In the year 1923, war erupts across Calradia and Balion once more, bringing life to a new age of mechanization, revolution and nationalism, and a fourth era of technology that will forever shape the face of warfare.

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In this development blog we'll be talking about one of the most important factions of Red Wars, the United Federation of the Vaegirs.

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Greetings, everyone, and welcome to our third development blog for the new Red Wars 2. In this blog we will be showcasing another powerful faction of Red Wars, the United Federation of the Vaegirs. We will be going over the faction's lore, playstyle, troops, and more.

To the north-east, a fervour similar to that of the Swadians has gripped the Vaegirs. Revolutionaries espousing new ideals, just as radical as those held by the Swadians, the target of their spite are the rich and powerful. These new ideals held by the common man, anarchy and communism, take hold of the Vaegirs, sending them into a frenzy. Open combat, firefights and civil war have ravaged the Vaegir homeland, the heads of the Vaegir elite classes now decorate the freshly built execution grounds where thousands gather to witness the vile spectacle which has claimed the lives of hundreds, all for the greater good. A communist revolutionary party has taken control of the Vaegirs, with this new power they have revitalized industry, agriculture and bureaucracy, washed away the old order of aristocrats and gentry, and established itself as a mighty industrial nation capable of challenging even the foreigners and their vast empires.

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Vaegir uniforms.



Army, Power & Politics

The Vaegirs field an army of shocktroops, ranging from ill-equipped suicide infantry made up of conscripted peasants, to the feared Red Guards handpicked from the fiercest and most experienced revolutionary forces. Their main fighting forces are often supported by the Cevars who formed the backbone of the White Army's cavalry forces, they now serve the Red Army as both shock cavalry and marksmen. Vaegirs are stronger than your average soldier, being able to withstand twice as much damage as their counterparts, and what they lack in firepower they make up for in numbers. All of their forces are equipped with extra armour padding and plating, usually made of scrap leather and salvaged iron, but are more likely to be sent out onto the field without a functional firearm due to supply shortages.

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The Vaegirs, and their Khergit allies, have declared war on all that oppose their ideology: The Nords, the Swadians, the Rhodoks, the Sarranids, and even the Commonwealth which resides in Balion. Their strength alone is able to match and possibly surpass that of the Swadians, but with their alliance with the Khergits they may become an unstoppable force in the world.

The new Vaegir political order is one which is dominated by a powerful military hierarchy of generals and warlords, often referred to as the “Commissariat”, they rule with an iron fist over the proletariats as if they were feudal lords, using both fear and propaganda as effective tools to motivate the proles and turn them into cannon fodder for the upcoming wars which are already being referred to by the propaganda ministry as “The Great Revolution”.

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Vaegir equipment.



In the next blog we will be showcasing their allies in the eastern steppes, the Khergits. Stay tuned.

Regards,
the Red Wars team.

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Re3D
Re3D

Wow,you are doing an amazing job with the mod. Best luck ahead man!

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retwe2
retwe2

Man, hope there'll still be some semblance of a White Army, or maybe the Russian Liberation Army.
En.wikipedia.org

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Jghost211
Jghost211

I hope for the same thing as well since it would be cool to play with this world white army or ROA against the reds

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Melfius1
Melfius1

Would love to see "Vaegir Civil War" included, the idea of completely established Socialist Federation, kills lots of potential

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degtayrev
degtayrev

Why the health and armor bonus rather than one or the other?

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The_Archduke_of_Hell Creator
The_Archduke_of_Hell

So they don't die immediately; during play testing I noticed that having either the health boost or armour boost they died immediately, but with both they can tank 2 or 3 shots before dying, which isn't perfect but at least gives them a chance to reach the enemy.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

Why just not scrap the whole 'one rifle per squad'/'meatshield tactics' stereotype, and give all of the Vaegir troops both decent/good weaponry and good armour/health, and balance this by giving a(historically accurate) numerical superiority(albight not a big one) plus an ability to surprise attack for the Swadians? Also, the Swadians already have RPG'S and 'newer' generation anti-personnel granades, and pistols for the officers, which is already a big advantage. Also, you can add some gas-weponry for the Swadian Reich, as there are some swadian gasmasks in the mod already.

IRL reich Waffen SS troops (german ones) were badly trained and weak peasants, who lost up to 100% percent per battle. And the 'foreign' Waffen SS were even worse, with 0 discipline and 0 indoctrination. As to the Wermacht- well... The slightly better than swadians Vaegir troops and slightly meat-shieldish Swadians won't be less 'historical' than the mod was before.

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Thorvaldo
Thorvaldo

Our inevitable revolution will spread across the world!! This soviet-themed-expansionist-fantasy faction reminds me of the video clip for metallica's All Nightmare Long song xD
Great job as always, i look forward to paint calradia in a beatiful red color with the blood of the fascist scum! For the motherland!

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Dear Red Wars Team!

'Tis is an excellent Development Blog as always!

Though, I wonder if you will introduce some new game mechanichs to get the idea of the time - not only bloody trench warfare (check), but the industrialisation and ideological warfare?

You know, I'm thinking, will it be just vanilla Warband with scenes from 1920's and guns - or there will be something that will bring the taste of age?

e.g. there would be possible to supply troopers not only with food but with the medical supplies and ammo - otherwise you're in a risk, because the troops on march will cause casualties (accidents, guerillas attacks, sicknesses, weather, etc) that might wound or kill soldiers.

Or use special options during sieges: order to full blockade and bombardment with heavy artillery and poison gas - that will cause destructions in the town or castle, reduce the number of enemies with wounded and kia. But that would cost (with money and reputation perhaps).

Or building new buildings in the towns and castles and villages...

Also I am wondering if the ingame world is to be rewritten in the ingame files (mechanics, dialogs, etc) to suit the time, it would be strange to see medieval Alayen in the "revolutionary" Khudan.

updated:

More suitable for the age is repressions - you said that vaegir reds using fear and propaganda as well as original - ussr. If that or other town is holding that or other ideology that differs from yours that town will cause troubles to you: low profits from renting, tolls and taxation; maybe even riots, revolts and uprisings - and for the convertion to your ideology the villages and towns must be put into repressions - exiles, executions, etc; (putting the option in town screen) that will slowly convert the town or village at the cost of reputation losses and town's or village's prosperity.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>more suitable for the age is repressions - you said that vaegir reds using fear and propaganda as well as original - ussr. If that or other town is holding that or other ideology that differs from yours that town will cause troubles to you: low profits from renting, tolls and taxation; maybe even riots, revolts and uprisings - and for the convertion to your ideology the villages and towns must be put into repressions - exiles, executions, etc; (putting the option in town screen) that will slowly convert the town or village at the cost of reputation losses and town's or village's prosperity.

Well, if they add GULAG's and firing squads for the Vaegirs, then there should be Concentration Camps and gas chambers/guiulliotine/hangings for the Swadians, and 'democratic' Concentration Camps and mass executions of swadian and local_japan_analogue population for Balion.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Guillotine sounds too "french" for "german"-prototype faction, plus it could add just more work for developers for faction diversity so I proposed Concentration Camps and Repressions as general option for each faction.

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dinnerblaster1
dinnerblaster1

This keeps just getting ever better

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Notorious_Boris
Notorious_Boris

Needs an obrez for the bandits/rebels!

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Rowen5
Rowen5

How can a game be complete without ushankas ?

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Brennus13
Brennus13

The only thing better than shooting communists is shooting well-defined and varied communists! Hooray for Red Wars! Hooray for violence!

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

The yankee with machine gun:
"YEEEEEEHAW!!!"
Yank's machine gun:
"DAKKA-DAKKKA-DAKKKA"
Filthy Commie:
"Aaaa, suka, bleat' nikto ne skasal mne chto u nih toje yest pushki (THUD)Uuuuugghh..."

The End

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SHASUI
SHASUI

The yankee with the machine gun: "The commies are coming!"
The red army soldier: "URRRRAAAAAAA"
The yankee: "DON'T SHOOT! NE STRELAYTE POZHALUYSTA"

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Ha. Ha. What a funny chap.
The red army soldier was defeated by Poland trooper in 1920 and Finnish footman in 1940... and and still some folks want to match the red looser with yanks.
Ha. Ha. What a funny chap, indeed.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

The red army was not defeated in finland. The red army came to take Carelia, and it took it. Victory for the soviets.

The red army in poland withdrew because of civil unrest in main Russia.

"HEHEHEFONNICHEP"

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

1920...
Reds were Skedaddlin' Away from the Poles after Battle of Visla, sure thing to call it "withdrawal due to inner civil unrest", eh?

1940...
More than 100K casualties for commies and less than 25K for Finnish, +"peopel's finnish republic" slushed down the VC throne in exchange for debris of poor carelia and that, matey, equals to preserved independence and liberty for Finnish nation.
1942...
Whoops, Finns avenged the commies by helping the krauts to blockade the leningrad.
Nice one victory for the soviets, huh?

What a funny chap. Ha.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>1920
The time of civil unrest in Russia. And Russia reclaimed parts of poland in 1940.
>1940
Russia came to take away Carelia and took it. Russia wins, Finns loose. The whole "Russia came to annex whole Finland and lost" is a stupid western mytho. Also, most losses of Russia were from cold. And the losses of the fins were all from combat. And there was more than "25k", even considering the fact that the USSR had to stop using such stuff as heavy artillery, because of the western cries "STOP KILLING POOR FINN CIVILIANS!111"
>1942
The finns and their nazi masters were destroyed(they could be destroyed even earlier, but stalin stayed his hand, prolonging the war and trying to use a common enemy to make friends with the west). And the mercifull Russians did not atom bomb or annex Finland after the war.


"WHITIFINNYCHIPHI"

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Ha, hot air again, commies didn't had enough guts to conquer successfully the tiny Finland but that will be compensate by hot air interanal consumption.

How nice of commies, splitting 50/50 the Poland with Hitler's nazis' and then getting their *** kicked by them. Whoops. Bad choice for neighbours, eh? That's really smells of rotten business, matey.

Haven't heard of pyrrus victory, matey? That's for loosing too much in battle for too little to gain after "victory".

Merciful commies? A-bombing Finland? Ha, that's handsome hot air, mate, really cute. The little midget in Kremlin didn't even starve out the West Berlin when ruskies attempt to blockade it, but go on, go on...

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>didn't had enought guts to conquer sucessfully the tine Finland

Are you able to read, or not? I said, that the mission of the USSR during the Winter war was NOT annexation of Finland, but annexation of Carelia, in order to protect Leningrad. The Red Army came to annex Carelia and annexed it. The whole "if you don't come to annex all the country and kill all the people- you don't have the guts" is absurd. The western propaganda uses double standards logic "If russians conquer- they are evil, if russians do not conquer- they are not good- theu just don't have the guts"

>splittinhg 50/50 the Poland
But on practice, there was no splitting. The USSR took away only those polish lands, that were the lands of Ukraine and Belorus, annexed by poland. And afterwards, the USSR compensated it by giving poland some german lands.

>getteing their *** kicked
You live in some alternate history world? The USSR raped the Nazies, both figuratively and literally.

>bad choice for neighbours
The was no "choice", you troll. The Reich existed regardless of the "choices" of the USSR. The Reich would have annexed Poland regardless of the choices. The whole "lets have peace with the nazies" soviet doctrine was the only logical way to try to prevent the war.

>pyrrus victory
There was no pyrrus victory. There was just victory.

>matey
I'm not your 'matey', and I'm no 'matey' with the likes of you.

>ha...really cute
That's no argument.

>berlin
Was succesfully taken by the soviet army.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

>didn't had enought guts to conquer sucessfully the tine Finland

Reds do quickly forget and dump it fast into the nearest river. Old George Orwell was right.

Otto Kuusinen, "Finland Democratic Republic" and such tiny details as "Принимай нас суоми-красавица" doesn't rings the bell, friend? Well, in your case I doubt that it rings.

"If russians conquer- they are evil, if russians do not conquer- they are not good- theu just don't have the guts"
It's the nations who have the guts to resist like Poles and Finnish, to protect for the safety of their families and property and their lifes. To protect their freedom from tyrants and opressors such as reds and nazis alike.

>splittinhg 50/50 the Poland
Wonderful. Plundering, evictions, mass executions, confiscations, rapings, torture basements of НКВД on the one side.
Plundering, evictions, mass executions, confiscations, rapings, torture basements of Gestapo on the other side. Congratulations.
>getteing their *** kicked
"You live in some alternate history world? The USSR raped the Nazies, both figuratively and literally."

Nay, matey, probably you are?
Not before the Nazies raped Commies, both figuratively and literally.
In case you've forgotten (again!) the events from 1941 to 1943.

"The was no "choice", you troll."
Oh, my bad, the commies weren't just neighbours with nazis after their occupation of Poland, they've become BFF's.

"The whole "lets have peace with the nazies" soviet doctrine was the only logical way to try to prevent the war."
BFF's not for long, eh, matey?
While commies were feeding the Hitler's war machine with oil and minerals something has gone wrong, eh?

>pyrrus victory
"There was no pyrrus victory. There was just victory."
Millions of lifes lost on war, millions died of moronic decisions, millions killed in nazi and red death camps, millions tortured to death in НКВД and Gestapo, millions starved to death after (!) war...
Ну, как говорится, в моде сейчас "Лишь Бы Не Было Войны".

"matey"
I'll call you laddie then, ok? ;)

"That's no argument."
I doubt that caps lock set of letters is an argument either.

>berlin
"Was succesfully taken by the soviet army."
I suppose here you either forgot or simply don't know the fact that after the war Berlin was divided into occupation zones and the midget from the kremlin decided to try to push the Allies out. That didn't worked.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>Reds do quickly forget and dump it fast into the nearest river. Old George Orwell was right.

Forget what? The fact, that the reds came not to annex Finland, but to annex Carelia?

>it's the nations who have the guts to resist like Poles and Finnish, to protect for the safety of their families and property and their lifes. To protect their freedom from tyrants and opressors such as reds and nazis alike.

And what's the point of this comment? I was speaking about russian "guts", and you write something about polands. Also, a nations "freedom" is not a person's freedom. It's just nationalistic "our piece of cloth on a pole is better than having their piece of cloth on a pole" nonsense.

>Wonderful. Plundering, evictions, mass executions, confiscations, rapings, torture basements of НКВД and other invented western propaganda

The fact is: Poland annexed western parts of Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belarus. And USSR just took those lands back. Thats all.

>not before
The fact is: a war, a game, a competition is judged by its results, not by middle-results. And the results are: Nazies were defeated.

>they became BFF's

And you propose...? The Soviet Union should have started a conflict with the Nazie Germany, instead of trying to prevent the war, only because...YOU SAID IT?

>BFF's not for long, eh, matey?
While commies were feeding the Hitler's war machine with oil and minerals something has gone wrong, eh?

And you propose what? Insted of trying to make friends with somebody, you should attack him?

The fact is: The Soviet Union tried to preserve peace, and it was the Nazies who started the war. Also, read about the western support of the Nazies.

>millions of lifes
We implied the Finnish war, not WW-2 in this part of the discussion. As to the WW-2, it was not a pyrrus victory. The Soviet Union lost a big portion of the population, BUT it was not critical, and USSR recuperated fast and became a superpower.

>millions killed in red camps...NKVD

It is not a part of the war. It is INTERNAL affairs, you troll. The reds killed traitors, criminals, nazies. Those executed do not count as war-losses, and there were only 600 000 executed in total- less than a million. While in holy Murica they have 6 000 on deathrow in 21-th century.

>i doubt
I said: that's no argument.

>was divided
So, how does it stop the fact that berlin was succesfully taken by the soviet army from being a fact? You just continue to throw in stuff that is irrelevant to the point of the discussion. I tell you that USSR DID NOT divide poland 50/50- you start telling me about plundering and executions. I tell you about victory in Berlin- you tell me about post-war division of Berlin. While I continue to follow the line of discussion, you just wander off into other subtopics.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

"Forget what? The fact, that the reds came not to annex Finland, but to annex Carelia?"

"Finland Democratic Republic" and Otto Kussinen surely doesn't ring your little bell.
Оруэлл будто в воду глядел...

"Also, a nations "freedom" is not a person's freedom. It's just nationalistic "our piece of cloth on a pole is better than having their piece of cloth on a pole" nonsense."

Well, for reds War is Peace. For reds Freedom is Slavery. For reds Ignorance is Strength.

No wonders why Poles and Finnish fought the reds with their arms.

"and other invented western propaganda"
"It is INTERNAL affairs, you troll. The reds killed traitors, criminals, nazies. "
"Poland annexed western parts of Soviet Ukraine and Soviet Belarus. And USSR just took those lands back. Thats all."

Brilliant, on the each fact there's a whaling "Western propaganda!" And "took those lands back". I've been wondering why such immoral hypocrisies running things in your ideology.
But in the end, why should I wonder to call for conscience of conscience killers?

Intenal affairs? That's what Nazis were telling about their death camps.
"reds killed traitors, criminals, nazies"

I suppose you should know that if a human being is got beaten up with a hammer for days or stripped of his sleep for a week he will told everything you want to hear. But of course you know.

"a competition is judged by its results"
Results are tyrants' yoke, millions are dead and red vultures feasting on those millions.

"Also, read about the western support of the Nazies."
"The Soviet Union tried to preserve peace"
"The Soviet Union should have started a conflict with the Nazie Germany, instead of trying to prevent the war, only because...YOU SAID IT?"

1. Oh, I know of collaboration in countries of western Europe and even in U.S. though Hitler's submarine raids quickly healed every pro-Nazi sentiments in America, as well as air bombing of Britain resolved them to fight.
2. "Preserving peace" commies? Cool bed-time story, matey. Tell it to Finnish (Winter war), or Poles (occupation of eastern Poland), or Brits with French (fuels for Hitler's war machine). Very strange method to "preserve peace", laddie.
3. You know matey, even soviet "historians" like to shake before faces of readers of trophies and other sweet goodies that Nazies got during early stages of war. Fuels, materials, weapons, ammo, either captured on site or tossed away by running reds.
So many burned tanks and aircrafts and captured materials of war and pow's... why so much good stuff concentrated on the border? If you're saying and other "historians" saying that commies were trying to preserve the peace?

Honestly, I should applause. It's were your own fault to get such catastrophe, one following another. Hypocrisy, murders and lies turned back to you.

"only 600 000 executed in total- less than a million."
I suppose that piece of red tape will tolerate everything, eh, matey?

"We implied the Finnish war, not WW-2 in this part of the discussion. As to the WW-2, it was not a pyrrus victory."
Another misunderstanding. You were implying "Great Patriotic" war, not WW-2. Typical "tradition" for homeside "historians", dividing WW-2 and that, other. And I was speaking of WW-2 and its conflicts itself.

"I said: that's no argument."
Poor quality of your manners reminds me of ancient barbarian logic before a rich city: "i don't understand it, let's plunder everything and kill and rape everyone in it!"

"I tell you that USSR DID NOT divide poland 50/50- you start telling me about plundering and executions. I tell you about victory in Berlin- you tell me about post-war division of Berlin. While I continue to follow the line of discussion, you just wander off into other subtopics."

Constant rejection does not help you. Poles will remember russian lies, as well all other nations which suffered from it. And for the "victory of Berlin", how could I forget it when each political impotent here in moskvabad yelling with spit "можем повторить!!!", ха-ха.
It is you who keep fueling this conversation with truly Orwellian "doctrines", and "A-bombing Finland" bedtime stories, laddie!

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>Finland Democratic Republic" and Otto Kussinen surely doesn't ring your little bell.
Оруэлл будто в воду глядел...

That is not an argument and does not counter the fact, that at the moment of the winter war, the reds came not not take all finland, but came to take only Carelia.

>Well, for reds War is Peace. For reds Freedom is Slavery. For reds Ignorance is Strength.

Are you able to use valid arguments instead of stupid sarcasm? Quoting Orwell is not an argument, especially if you do not give any arguments as to the appropriateness of the quotation and the arguments as to the correctness of Orwells words.

>No wonders why Poles and Finnish fought the reds with their arms.

Because they were a bunch of fools, believing that an independent poland is something worth fighting for, OR finnish carelia is worth fighting for. Basically, their only argument is: somebody told us that carelia must be finnish/poland's flags must fly in Lviv. Thats all.

>Brilliant, on the each fact there's a whaling "Western propaganda!" And "took those lands back". I've been wondering why such immoral hypocrisies running things in your ideology.
But in the end, why should I wonder to call for conscience of conscience killers?
>bla bla bla you are wrong I SAY

That's no argument.

>Intenal affairs? That's what Nazis were telling about their death camps.
"reds killed traitors, criminals, nazies"

Bringing some non-argumented analogues is no argument.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Actually, matey, national independence for every nation that bordering with moskvabad is equal to peace and liberty, but to whom I am speak it, you're have nothing in common with liberty and peace.

Poor wretched slaves like you did not deserve nor peace, nor liberty. Congrats, little conscience-killer, you've showed me typical immorality of both your ideology and ruskies as well. No wonder why they are reduced in such abominable existance.

After all, by their own lies, treachery and blood they really deserve it. The only equality you have is equality with nazis. That's why there's so many of 'em in moskvabad, maybe?

And your poor caps lock button raping doesn't change anything, matey.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>is equal to
Because you said it? And because you said that peace and liberty are a must? And how is it relevant to the point of the discussion?
>moskvabad
What is "moskvabad"?
>YOU ARE A SLAVE!
So, to be a truly free person, you do not have to fight a revolution against laws of man, nature, physics, the hypothetical gods, your own inner limitations, and existence-unexistence itself, but you just have to write comments that criticise Russia? Do I understand you correctly?
Also, insulting you opponent and calling him a "slave" is no argument, do you know?
>conscience-killer
I did not kill any living being that had a conscience.
>immorality
You know that morals are just a bunch of subjective words? And that your morals are not better than my?
>lies
What lies?
>deserve it
Says who?
>matey
As I said- I am not your matey.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>suppose you should know that if a human being is got beaten up with a hammer for days or stripped of his sleep for a week he will told everything you want to hear. But of course you know.

So?

>esults are tyrants' yoke, millions are dead and red vultures feasting on those millions

Thats not an argument.

>1. Oh, I know of collaboration in countries of western Europe and even in U.S. though Hitler's submarine raids quickly healed every pro-Nazi sentiments in America, as well as air bombing of Britain resolved them to fight.
2. "Preserving peace" commies? Cool bed-time story, matey. Tell it to Finnish (Winter war), or Poles (occupation of eastern Poland), or Brits with French (fuels for Hitler's war machine). Very strange method to "preserve peace", laddie.
3. You know matey, even soviet "historians" like to shake before faces of readers of trophies and other sweet goodies that Nazies got during early stages of war. Fuels, materials, weapons, ammo, either captured on site or tossed away by running reds.
So many burned tanks and aircrafts and captured materials of war and pow's... why so much good stuff concentrated on the border? If you're saying and other "historians" saying that commies were trying to preserve the peace?

I repeat:
1) The soviet union tried to support Peace with the Nazie Germany(and prevent WW2) by behaving decently with nazi germany. Can you counter this fact, or will you try to walk away from answering, by throwing in stuff that is irrelevant to the point?
2) Poland and Finland were not parts of the Reich and having war with them was not braking the peace deal with the reich, and was not starting WW-2.
3)Poland annexed parts of Ukraine and Belarus, and Finland had Russian Carelia and provoked the USSR. They are wrong and the USSR is just.
4) The good stuff was concentrated at the border as a line of protection against the nazies/

>bla bla bla hypocricy bla bla bla lies

That's no argument.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

"So"

Of course. You're perfect murderer of consciousness. How I could forget that.

"That's no argument"

I haven't seen yours, because constantly lying is not argument either.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>bla bla bla murder of consiousness
>bla bla bla murder of cosisiususus
>bla bla bla mirder os cosnsusuus
>bla bla bla...X9000

Do you have any arguments, or will you continue to repeat some schizophrenic nonsense about some "murder of consiousness"? Or will you at least be sane enough to explain- WHAT murder of WHAT consciousness and HOW it is relevant to the topic of the discussion?

>i
I gave you arguments and you gave me none in return. The "AND YOU DIDN'T GIVE ME" is no argument for not giving argument either.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>bla bla bla red tape bla bla bla matey
That's no argument.

>you were implying
I was implying the finnish war, that was not a part of WW-2 or the great patriotic war.

>manners
Speaking about manners is no argument. Also, you were the first who started insulting communism and the USSR, you were the first who started "matey"ing a person that you do not know and who is not your "matey" so it's you who started the whole "bad manners thing".

>rejections
Rejections of your demagogy? I tell you about A- you tell me about B, instead of giving arguments for/against A. That's demagogy.

>bla bla bla orwell bla bla bla laddie

You are poured off, you know? Again.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Where's the demagogy if you're keep your little illusions? Or that's it where. But you have no even demagogy, only lies. Only your similarities with nazis. Again. But keep going with your lies. It never prevails over the truth.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>bla bla bla illusions bla bla bla you are a nzies bla bla bla
That's no argument.
>over the truth
So much pathos from a depraved person who is unable to give any sane arguments, and only writes continuous nonsense that is irrelevant to the point.

The funny thing is: it took you days to write this piece of madness, that consists of 3 lines and 40 short words, lol.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Days? Another misleading thought of yours, laddie.
Nothing keeps me here, as well as nothing keeps me to check on your squealing from time to time.

We're not on rush here, aren't we, eh?
But of course we're not in hurry, little moth.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>another misleading thought of yours
What "misleadinhg thought"? Are you nuts? It took you days to answer my posts. It's a FACT, and the time-codes in the posts show it. You are just so accustomed to lying, that you try to deny reality.
>laddie
>little moth
>your squealing
That's how your mother calls you? Somebody here spoke about culture and rudeness, but continues to insult other people by calling them diminutive names. Maybe I should report you?

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androgynousdolphin
androgynousdolphin

is the alliance between factions going to be permanent? can the khergit/vaegir relations sour similar to how the USSRussia and PRChina actually did in real life?

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

You mean rivalry, border frictions and permanenr risk of full scale war like in real life?
Chinese don't like ruskies that much.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

Actually, the "ruskies" saved China during WW-2, and Stalin refused Mongolia, Sinjan, Tibet, who asked to become part of the USSR, only to protect the territorial integrity of China and become friends with the said China, despite the fact that at that moment China was week, and there was no practical reasons to help it, and loose lands/resources/manpower.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Remember Battle of Damanskiy Island, chum.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

You mean the battle where china was beaten by the red army, who mercifully did not use the victory to pressure china?

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

And you think that make the chinese folks like the ruskies?

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SHASUI
SHASUI

Yes id does. The fact that the russians did not use their power to pressure china. And the fact that the russians helped china before( Stalin had an option to accept a petion of the Sindjan-Uygur region of China to become part of the USSR, but refused, as he refused the same petion from KSR and Mongolia, basically, Stalin saved the territorial integrity of China, and helped to reclaim other lands from japaneese).

You should better learn the history of the region, for a westerner, speaking about chineese-russian relations is as absurd, as a nigerian speaking about american-canadian relations, while knowing nothing about the region.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

I'm living in the region, matey. And that is you the one who should teach history better, that the chinese don't have any other pals than other chinese.

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Guest
Guest

Oh, and I am the president o' the US, and live in Washington DC.

The whole 'ruskies' crap shows that you do not live in the region and that you are a westerner.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Ну, привет-привет из Якутии, милый Донни ;)

Oh, I will gladly move to greener pastures in midwest U.S., though right now I must reside myself almost on another planet which is Sakha Republic.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>i'm living in the region
Any proof of that? The russian flag in you profile is no proof. And a russian hating russians is absurd(and even if you ARE one of those xenopatriots, you must know that russian xenopatriots don't use words like "ruskies", as the "Guest" below mentioned).

Also, the whole "I live here I know better" is important, as I said before, but it can't be used as the sole argument.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

You see, matey, I'm half-Sakha, though I doubt you've heard of Sakha nationality at all. My good father is russian, though he's not looking like one because he's a good-natured man, an excellently educated one, a doctor. No wondering why the folks asking if he's a jew. Dad told me to answer 'em "yes" on the "Jewish Topic", ha.

Oh, haven't ya' heard of Samuel Johnson's saying about patriotism?
Who said that I don't like Chinese... the ruskies are so afraid that they will be conquered by some ominous "Foreign Power" (put here some dramatic music) that they didn't noticed how many chinese around 'em. Whoops. Too late, boys.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>half russian hulf russian nazmen
And a russian hates russians, faps to american, finns, poliacs, germans, chineese? Are you a masochist, or should I say "half-masochist"? Do you like to imagine being hated by the chineese, being killed by the germans or the 'yankee with the machine gun'? What's the point of your stupid rusofoby?

>My good father is russian, though he's not looking like one because he's a good-natured man, an excellently educated one, a doctor.
Ah, that part where you are implying that all russians look and behave like uneducated barbarians(I bet your father didn't educated in barbaric Russia, for there is no education or doctors there). This part shows that you are either not living in Russia, or you are a fat troll. But let me tell you a thing: even if they were undecuted and were not doctors, it' doesn't mean they could not dress properly. Also, being a jew is NOT synonimous with being good looking and well mannered, and jews are not/are not the only people with such characteristics, and there are lots of bad mannered and bad looking jews.

So, the whole point of people calling your father a jew is the fact, that he looks jewish. By blood. And you, "matey-seeker", are a rusofobic half-jew, living in big bad Russia, hating it, but being unable to travel to Holy Murica or some other non-Russian stinkhole that you believe in.

>or haven' ya' heard some old fool saying some shite
Nope.

>who said that I don't like Chinese
I said that you don't like russians. You should have some eye-treatment.

>foreign power
So, chineese are not foreign?

>how many chinese around 'em
Ah, the stereotypes that there are lots of chineese in Russia, and that the chineese will conquer Russia, yes? In reality, there are 3.4 chineese, even in the border lands.

>whoops too late, boys

'oo late for 'at? 'h, ain't I behaving all 'true-western-style' english-manish speaking, just 'ike yo, laddo?

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

You know, matey, I was told once that I'm not a russian once with very huge amount of times. With ongoing years, observing how ruskies treat themselves towards the other nations and getting kicked in their own homes into their ***** by "their own" government and its lapdogs, I decided that's it only do me good that I'm not a russian. Because I will never be in the eyes of other ruskies. Better to be whom I want to be. For example, maybe the guy who's using his own head to think and that's not going to bow before an paganic idol as you are.

It is not my fault that majority of ruskies has adopted Hitler's social policy towards the slavic peoples: no hygiene, only vodka and tobacco. And it's not again my fault that folks have the stereotype on the jews that they are clean and good natured, and the third time it is not my fault that I'm asked if my good Dad is a jew because he's got "stereotypes" such that. Also, by the following fashionable trend he also considered as not-russian because he's married to a Sakha woman and thus became a racial traitor towards "Zeee Great, блеять, Рашн-твою дивизию-Пипл", мать. Ну, ты должно быть, дружок, не в курсах что тут все медленно но верно начинают накачиваться ненавистью через зомбоящик, интернеты и проч.

О, и в России я не живу, я живу в Якутии, аллё, гараж!

>or haven' ya' heard some old fool saying some shite
Nope.

Too bad for you. Poor fellow.

>who said that I don't like Chinese
I said that you don't like russians. You should have some eye-treatment.
Look above in case of short memory, matey.
>foreign power
So, chineese are not foreign?
Poor ruskies consider them as brothers. If so, the ruskies are that kind of brother that drunk off parents' apartments and gambled himself to naked ***.
>how many chinese around 'em
Ah, the stereotypes that there are lots of chineese in Russia, and that the chineese will conquer Russia, yes? In reality, there are 3.4 chineese, even in the border lands.

Some people consider the chinese as deliverance to the region, their hard workers comparing to ruskies drunkards, they intermarry the russian women that have children from them, not from the russian drunkards, and the chinese growing up in numbers, comparing to perishing ruskies due to murder, drugs, violence and alcohol doubled with Bohemian Corporal's social policy.

>whoops too late, boys.
Губит людей не пиво?
In case of ruskies, this axiom needs to be reviewed.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>bla bla bla ruskies bla bla bla bad ruskies
Ok.
>я живу в Якутии
Yakutia is a region that is part of the Russian Federation.
>look above
Looked. I was right and you were wrong.
>consider them as brothers
1. So what?
2. Any proof of that?
>some people consider
So what?
>bla bla bla bear bla bla bla ruskies
Do you have scishophasia? У тебя шизофазия? Сам хоть понимаешь, что несёшь, и к чему несёшь? Половина твоих комментариев- написанное ни к селу ни к городу. Я тебе об одном- ты мне о другом.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

"Yakutia is a region that is part of the Russian Federation."
Sure, there's plenty vlasovs tricolors and harvest-killer ribbons but it's closed more to China then to moskvastan. And gets closer and closer to chinese every year.

1. So what?
The Chinese brother might show some respect by attending on the smaller brother's funeral, and of course, by taking part at funeral feast.
2. Any proof of that?
Any proof from me will be answered by you with whaling. So I could offer you at least my humble eyewitnesses described above.
Здрастье-подвинься, сам ныл про русофобию. Ну вот, объяснили неучу - неуч завыл что ему не понятно.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>there s
Yakutia is part of the Russian Federation, it is a FACT. Russian laws, russian flags, russian army, russian language, russian culture, russian taxes, etc.
>vlasov tricolors
Your trolling is just going more and more absurd. The trikolor was used by Russia BEFORE vlasov was even born, and the trikolor was used after the fall of the USSR not because of some associations with vlasov.
>it' closed more to china
Wut?
>gets closer and closer
The land stands up and walks? Or will you tell me about a mythical chinisation? Also, the whole notion of you hating the "evil" Russian "empire", and liking the chinese expansionism/the usa imperialism is such a show of double standards.
>funeral
What funeral?
>any proof
If you do not give proof, than you have lost the discussion, or, in russian- ты слился.

И да, чтоб показать какой ты дохрена русский- не обязательно писать по-русски. Тем более, что твой русский настолько корявый, что неудивлюсь, что ты не нацменский еврейчик из Якутии, а таки житель запада под проксями.

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

"Yakutia is part of the Russian Federation"
Sure, I said that already, plenty vlasov's stuff. And weakening economy doesn't giving much hopes for all that rubbish. Oh, Sakha independence quite doubtful, do not worry. Folks here will just meet their new owner.

"some associations with vlasov"
Которых, дружочек, их вокруг довольно много. Даже для Якутии. Попы справляют службы напротив памятника тогдашнему пахану, бессмертные полки, колорадские ленточки на всем подряд, от машин до рекламы детских магазинов... а между тем все это бросалось в кучу хлама вместе с трофейными свастиками на красной площади.

"liking the chinese expansionism/the usa imperialism"

Oh, Chinese expansion to north is a fact that doesn't require your blessings or dissaproval, as well as mine.

About U.S. good ol' imperialism I must tell you that I don't need any squealing from you, matey.

"дохрена русский"
"ты слился"
Лэнгли, прикрытие раскрыто! Передайте в Пентагон, срочно!

А вот и неправильно, дружочек. Я же говорил-то как раз что я не ру-Вафен-СС-кий. Впрочем, я и не предлагал тебе мне верить, удивляйся сколько влезет.
"житель запада"
Обеими руками за, с удовольствием перееду на запад как только выдастся случай. Верь, не верь, мне-то какая разница? Люди теряют работу, спиваются и мрут как мухи, но какая разница? Всем плевать, главное погрузиться в прошлое, да и потонуть в нем.

What funeral?
Murder, drugs, violence and Bohemian Corporal's social policy that is.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>bla bla bla vlasov

I said: Yakutia is part of Russia. That's a fact. At this part of the argument, I am correct, and you are wrong(as always). Your sarcasm is not an argument and does not proove that the fact is not a fact, and that I am wrong.

And throwing in stuff that is irrelevant to the point- is demagogy.

>ряя попы колорадские ленточки

И к чему ты это?

>is a fact
Do you have PROOFS of this "fact"?

>I don't need any
Or what?

>я не
Ты просто очередной русофоб, у которого помимо штампов "кровавый совок/триллионы расстреляных лично сталиным/финны были правы ЯСКОЗАЛ/+15 оля/орвелл писал!/западправ/китайвасзахватит" больше нет ничего в голове, и который помимо этого ничего привести не может.

>с удовольствием перееду на запад
Но в итоге переедешь в последнее жилище из сырой земли и деревянного ящика 2 на 0.5.

>люди теряют, спиваются, мрут как мухи
Да, на Западе.

>murder drugs violence
That's just a random assortment of words. Are you mentally ill or are you a neural network?

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

"random assortment of words"
I'm afraid that it is your whaling and your own mental disabilities, poor matey.
Murder, drugs and violence is typical existance here.
But please, do continue your lies and wrongs. Such abomination as you is enriching experience.

"Or what?"
Thank you, but I consider I'll be good enough with your advices that should be trashed into nearest dumpster, laddie.

На западной рашке, дальне-восточной рашке, в сибири дохнут ватнички как ты наравне с докторами, учителями, рабочими, учеными... кроме тех что массово уезжают на Запад. Пишите письма, пришлите подарочек. Но твое умственно-осталое завывание тут тоже ничего не попишет. В рашке нужен только персонал для трубы, полицаи и вертухаи для защиты тушек владельцев трубы. Так что смело переезжай сюда, посмотрим на ещё одну ленивую хахлятину которая считает что ей вокруг все подряд должны. Вот тебе факт, приезжай в солнечную Якутию, увидь все своими глазами и стань ещё одной "беглянкой с далбаса", "хунтистом" и бендерлогом, поскольку русским ты никогда не станешь.

"0.5"
О, опять ты что-то путаешь, дружочек, у меня гораздо более амбициозные намерения и в твоих советах я не нуждаюсь, тем более что это твое место, вместе с остальными биоотходами после абортов.

"Ты"
Мадам, хоть вы мне льстите, я прошу вас прекратить истерику, это некрасиво... хотя вы не мадам, ты баба.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>is typical
Says who?
>here
Where "here"?
>lies
So, if I lie, will you give some proof of it, and some arguments and proofs as to the 'thruthfulness' of your words? I thought so.
>i consider
And?
>на рашке
>дохнут
>пишите письма
>хунтистом
>не станешь
Ты поехавший?
>у меня гораздо более амбициозные намерения
Свалить из России в США, и продолжать своё пустое кукарекание оттуда?
>мадам
>баба
Ты больной?

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mr_scroundel
mr_scroundel

Typical existance in vatnikland, a.k.a. ruSSia, laddie.
Nobody's speaking here of it, mate, they're just kill themselves, drink and poison to death without any questions.

Here's some fresh facts, matey.
The Dickhead & his crew is cutting pensions for rest of ruskies. Male pops will see it maybe in 65. And female pops will see it probably in 63.
Who needs pensions when Dickhead is in desperate need for yet another palace or another war to pocket the cashflow, eh?

But seriously, this is very sad. Most folks in this country doesn't seem to make for their 60's.

And?
I'll better pick up Freedom which is Not Free.

Как оригинально. Просто очаровательно.
Хотя возможно тут вы и правы, задавать опасные вопросы в условиях здешней обазитаченной оруэлловщины признак опасной болезни под названием "вольнодумие".

Свалить из рашки в США и зажить там в свое удовольствие?
Звучит прям как план.

Вы повторяетесь.

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SHASUI
SHASUI

>vatnikland
>ruSSia
>dickhead
>dickhead
>ruskies

Are you mentally ill?
Or should I report you for bad language?
>pensions

Did I ask you something about pensions? Or do you just assault people with random stuff that is irrelevant to the point of the discussion?

>freedom

What "freedom" Being a slave of a government? Just don't lie that you are an anarhist or smth.

>как оригинально

Что "оригинально", поехавший?

>зажить там в свое удовольствие

Тешить свои животные инстинкты. Вот только ты не сможешь даже это, так как твоя мотивация- это не желание жить хорошо, и жить в США, нет. Твоя мотивация- это тупая ненависть к России, которую ты прикрываешь якобы борцунством за свободу. Либерахи вроде тебя готовы на всё ради ненависти к России. Речь о СССР и Рейхе? Всё, вы за Рейх и переобуваетесь на лету в нацистов. Речь о РФ и КНР? Всё, вы уже коммунисты, хотя коммунизм ненавидите. Речь о РФ и хороших отношениях с Трампом? Всё, США говно, мы сами за себя. Вы просто глупые деструктивные животные, получающие удовольствия от оного деструктива, и пытающиеся его и для себя и для окружающих обосновать боробой за "свободу" и "хорошую жизнь". Ба, вы даже это прикрытие нарушаете, и если в РФ где-то есть свобода, то вы тут же начинаете топить против свободы, и за стальной порядок и тоталитаризм. Аналогично и с уровнем жизни. Если в РФ зарплата лучше чем скажем в украине, то тут же вы начинаете "деньги не главное, главное патриотизм/ракеты/танчики", хотя сами раньше топили за противоположное.

И если ты, животное, переедешь в США, то ты не будешь жить хорошо. А будешь продолжать истекать ненавистью к РФ и строчить боевые посты в интернете.

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The_Archduke_of_Hell

We can definitely set the ground for certain factions to be allies, but we can't force them, there's a decent chance that the Vaegirs will declare war on the Khergits, due to border friction and such, but it's unlikely it'll happen until way later on in the game.

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