it makes sense with money or technology.This tweak drastically increases Income but with 40 unit armies and huge costs even tens of thousands of income seems challenging to manage.It literally feels like military campaign with 10,000+ casualties in hard fought battles.....I use an entry level graphics card which is mx110=gt940m and even with heavy reshade effects I experienced very little lagging.... he's even released a hard economy version...there is an even more aggressive "Super slaughter" version

After having played this version I doubt if I'll ever go back and play even stainless steel...

These edits also come for darthmod Empire total war and is definitely worth giving a try....not just from a modding perspective but also if u guys wanna have a fun time campaign with tw yourselves..the only problem however is that of provinces though....a shame they can't be modded

I could share all the specifics needed as well as the reshade presets

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Huzurat here, I don't about you guys, but Empire's been acting very strange in my new laptop. I have an MSI I-7 with Nvidia RTX 2060. I can run Atilla and newer Total War games without any problem, but somehow Empire Total War has been freezing and crashing whenever I try to change the graphic settings....

I don't know man, but CA really made a buggy mess in Empire. Can't play with high setting, even though have no issue running newer Total Wars, in fact even Rome and Medieval, far older games are running pretty smoothly. Empire is the only buggy mess that I have.

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KrishnaCN
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huzurat
To play with high settings I guess you have to change gfx video memory value and a host of other values in preferences text file ...then set it to read on

The developers bottlenecked it by default I guess..

I did it for Napoleon and it worked

Basically doing this in the preferences file is the equivalent to ticking unlimited memory box in Rome 2

Just make sure u are using "Empire total war v1.3"

You can find the value to change on YouTube..changing the gfx value will remove 2d sprites

In ur case keep the unit detail,buildings and textures to ultra

Keep the terrain,grass,effects,particles,water and sky to medium since these are the biggest hoggers


Also in the preferences file I guess u need to change the number of cores to number of cores your laptop has

Use bran Mac born's darthmod empire settings on twcenter...especially the total war slaughter versions,4x4 battleterrain maps,blood and smoke and Dagestan Hannover fix

I have very rare(almost nil) crashes in darthmod Napoleon and it mostly works splendid

But I'll try installing and playing empire with darthmod and above tweaks and see if it has the problem u are facing...going by ur woes it should be even more worse for me since my lappy is a toaster

Just an advice...since u are using rtx2060
U should have no problems running everything in ultra or high with the right kind of optimisation.

Disable antialiasing both in-game and in the graphics control panel

Disable depth of field in-game

Disable ingame hdr

Disable sharpening and grain in the graphics panel

Disable ssao in-game

Keep heat haze and distortion if ur graphics can handle them

Keep anistropic settings,sampling,vertical sychronisation,shader cache,lod,maximum battery performance the way you want

Then download and install the latest reshade...tick and download all the packages

Install reshade onto the game

Load a custom battle and tweak the depth of field,antialiasing(of ur choice..if u use fxaa turn it to max),ambient occlusion,tonemapping,sepia,raytracing,adaptive sharpening,grain and bloom

Also use reshade's hdr rather than ingame since u can tweak it

This is better since the reshade app has a "performance mode"..tick it and save it

As far as my stupid card is concerned only these effects work...urs might handle even more effects well

U may have to play around a little bit but in ur case it will pay off

Since ur specs are high(far too high than mine) I guess u can play with 80 units per army and have grand time..u could play with upwards of 40000+ plus men per army and more than 80,000 involved in one battle map

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huzurat
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KrishnaCN

After a long time of tinkering, finally I was able to play the damn game on ultra quality after manually editing my graphic settings from preference file in appdata of empire. Installed Darthmod, patched it, and tried some battles.

But honestly speaking, the battle AI once more shocked me. Still pretty awful I must say. I mean Darthmod improves it a lot, don't get me wrong. But the game is just so broken, it is like trying fix a shattered vase with just some tape.

Played the Maratha confederacy campaign, engaged in the first battle. Basically won the battle with 3 units of Silhadar lancers against nearly a half stack strong Mughal army.

Not to mention the campaign AI cannot cope with simple maneuvers, it is completely baffled by the simplest of moves, 2 cavalry units are enough to distract their main army for multiple turns, while I gather and recruit almost a complete fresh army to save my Capital. It is almost like you can just see through the AI without any effort.

And don't let me start on the gliding units, melee cavalry and infantry have no point to them, every battle ends up like a mosh pit, there is no weight. And the AI will spend the first 10 minutes frantically juggling its units even when it'll have the strength parity. Essentially every battle with similar numbers, the drill is for you is to provoke the AI, let it come, harass it on the flanks, while your muskets and artillery start firing, then get your reserve cavalry behind them before charging the flanks and the rear, a chain rout follows, enemy AI won't even move its reserve or un-engaged units while right beside it several of its battalions get run down by my light cavalry.

Sorry, but Empire AI just breaks my immersion, bad AI and too arcady.

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KrishnaCN
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huzurat
Yeah actually you can't expect much from the AI....in that context m2 AI with the mods actually pressurises you a lot at hard difficulty...but did u try the total slaughter bran Mac born tweaks ?? and 40+ unit saves

Also how did you defeat a half stack of AI with just 3 lancers??....it's nigh impossible with darthmod Napoleon with bran's tweaks..especially when u raise the campaign and battle difficulty ..the AI artillery is quite accurate and blasts my cavalry if I simply charge at them carelessly....just to be clear even in equally matched battles of darthmod Napoleon that I'm playing the AI line infantry and it's artillery is very dangerous...the AI prioritises in attacking your general with its artillery...so if u don't keep ur general at a certain distance he gets blasted off..

Here is a statistic...I fought a 10,000 Vs 10,000 battle in the coalition campaign and I won a heroic victory where the AI pressurised me a lot...i had to bring up reserves(3rd line old French guard and reserve cavalry)to support the left and center in this battle...some of my frontline units were nearly wiped out...regiments with 300+ plus men were reduced to 90 odd men
Even though I had entrenched myself behind cover and deployed on advantageous terrain

Casulaties for both me and the AI are comparable...I won a heroic defense and lost 4000 men..the AI lost 5000+ men

I need to play darthmod empire with the tweaks once and test it..I may have underestimated NTW...Maybe empire is actually miserable like u say...guess empire just sucks??

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kontomoje
kontomoje

Very good information, this are super data for mod for Empire TW!

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