Halo: Starside Intercept is a Homeworld 2 total conversion bringing tactical space combat to the Halo universe.
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Loftus scale chart, but more realistic, and cooler because it's inverted
I didn't expect to see the Forerunner ship in here, can't wait to hear on it in the future.
The Key ship is more than a little off-scale.
ya I always thought it was much larger than an assault carrier
It is. About 14k so its badly off scale.
The keyship really isn't that big, on the Tsavo Highway level of Halo 3, you can see 2 CCS class battlecruisers excavating the portal generator, and it's only marginally larger then them:
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Loftus based his measurements off of the in game models and how large they would be when compared to High Charity, but remember that Bungie often times used exaggeration of scale to accentuate game elements or because of engine constraints. We don't have to adhere to these constraints because the limitations of Homeworld 2 are far less pronounced.
Length
11.41 kilometers (7.09 miles)
Width
13.18 kilometers (8.19 miles)
Height/depth
14 kilometers (8.70 miles)
is the size of the key ship/ Forerunner Dreadnought
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I was under the impression the Marathon and Halcyon Cruisers were almost the same size.
Halcyon: 1,170 meters
Marathon: 1,190 meters
The Marathon model was used to show the Pillar of Autumn escaping a burning Reach in Halo 2, so as far as in game models go, we know that Bungie liked to use material interchangeably, so we aren't accepting that measurement. We chose to base our measurements off of The Fall of Reach novel by Eric Nylund, which offers the only size comparative between the Marathon and the Halcyon that we know of.
As I sated before:
Halcyon: 1,170 meters
Marathon: 1,190 meters
This is, of course, by the book measurements. And probably the Halo Encyclopedia. Have you read it?
Which book?
Not to bash the writers of the Halo Encyclopedia, but I'm sure the thought process that went into that adding that particular measurement was: 'does it exist online within 5 seconds of now?', and not: 'does it already exist within our established canon?'.
Additionally, every mention of the Halcyon and Marathon cruiser makes the Marathon seem a lot larger even though it's only a few dozen meters longer. Firstly, a 1,190 meter Marathon is not larger then a 1,170 meter Halcyon because the Marathon is a skinnier, more open ship. Its like saying a 1.001km length of rope is larger then a 1km skyscraper, that's not really how things are measured in this universe or the Halo universe. You see, in both universes, ships are measured by tonnage, and tonnage doesn't refer to mass as it refers to internal volume in cubic meters, and the only mention of tonnage in Halo is in The Fall of Reach when it stated how the Halcyon was 1/3 the tonnage of the Marathon, which makes the Marathon appx. 1.7km, however because the Halcyon is a bulkier ship, the Marathon should really be larger, but for the aforementioned reasons we chose to scale the ship exactly as I have portrayed it above. I could really go on as to why we scaled these ships the way we did, but I think it's clear you will simply not be satisfied until things are exactly as you want them.
Which is unfortunate, we here at HSI are really trying to do our best to provide the best, which sometimes involves countermanding popular perception. Remember that Bungie itself was quick to override it's own established canon when they felt it would serve their next installments better.
Because length = mass. Brilliant.
Also you forgot to add the Covenant Destroyer.
I'm pretty sure I never said mass = length. Tonnage refers to internal volume in cubic meters. Please, if you must respond to everything you don't like, at least take the liberty of actually reading the comments you respond to before responding to them. It will save me time not having to restate the same thing.
Also, we've already stated we wouldn't be using Halo Wars material, so please stop asking about it.
I know that but you said you based the length for the Marathon off the gross tonnage compared to the Halcyon cruiser. So my assumption was that your basis of making the Marathon larger was because of the added tonnage with a length ratio.
The Covenant Destroyer was in Halo: The Fall of Reach, Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, Halo: The Cole Protocol, The Impossible Life and the Possible Death of Preston J. Cole, and if you count it, Halo Legends. Captain Keyes destroyed one using the Keyes Loop at the battle of Sigma Octanus IV. It wasn't just in Halo Wars.
And it's not that I don't like what you're doing, I'm just trying to understand the basis of what you're doing and so far I am gathering lots of information.
Yes but again, tonnage refers to internal volume and not mass. It's not just the assumption that the cruisers get heavier when they get longer/larger, we can open the ship meshes in a modeling program and find out exactly how much volume each one occupies which allows us to scale them accordingly.
Also, we're going to add A Covenant destroyer, just not the one featured in Halo Wars.
Alright, sounds good. I can't wait to see the modeled Destroyer.
Awww. Too bad. Would have loved to see the Spirit of Fire.
im sorry :( i think i said somthin about the halo destroyer....take it as i hadnt got to this one yet :S
Wait isn't the assault carrier like three miles long? And the smac, isn't it larger than a cruiser? This scale confuses me. I thought most covie ships were several times the size of their human counterparts...
Fortunately we provided our explanation in the update, before you asked this question.
I read the description, I'm just saying it goes against my preconcieved notions.
Basing Keyship measurements off of screenshots from Halo 3 is pointless because you don't know the depth perception of the CCS-class Battlecruisers in relationship to the Keyship.
But with no specific length to go with, it is hard to get a good measurement of the size of the ship.
Well, since the CCS cruisers are revolving around the Keyship, we figure averaging out the lengths of the two ships at the near and far sides would give us a rough approximation.
Here's another view:
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Even if we can't get exact measurements, we can probably assume it's not 14km tall.
You may as well listen to the people, going by eye/game models isn't really an excuse when you have the measurements right there in the books.
Listen to the people in regards to what ship?
I think ViperVenom is talking about the Halcyon and the Marathon.
Ah, well, in the books, it mentions that the Marathon is triple the tonnage of the Halcyon, while the eye/ingame measurements and the corresponding Halo: Encyclopedia entry place them at nearly the same size, with the Marathon being slightly smaller in size then the Halcyon, so I suppose that makes sense. I was just confused when he said "listen to the people" because as far as I knew, I was the only one that thought the TFOR measurement was the only reasonable one.
Sorry to bring this up again but I did some more research on the Marathon. It is labeled in the Halo Encyclopedia as being 1,190 meters long while having more tonnage than the Halcyon because of it's thick Titanium-A layer. The Marathon has way more armor plating than the Halcyon.
The halcyon/marathon issue is an error that needs to be retconned, but they're too busy retconning the actual good stuff.
The problem stems from the fact the Marathon in Halo 2 wasn't meant to be the Marathon, it was meant to be an updated Halcyon, as well as the length issue which was badly addressed. The marathon is slightly longer, but due to it's design it's not got as much width or height as the Halcyon. In this scenario, the Halcyon would be far heavier not only just because of the size, but because the Halcyon is basically a giant block of honey-comb titanium A girders, which would be far, far heavier than any externally mounted plates of titanium on the Marathon.
RL's compromise is sensible, bungie should have come to the same conclusion a while ago instead of letting it go unaddressed for so long.
What are the two bottom things next to that gas mine? Beneath the MAC platform and the Forerunner Dreadnought.
The Forerunner Sentinel wall seen in Halo 2, and the aircraft carrier seen in the Halo 3 Mythic map 'Longshore'.
could he not make it the size he wants. since, you know, it is his mod.
if you dont like it you can make your own :]
i think making making the marathon bigger stops the 2 ships from looking overly similar
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Theres a scale from halo wiki
This might help.
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Zlinger, please read the image description.