STA3 Uprising 1.0 Upkeep Patch for DL's before 16 March 2019 file - Star Trek: Armada 3 mod for Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion

Still have dropping income.
It goes down to the half amount in some seconds and then jump up to the normal amount, only to drop again, etc.
No militia is present as the game is still at the start.

Hi, Gul-Dukat.
Link for your other answer?
i downloaded the patch, replaced the gameinfo folder but still i see that general income money drop.
I have seen it in federation play before patch and playing klingon now with the patch.

Must i start new game to see the money drop issue removed?

Gul's more lengthy explanation of the behavior you're describing can be currently found in an exchange with a rather testy user on the second page of the main mod page comments. Here's a snippet that gives an idea of what's going on under the surface to cause the fluctuating income behavior:

"You start the game with several vessels and they're responsible for the drain on your income. It jumps back up because of the way the game is currently hardcoded.

The reason that your income seems to jump around in the way it does is because any income generation or loss is achieved by "ticks" in game, with income refreshing every couple of seconds. As you'll be building ships at random intervals, the credit drain does show oddly due to the way it interacts with the game's ticks."

I'm receiving this issue as well, even after the patch update. I understand the generalized "tick down then back up" issue as that has been in effect for quite some time, but now I'm supposedly getting for example 20credits per tick according to my credit report, but I look at my credits and they are being drained by who knows what and I'm in actuality only getting 1or2 credits per tick which is ridiculous and for obvious reasons grinds my economy to a halt. It appears to be getting +20 but then -18 every tick, which is very peculiar to me. I'm actually gaining dilthium and metal at a faster rate than I am credits, which is a problem.

It just started happening after putting about 2 hours into a save, otherwise it was working fine. I'm not exactly sure how to fix this, or even if I can I may have to shelve it until I figure out what I'm doing wrong.

It is a truly amazing mod when it's working perfectly.

For clarity:

-The credit "jump/drain" has been a feature since at least NEM/TFF. It's confusing visually, but it's how the game displays credit income with each individual ship having an upkeep cost implemented. The game is working as they intended. Per Gul:

"your ships cost credits per second. 0.25 for frigates, 0.5 for cruisers and 1 for cap ships."

It would be nice if the overall income rate was displayed as a consistent number that just raised and lowered depending on your number and types of ships at the moment and showed a static number for total ship upkeep but it doesn't. I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised by it now.

The biggest issue is that it can be hard to tell exactly how your credit production matches up to your upkeep costs since the display fluctuates constantly. It's easy to end up going "into the red" without realizing it if you have too many ships and not enough economy to support them because the the credit display is wonky.

The desired upkeep cost alternatively could be tied directly to fleet capacity, but this is the devs' attempt to tie it to actual ships owned, rather than just capacity levels purchased. How it displays in-game isn't their fault. The "guts" of the game doesn't allow for an accurate up-to-the-second income figure at the moment with the upkeep implemented, but it might in the future.

The only thing you can do for now to make certain that you aren't biting off more than your economy can chew is to build your fleets slowly and steadily to match the improvements of your income rate.

-It appears the drain was a bit more extreme than initially intended because it was figuring in all your "outlaws" ships as well (keep in mind that the minor factions ships do actually count toward your upkeep too). This hotfix (only applicable to downloads before 16MAR19, the main download has this in there now) takes the outlaws ships out of the equation so the drain is only coming from your actual created/captured ships. Looking at the code, I don't fully understand how it's supposed to work, but that's the intent. Myself, I can't verify if the outlaws problem was there in TFF/NEM or not or if this fix works, but that's the idea.

-If the "drain" is still too much for you, compensate by playing with both the small fleets and fast income options. This seems to match it up pretty well for me.

Small fleets as compared to normal reduces your capacity by 25% (you can still build the same amount of capital ships though so careful there since they cost more). By nature it keeps your overall ship count down, but it helps especially in the early game. By the time you build your capacity up (assuming only one set of research posts at each planet owned and a strong trade infrastructure), your economy should be able to handle it (unless you gain more capacity too quickly by the federation tech that gives research levels per capital ship, then maybe you could outpace your capacity vs. economy support).

The fast income option boosts your credit output by 30%. Don't be afraid of using a "cheat". If you're playing against the computer, they earn credits way faster than the player anyway.

If you want to use normal fleet size, I'd suggest maybe going with the fastest income option, which boosts it by 75% to compensate. That may be a bit much, but the fast option might not be quite enough. The fastest income might match up well to the large fleet sizes option though, which boosts capacity by 25%.

Thanks for the detailed explanation, The Scootness.

The patch HAVE fixed that severe money drain in my last gameplays so i guess now it does not calcualate the outlaw ships toward the upkeep.

Hey Gul,
Not not sure if anyone else has reported an inability to load saved games. I get a mini dump any time i try to load a game.

Hi

Every time I am playing as the Romulans I get a random mini dump error and it crashes the game about every 5 minuets into game play. Any suggestions?

Thanks

Are the klingons supposed to have a -30% upkeep at the final logistics tier?

I miss the icon replacer mod. it is far harder to micromanage this way and it looks meh...
but great work

TheScootness

'I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised by it now. '

Because for people who just came into downloading this mod, it's really jarring because regular sins does not have a mechanic like this, which is frankly quite stupid given that Sins already had upkeep, why STA3 does what it does is beyond me, it seems rather redundant

Ship icons display as diamond shapes instead of the actual ship.

Please more moose....... with tuques..... awesome MOD! More please!

Hi just asking do the borg no longer have shields as i have watched a play through you and some other guys made the borg had shields then just wanted to know have had sins for a year and not
had STA3 long.