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God didn't give free will to the people. No one has free will, wether because our minds are playthings of our bodies, we are living in a dictatorship or state with corrupt media or are single inviduums in a collective of billions. Besides, how do you know for certain your all-powerful God doesn't make you THINK you have free will when you actually don't? I mean, he is all powerful; it wouldn't be impossible for him/her, would it?
And how do you know the bible is the true script about the battle? God made the world and Satan tries to destroy it. That's, when we come down to it, is what the bible says. It's kind of a one-sided deal to me, how do we know it's the truth? It could be faked to make God stand in a better light than the truth is. Also, if God cannot destroy Satan forever, doesn't that mean that Satan is just as powerful as God?
God can and will destroy Satan forever. Read the book of Revelation. Satan will be cast into the "abyss" which represents non-existence. Therefore he will be obliterated. In the mean time God gives everyone the time and opportunity to repent for their sins and be saved from the lake of fire and/or the abyss. Satan has no power of his own except for what God allows him to do and what you invite him to do in your own life.
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"Satan has no power of his own except for what God allows him [...]"
Ahem. If I was you I would rethink about praying to a deity that allows his/her enemy ANY power.
No fighting, I am going to delete this conversation if you don't stop!
SorataZ quit calling yuri crazy. and yuri please be nice, I know you have trouble with it but I know you can you don't have to take every thing personally. yuri you should not have brung up the thing about your mother, it makes things to personal and then people start insulting each other and then people get offended.
if you want to keep talking go ahead but I will not tolerate insulting.
we want constructive debate here and i would appreciate it if it stayed to that.
I brought up what I did because that what witnesses do. We give account of how and why we believe what we do and I was providing the evidence that God in fact exists. Oh well, pretty much everyone saw it anyhow by now and I'm glad that little but is over. I know I resorted to sarcasm to deflect the insults but it was getting to the point where I was ready to go off.
...and now it gone! I love being an admin. Thank you GarynDakari,lets try to keep this dissussion on track shall we?
On the subject of why God created everything knowing full well what would happen... Think of everything as a means to an end and we have to live with OUR mistakes that WE (not God) made. Despite that, He is willing to forgive us and offer salvation. Now, the reason he made us was to bring glory to Himself and He desires OUR fellowship with Him. He wanted to create us for the same reason He created angels and everything He created in Heaven before us. He didn't want to be alone and wanted something to share His lovingkindness with. In the end all evil will be destroyed and we will finally have that fellowship for all eternity. Even though He knew we would disobey Him He made us and gave us free will because He wanted to and believed that we should have the chance to live and make our choices no matter what they are. He wants us to come back to Him and it is the job of us believers to bring as many people back as we can. The suffering and damnation experienced every day is OUR own fault and the result of OUR bad choices and we have to deal with the consequences in life and in death. If you accept His offer, well then thats great. If not, then you have to live with the consequences of your actions and there is a price to be paid. We are merely messengers. Its up to YOU.
I love how most atheists comments have 0 karma, while most pro-god comments have +3-. So begins the karma war. ;)
Simple answer? Destiny. Fate and free-will. Can God see into the future? Yes but we have different destinies and God sees them but he leaves it to us to make the choice of which one to take. We are responsible for our own suffering and fortune.
Either way, this argument doesn't disprove the LORD in any way. Adam and Eve had multiple destinies and fate. They took the wrong one. God simply sits and watches as events unfold and sometimes when things get dire...he may guide.
Birds leave the nests. The mother raises them and lets them go. Likewise, God is our father and he has raised us but now he has let us go. He wouldn't be a very good father if he held our hand. We must learn from our own mistakes.
Further more, just because God can see into the future, doesn't mean he chooses too.
You got it all wrong dude this is a fact but the conclusions are wrong God gave us free will and we can do whatever we want God doens't know what exactly is going to happen but He do know what will be the consequences of our actions We have free will!!