European Leopard image - Rise of the Reds mod for C&C: Generals Zero Hour

They are part of the Eurasian federation AKA Russia.

Good point. But as Croat, i must share 2 facts here regarding Croatia:

- Croatia is part of NATO

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

- Croatia will be from year 2013 part of Europe Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Croatia_to_the_European_Union

So there is no reason to make it neutral, since Croatia was never attracted to Russia in past like Serbia was.

And if i may suggest (now that i have already commented) a unit, i suggest tank Degman:

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m95_degman.htm

alo covece ovo je igrica samo a da se stvarno desi ovakav scenario kao u igri, cisto sumnjma da bi nato uopste postojao a logika kaze da bi u svom tom sranju balkan morao da se ujedini vojno kako nebi bio kolonizovan od novih vojnih saveza.

i agry but maybu in future we have some unit from Serbia, Croatia etc. in Russian army. This is only rename of existing units. Many people from balcan play this mod. I know, we are not only one but...fortunaly we have long military history and many wars

There's not that much input from dutch vehicles either but i don't mind. in the normal generals there wasn't a European faction at all so just row with the paddles you have.

isen't that the same ability that the sentinile can be upgraded with?

Yeah, pretty much. Amusingly, the current German built AMAP-ADS seems to use...'directed energy beams'. Sound familiar?

I'm guess the team didn't want to give ECA the same stuff the US already has.

I see. So it basically makes it a bit more resistant to a sudden lack of (anti)infantry support. Sounds rather nice, really.

Exactly. The blue camo' looks awesome, although the grey areas could be a bit darker/more pronounced, like on the Excavator for example: Moddb.com

Anyway, awesome!! :D

Hard to read the description ain't it?

"You call that armour?"

That too is German quality. They've got the best armour AND the weapons to punch through armour :D

Well, the Germans did invent the submachine gun, the first widely-adopted general-purpose machine gun, the first successful helicopter, the assault rifle, the jet fighter, the ballistic missile, and many other great innovations. :D

Because ofc by your opinion a great innovation is something that kills as many people as possible :|

Well, given the context, it makes the most sense to name those, now don't it?
And let's be honest. The helicopter and jet fighter (well its engines, anyway) went on to revolutionise air travel and the (in)famous V2 missiles (and their designer) were later used to kick start space exploration. One of the main goals of said designer, from what I remember.

So that makes...three out of five devices useful for more than just wiping **** out. Sounds like a decent score when talking about weapons.

Well that's like saying nuke weapons revolutionized power generation. But i'm pretty sure the japanese would've been happy with other sources of energy without having 2 cities leveled. The innovation itself is nice, sadly it requires thousands of death people to be done. And no one can ask the dead if it was worth it.

Japan had far more than two of their cities levelled. Only the other ones were done with chemical, rather than nuclear fire. And as a reminder, with the latter, there's a chance you'll be vaporised before you even know what's going on. You won't get off as lightly with the former.

And innovation doesn't require thousands of deaths. That probably has more to do with the circumstances that encourage it the most often involving various amounts of various groups doing their very best trying to kill the **** out of each other. Having unpleasant numbers of sociopaths in leadership positions probably doesn't help.
And let's be honest. The dead don't give a damn. Never did, never will.

That said, if you want to continue this, send me a PM. Don't wanna risk someone hunting me down and trying to kill me for almost completely unrelated walls of text I seem to be leaving around lately.

exactly The US destroyed most of the rest of the Japanese Cities with incendiary bombs, much of the time incurring even greater damage than the atomic bombs. The use of the atomic bombs was far more humane than modern people like to admit.

of course the alternative to the atomic bombs would have been invasion, which would have been more costly in money and human lives on both sides. see part of japanese culture and religion is to never give up, it is their #1 societal value, to surrender or lose for that matter is to dishonner your ancenctors, to dishonner your ancestors makes you less than dirt in their eyes almost littlerally, the one way to save face is to perform Sepaku (suicide). Had the US invaded they may well have had to wipe out every last Japanese Person, this was their level of devotion. When the Emperor called for surrender the military started a Coup and tried to kill him, The Emperor may be god but the rule against surrender is stronger than him, to kill a god for such a crime as surrender, that put things in perspective?

also might mention that if they had not used the atomic bomb who knows when we would have learned of its existence, perhaps even never.

Actually, that's probably not true. Sure, the soldiers might've held for a while but the typical civilian is still a typical civilian. Hungry, weary and very much inclined to survival. Even if the emperor says otherwise.
But he probably wouldn't. Japan was already trying to deal with the Soviet union since June and the only issue it had with surrendering were the allies demanding an unconditional one.
There's a good chance the Red Army steamrolling Manchuria, cutting off their last supply of resources and wiping the floor with their troops there had a greater effect on their surrender.

And a nuke isn't a weapon that's really worth anything kept under the carpet. Extremely expensive and hard to build and painfully hard to use properly.
Except, of course, if you start chanting "Si vis pacem, para bellum," and loudly proclaiming you have a doomsday weapon of some sort.
Or better yet, using it on a civilian population! You don't even get a war crime tribunal if you don't lose the war!
So they'd just find another excuse to use the thing on some visible target.

God i just love it when kids talk about **** they don't know **** about. Dude the difference between using napalm or any kind of high explosive device and nuclear weapons is that one does direct damage AT THE TIME IS LAUNCHED and the other ... well guess what - 60 years later and the effects of the radiation in those cities and within Japan is still felt. You see, nukes also leave behind a fuckton of radiation that will kill people for many many generations AFTER it was dropped. So try to think more with your brain and less with stupid movie material.

Ah, alrighty, then. Public it is.
First off, I didn't mention the radiation because I was referring to the fact that a nuke might crush you with the shockwave or just outright vaporise you, unlike an incendiary attack, where you mainly have the choice between burning to death, inhalation of smoke, inhalation of carbon oxides, death from burns, all of the above or death from scar infection afterwards, if you're feeling exotic.
And about 80% of the residual radiation is released in the first day or so. At this point the radiation level in either city is pretty much the same as the global average. So, no, it will not persist for generations, most of that damage was done before they even knew the concept of radiation sickness.
So you can take that fuckton of yours and shove it where the sun don't shine. Or just leave it in the upper atmosphere.
Really, almost all the damage that is 'still felt' is the fact that you'll have trouble finding a house built before 1945 since it didn't leave a lot in the way of lasting genetic damage either, aside from the increase of cancer risk for those who were directly exposed.

Though nuclear weapons are tragic affairs, as far as life expectancy is concerned. Neither Moscow nor Washington have a life expectancy like Hiroshima.
They drop short by a whole eight to seven years.

Tl;dr Dude, i wasnt even answering you. I answered mcard and my comment was under yours since you answered him first. So stop acting like a frekin drama queen.

Doesn't change the fact that you were off by miles.

Great means more then good, great is a measure of power good or bad.

Not that humanity is particularly moral in any case.

actually the Russians made the first successful helicopter.

Assuming you're referring to Sikorsky, a Russian. He was already living in the USA at the time, from what I remember.
And Germany was already building building their own since the 'Focke-Achgelis Fa 223' in 1941 and the 'Flettner Fl 282' in 1942.
I'm guessing they'd have counted as successful had their factories not been obliterated by air strikes.

All of this arguing over a simple list of military innovations... This is just sad. >:(