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TIBERIUM SECRETS CREDITS

Project Management/ Production:

FORMER PROJECT MANAGEMENT/ PRODUCTION:
PROJECT COORDINATOR – CHAD WHITE (PARACOMBATANT)

FORMER CONTRIBUTING PROJECT MANAGEMENT/ PRODUCTION:
PROJECT COORDINATOR, COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT – VICTOR SMIRNOFF (SILENT NOMAD)

Art:

CO-FOUNDER, GAME DESIGNER, CREATIVE ART DIRECTOR – MATTHEW ROSS (FANDORE)
PROMOTIONAL ARTIST – SANDA GAVRILUC
3D ARTIST – JAZMINE OWINS

FORMER ART
PROJECT ORIGINATOR, LEAD CODER, SR. 3D ARTIST – SETH BROWN (UMBRELLA SECRETS) [DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE]
2D CONCEPT ARTIST – ANDREW TAPSELL (ANDTAP)
2D CONCEPT ARTIST – LEWIS UNSWORTH (FELIX)
2D CONCEPT ARTIST – JAMES TW (JAMES OTW)
2D CONCEPT ARTIST – JOSEPH WHITED (INVADER JOE/ DOODLE MONARCH)
HR, 2D ART, COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT – KJELL BUNJES (IQEW)
3D ARTIST – MATT BENSA (MATIJA)
2D CONCEPT ARTIST – WILLIAM KARINEN ( CONCEPTUAL CASCADE/ HEIZENBERG /FLASHBACK FRODO)
3D ARTIST – RYAN FRY/ JOHN MACHOWSKI (RONSART)
3D ARTIST – VIKTOR GREKSA (VGREKSA)
3D ANIMATOR – DENNY JOVIC [PAID]
3D ANIMATOR – BRIAN VANHORN [PAID]
3D ANIMATOR – ALEXEY KUZNETSOV [PAID, DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE
FORMER CONTRIBUTING ART
3D ARTIST – ERIC KUBE (SG1SHADOW)
3D ANIMATOR – DAVID WYATT (RYATTA)
2D ARTIST – ANDREW BETTS
3D ARTIST – VINCENT HU (VHU 9644)
2D CONCEPT ARTIST – WALTER VERMEIJ (PIZZA ATOMICA)
3D ARTIST- SHAWN RICHARDSON [DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE]
3D ARTIST – RENAN ASSUNCAO
2D CONCEPT ARTIST – ALEXANDER HOUSE (ARG HOUSE)

Code:

CO-FOUNDER, LEAD CODER – JOHN NETZEL (COMIEDOG)

FORMER CODE:
PROJECT ORIGINATOR, LEAD CODER, SR. 3D ARTIST – SETH BROWN (UMBRELLA SECRETS) [DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE]
CODER – ALEX SERINO (TIBERIAN FIEND)
CODER – JAMES HAUER (TEKRCHAD)
CODE,3D ARTIST, MAPPER – SCOTT MCFADDEN (MAPPER_SPLAT)
CODER – CHRISTOPHER WOODARD

FORMER CONTRIBUTING CODE:
WRITER AND CODER – MACLAREN CARDWELL (GOLANX) [DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE]
CODER – (HAWKBLADE 124)
CODER – BRAD TURNER (XELNA)
CODER – DAVE JEANSOME (DAVO)
CODER – NARUTO AOZUMAKI (EGOZI44)
CODER – BIGGY (ZEUSBIGS)
CODER – VAIBHAV AGARWAL (JAKELONG00)

Audio:

LEAD COMPOSER- TIM CERNY (CCH AUDIO)
FORMER CONTRIBUTING AUDIO
SFX ARTIST- JUSTIN PRYMOWICZ (JUSTIN P)

Writing:

CO-FOUNDER, CEO, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER –ERIC CHOU (GENERALJIST)
LEAD WRITER- ALBERT BASSILI (LAKITEL)
WRITER- SAMUEL FORD
WRITER- NOLAN LYNCH

FORMER WRITING:
WRITER AND CODER- MACLAREN CARDWELL (GOLANX) [DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE]
LEAD WRITER- JASON KOOP (JFOD)
HEAD OF NARRATIVE- BLAKE ARMSTRONG (ROBOTEATINGROBOT)
NARRATIVE ADMIN AND EDITOR- ADI POTASHNICK
NARRATIVE EDITOR- CONOR WALSH
SR. WRITER AND SCIENTIFIC ADVISOR- DOUG GROSSER (MASTER E. GAMER)
MILITARY HISTORY ADVISOR- JONAS NILENDER
MILITARY HISTORY ADVISOR- ROBERT RANSTADLER

FORMER CONTRIBUTING WRITING:
WRITER- DANIEL ARMISS (PONIC3)

Public Relations:

CO-FOUNDER, CEO, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER – ERIC CHOU (GENERALJIST)
FORMER PUBLIC RELATIONS:
PROJECT COORDINATOR, COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT -VICTOR SMIRNOFF (SILENT NOMAD)
HR, 2D ART, COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT- KJELL BUNJES (IQEW)

Human Resources:

CO-FOUNDER, CEO, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER – ERIC CHOU (GENERALJIST)

FORMER HUMAN RESOURCES:
HR, 2D ART, COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT- KJELL BUNJES (IQEW)

Quality Assurance:

QA LEAD – CODY DEWALD (THEFORTH)

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By Eric Chou GeneralJist

9/11/23

Preface:

This is from my perspective and may be biased in any number of ways. We had originally planned on doing this at the end of 2021 as core leadership, but due to a variety of factors, it didn't happen. Prime among this, the exodus, which I will cover here, I will try not to do a "history" of our organization, as that is already public on our website. I will aim to focus on the lessons and challenges we faced as a development team. I may refer to our history from time to time to keep things chronological and grounded, so I'd recommend reading that before you read this.

As of this date, two of the key core leadership personnel are no longer in contact, Fandore (creative art director) and Jfod, (narrative director), they both left with their respective projects and departments in December of 2021. They had been with us since 2011 and 2015, respectively.

So, without further ado, The Tiberium Secrets postmortem...

Tiberium Secrets was started by Umbrella Secrets in September 2009, and he was the only member until May 2011. During this time, he took on the entire project, scoping and planning out the entire mod by himself. He originally planned for the ASA - All seeing Army. This was meant to be a faction based on the Illuminati.

Fandore joined specifically for 2 reasons. First, he wanted to divert this direction, as it was dangerous to highlight these themes. Second, he saw this project as one of the few being different from the other mods. For reference, this was May 2011.

Preproduction is traditionally meant to be the most creative part of development. This was not the case for us, as Umbrella Secrets kept tight control of the scope plans and direction of the project. In retrospect, this is something that was a double-edged sword. On one end, design was clear and focused, on the other end, we were very insular. Striking that balance between new concepts and continuing the existing direction would be something I would also struggle with as the project unfolded.

In retrospect, we should have been doing continuous recruitment, allowing people to get in on the ground floors. This did not happen, and as a result of our siloed nature, we would have issues in recruitment. Despite these issues, recruitment had been consistently successful in terms of quality and caliber of applicants.

One of our keys to success and being able to attract and retain talent was our structure. This is critical if you want to make anything for any extended length of time. By structure, I don't just mean the structure and documentation of your project, but the structure and documentation of your organization. I call these documents and people “load-bearing”: just as a building has load bearing walls and pillars, your project and organization will need load bearing people and documents.

From my experience to have a successful and stable game dev team, you need solid leadership in art, administration, and code. A key person underpinning and responsible for each, not just in the management of the department, but in ownership of the tasks and execution. When I say "administration" I mean the business functions: from marketing, to general business, to public relations, to human resources, to management. Yes, a tall order. There is a reason why finding suitable management is always a challenge, no matter your industry. Art and code departments should be self-explanatory; however there is another key insight that should help you. Managers and leads are subtle but different. Managers are administrators, while leads are the best performers you can find. Be it through training, education or self-taught. The best performers may not make good managers. And in fact, are often terrible managers.

Building an effective strategy for all of this is challenging, but I fundamentally believe that your passion will carry you through.

Another lesson I learned is to let passion flow, even if it conflicts with your procedures. You may have a specific way of doing things, I definitely did. From the structure I built, I developed a standardized procedure of recruitment and onboarding for Tiberium Secrets. it went like this:

  1. Post a standardized job Ad for each position, by consulting with the respective department lead.
  2. Post ads in all relevant online places I have access to
  3. Wait for applicants to trickle in
  4. Make sure applicants provide their time zone, resume, education/experience, and portfolio.
  5. Schedule an audio interview with the applicants we wanted.
  6. Extend the contract document to those applicants that we wanted
  7. Make sure contract was signed correctly
  8. Give the new member access to our central document repository, hosted on Google Drive
  9. Give them 1 full week of "orientation time", in which they are not expected to do anything besides getting familiar with our files, project and progress
  10. File and document all of this in our Human Resources folder

And this is just our HR process.

I know many of you are not like myself; you're more programmers or artists. but having a person like me take over and lead production, HR, and PR can take a lot of stress off of you, leaving you free to focus on the project itself. I like to tell my department leads, you worry about the product, I worry about the organization.

Many of our community were disappointed and frustrated by our scope cutting, and how we had promised 3 factions, yet only delivered one, which is understandable from a public relations perspective. From a design perspective, most of y’all have no idea just how long and hard it took just to execute one new faction. These expectations and scope creep is a direct result of what I call "the pessimism of experience". We were all new to modding and game dev. Thus we overestimated our abilities, and underestimated how long and how hard implementation would take. People who are experienced know how hard it is, they know the road they took to get them to where they are today, so they are more cautious with their time. And are better in communicating scope creep concerns. However, this naivete allowed us to shoot for the stars.

As you can probably tell, we did things a bit differently than the other mods in our space, beyond that, we looked towards the future of the Command and Conquer franchise, which is exactly the opposite of what most of the other C&C mods were doing. I've harped before on the place of nostalgia in our community, so I'll leave it at that on this point. Nevertheless, this is one of the things that made us stand out. For most of our existence, we were ignored by the conventional C&C modding community. I would surmise that this is because of our very direction and focus. The original purpose of Tiberium secrets was to add new factions, and we did our best to do that.

The other thing we brought to the table, that is usually overlooked in modding, is lore. We introduced oodles of lore; this feature was something that has been well documented as something that both attracted people as well as set us apart. There is a reason why story is king in most creative genres. In games, Code is usually king, but nevertheless, I'd recommend you keep lore in mind, no matter your development stage. Something that C&C did well is that it understood the relationship between story and gameplay. Most games prioritize one over the other. Having them work hand in hand is critical if you want to recreate the balance and success we've tasted.

I could go on and on about the success we've had, and the people this project has allowed us to network with, but that is all well documented, and isn't likely as interesting or helpful to you, the mod maker or indie developer, but I'll just say this, you know how they say, it's not what you know but who you know? well it's both, it's about what you tell who you know. It's about building a community, building relationships. At the end of the day, it's all about what you can build, and who will go on that journey with you. At the end of the day, you know how they say it’s about the journey not the destination? Well development is about the experiences you have not just the end product you make. If I could go back in time, and tell myself just how hard, crazy, cool, and rewarding Tiberium Secrets development would have been, I would not believe myself. I would not believe all the things that have happened, the good and the bad, the frustration and the joy.

Another thing that I should touch on is, why mod? This is ModDB of course, but many people choose to go the indie route, bypassing and looking down on mod makers. Well, modding will allow you to create around established limitations. This is a critical problem solving and critical thinking skill that will serve you well in life, if learned, and applied the right way, and of course, we mod for the passion, for the honor of our beloved franchises, but what does that really mean? what does it break down to in a job interview, or in terms your friends outside of this field can understand? It's about inspiration, inspiration so powerful it facilitates and encourages new adaptations–new and old growth–of a game franchise.

Firing Squad

I know full well that Tiberium Secrets has left its mark, not just on me and the people who were here, but on the industry. I see it every day in the new waves of RTS games that are returning in this renaissance. I hear people talk about it, and see discussions online. So, as we end this chapter in the history of Honor Games, know and understand what I call, "the paradox of creation": Creation doesn't happen in a vacuum, doesn't happen out of nothing, it happens as a reaction to inspiration, it happens as a channeling of our emotions of our life's purposes. It happens to solve a personal problem we have. The cycles of creation continue far beyond the boundaries of our lives. So, if you are starting or continuing a journey of creation, know that you have my support, and know that no matter what you create, or how you choose to do so, it will leave a mark on your life, and everyone your creation touches. So, knowing that, be responsible for what you bring into this world. Because if you don't, it may be tainted by negative passion, and once that happens, it usually stays in that energy form.

I could go on and on about how Tiberium Secrets has changed my life. (And yes, I've even written a book on this very topic.) Yet it's more critical for me to try and pass on the legacy that the Tiberium Secrets core leadership team has started. So, if you are a leader anywhere, keep in mind that what you should be focusing on in this industry, in this day and age, is not control of your people, but how to be a responsible leader. This weighs on me every day, every damn day, how to do the responsible thing for my people, for my community, and for my world. I know we are making games here, but what you are really doing, at all levels of creativity, is you are making culture. This is not just the export of the Western movie industry; it’s what games are to us, and to our successive generations.

So, as I promised to answer, what happened to Honor Games? Why did two of our best people leave? They were people I used to call Friends, and if you know me, that means something. Sigh, well, they were uncomfortable with my mental health diagnosis, they found it too risky, and the fallout of each episode was too high a cost.

And yet, more and more research has linked mental health with creativity. We didn't just lose the movers and shakers of Tiberium Secrets, but of Honor Games as well. And if Umbrella Secrets is out there, I hope your life and health stabilize, I know the sacrifices you made to get us this far, I paid that price too. But in our sacrifices, we forge new connections, new ideas, new seeds, so the future can play out as it needs to. In making the circuses of our modern age, we know where we've been.

As I end this document, I urge you all to take stock of what you have, be grateful, and work to build the life you want for yourself.

We will try an indie version Tiberium Secrets in the future, what I call Equation of Humanity. But if you've made anything, you will know that there is magic in the act of creation.

Thank you all for continuing this journey with us. We would not be who we are, without all of you out there. And to those struggling in silence, to those who develop alone, I tell you, I am here for you, and if you want to talk about the cost of progress, I know full well–let me know.

And now,

"Faith before fortune “~Nod

Nod Scorpion Tank

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I GeneraalJist, release a book on much of what has happened in my life behind the scenes of Tiberium Secrets.

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Indie Tiberium Secrets Preproduction Started

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Tiberian Eclipse File Dump

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The old gameplay and Writers folders of Tiberian Eclipse, some lore inspiration for Tiberium Secrets, way back in the day.

Tib sec 17 3

Tib sec 17 3

Full Version 5 comments

Some general bug foxes and functionality changes.

TibSec 1 7. 2

TibSec 1 7. 2

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An update for scrin and ASI are give in this update

Tiberium Secrets  1. 7. 1

Tiberium Secrets 1. 7. 1

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This is a full version of tib sec with a few fixes.

Tiberium Secrets 1 7. 0

Tiberium Secrets 1 7. 0

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This is a new version with updated Scrin,adding KW features and changing some mechanics

TiberiumSecrets 1.6.0

TiberiumSecrets 1.6.0

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Version 1.6.0 of Tiberium Secrets, with a revamped GDI army.

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Guest
Guest - - 698,116 comments

honestly why is there updates for this mod? I thought there was some interesting news or update, but its an article that glorifies the "amazing team". Move on mate, this mod died and achieved nothing of note except having way to much dreams for what it could actually do.

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Guest
Guest - - 698,116 comments

Agreed this so called "article" is just about self glorification to make the team feel good about something I guess?

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GeneralJist Creator
GeneralJist - - 474 comments

I like how both of you didn't log in and remained anonymous guests, despite how both of you claim to have been following for a while.

I was going to let it go, but I might as well respond.

This is incredibly insulting and disrespectful. It suggests how much of a gamer you guys are. "Oh I want the game, but I don't want to hear about how the game is made, or anything about who the developers are, I don't care about their story struggles or journey. Get me my Free mod!"

That may fly if you had paid money for our product, but all of this labor was free, so GTFO!

One of the biggest lessons I've learned from doing this for so long, is it usually divides people into 3 camps:
1.Healthy community engagement
2.Silent supporters
3. vocal Insecure and jealous individuals

3, some how has the largest group. When you give them what they want, they are 1or 2, but as soon as you "threaten their egos" OMG! and they become a sworn enemy.

Healthy adults respect the time and effort of others, healthy adults strive to learn.

This document went up on our website as well.
Giving the story, history and acknowledgements of how we got here was the goal of this history.

This also charts our path, and can be a blueprint to achieve similar results.

If your threatened by what our history says, it says more about you than about us.

Also, "dead" usually refers to unplanned stop of development, usually with no release or conclusion. We concluded, we released. It's clear you have no idea how hard this project was to put together.

I'd recommend you both reflect on your lives, and ask yourself why you reacted this way. The resulting insights may surprise and allow yall to follow your dreams and achieve whatever you want.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung - - 4,486 comments

"Oh I want the game, but I don't want to hear about how the game is made"

No, we don't want to continue to hear about, a project that has supposedly already ceased production, but for some reason, is still posting updates to C&C groups for no other conceivable reason than craving attention.

Stop trying to paint yourselves as the victims, there is no valid reason for the things you are doing, you guys are just being attention whores atm

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GeneralJist Creator
GeneralJist - - 474 comments

Every time there is an update, it says exactly what it is in the title. if you READ, you can decide if you want to click on it or not.

I m not trying to paint us as a victim, I'm saying a little respect would be nice.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung - - 4,486 comments

1. That is not the point, and if I see another one of your pointless articles appear in one of the C&C groups I follow, I will report you

2. To be shown respect, you must first prove you are worthy of it

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GeneralJist Creator
GeneralJist - - 474 comments

1. Do what you will, I don't go where you hang out online and bitch about not getting free content.

2. yea, and apparently toiling for nearly a decade in the service of the C&C community is not enough for you. or those with your perspective.

As for respect, it's meant to be mutual. I know I am a bit of a guard dog when it comes to this mod, but I and many people poured a lot of time sweat and tears into getting it to it's current state, and to have people troll or disrespect our work for any reason is not something I will tolerate.

It's comments and perspectives such as yours that motivate us to want to do our own thing, and leave C&C modding behind.

some people are asking for more lore, and since it is in my power to do so, I will provide.

There are also a few minor original faction things I'd want done, but we shall see if that ever happens.

It's like if a friend bakes you a cake, and your like that's amazing, thanks. And every once in a while he says he's going to give you the recipe, but your like "Na, I'd rather you bake it for me"

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung - - 4,486 comments

Except, the cake is not amazing, and nobody asked for the recipe, you're the one throwing the recipe into people's faces.

But sure, feel free to believe whatever helps you sleep at night bro

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GeneralJist Creator
GeneralJist - - 474 comments

"Taste" is subjective.
So I'm coming to YOUR house and throwing it in YOUR face?
Interesting. that is a very entitled way of looking at it.

I can't say for sure, but isn't it interesting that there is an RTS resurgence going on? I'd like to think we had a small part in that. And yes, that makes it easier for me to sleep at night.

There is one core reason why you and others trash talk this mod, it makes you and others feel insecure. It has the amazing power of separating out the wheat from the chaff.
Arguing with you about the quality of our product goes no where.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung - - 4,486 comments

Oh yeah, that's some amazing power right there:
I.imgur.com
I.imgur.com

Not gonna lie that's a scary ratio, totally making me feel insecure

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GeneralJist Creator
GeneralJist - - 474 comments

ya, so you rely on the opinions of others instead of playing with what we have, and giving real feedback.

I like how you didn't include the full panel rating, where it has a 9/10 on it.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung - - 4,486 comments

I like how you think bringing up that one 9/10 rating would change anything.

Also no, I don't rely on other's opinions, my own 1/10 rating is there as well 😉

But you're right, further arguing is pointless because you're obviously completely delusional, so I'll end it here.

See ya, hopefully I don't have to report ya 👋

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Guest
Guest - - 698,116 comments

Mate, the point you need to understand is start a new page, with intentions for you new game, don't use this platform for it, all you are doing is getting negative rap. Your bad rep in this CNC3 community (which lets be honest you did it to yourself) is going to be your bane if you keep on posting content on this page.

I am giving you some advice here, you can take it or leave it but just start over on another page. This page has become a real heated, create an Indiedb page or even use another platform. Just looking at your poll (even thou small, gives a figure) you posted, shows you might not have the support you think you have in this community.

The better thing is to move on to be honest. Now this is not me attacking you just giving some civil advice. I can here looking to see if the was an update on TS but it was another article. Now as a fan of the mod it was a bit disappointing to see the mod cancelled, but seeing updates on a page for a mod that is dead is a real let down especially if this has nothing to do with the mod.

I wish you and your team really the best of luck with your game and merch and only wish you the best, but I would be equally more happy if the game had its own page or you broke the news not on this page.

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GeneralJist Creator
GeneralJist - - 474 comments

Ya sorry, I should have remained more civil.
But imagine you spend 10 years working for FREE, in the service of the community and in the service of the franchise you love.
One day you post an article detailing your 10 year journey.

And also asking for just a little bit of money to offset your costs, as a sign of support, in exchange for some merch.

Instead of people being grateful for all the dedication and FREE content. A vast majority of those who are vocal Demand More, and act offended that we have the gall to be doing what we are doing.

Instead of understanding where we came from, they are hostile, jealous and defensive, they become sworn enemies, and trash talk, disrespect our work.

I can't allow that type of communication to go unchecked.
I Can not allow people to feel that they are Entitled to the fruits of our labor, with out some kind of exchange.

Not anymore.

As for my/ our relationship with the C&C3; modding community, it's always been the way it is now. If you have access to CNCNZ, you can look for yourself.

For years, none of the entrenched C&C community would even admit we existed. If you know our relationship, then you would know how toxic the C&C modding community really was.

I was an OG C&C community member. GeneralJist, with the Ion cannon avatar. I was there 10 years ago, I was always on the official C&C forums since 2007.
Trying to break into the C&C community inner circle was ridiculously hard.
Sigh,
But that is a story for another day.

Instead of being understanding and sympathetic to the sacrifices we endured most go "where's my free stuff".

The history document was also heavily edited, to try and be as neutral as possible. We tried not to put anyone under the bus, which we totally could have.

Taking your suggestion is like making a new youtube channel.
The History file is related to this page. It's the "history" of Tib sec. Product over process?

We did make new pages for the new games we are working on.
We will make a new page for the indie version of tib sec, when we get there.

This page is where our community is and was.

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UnicornsVomit
UnicornsVomit - - 110 comments

"Free service" doesn't mean free from critique, maybe get your panties out of a knot, not one asked you to waste your own free time so don't get uppity and grow up when people point out how pointless your ego stroking was.

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