Aircraft Capabilities Thread - Vector Thrust

For those who think some planes are too poor/too good.

Allow me to start off:

-Buff the hell out of the A-10, please. I don't need it at even F-16 levels of good, but, at least twice (or more) of it's maneuverability would do.
-And, by extension, the Su-25. That thing also sucks, just a bit less so.

I'm serious, these are not flying bricks. We have one of our own.

-HARPY has an afterburner no? Make it good, please. Mach 1, it should surely reach, right?
-Same with F-16SCAMP2. Uh, WHY DOES THAT THING'S A/B DETRACT FROM IT'S SPEED. SURELY IT'S NOT A RETROROCKET RIGHT?
-Tone the stealth back on the Su-47DM and MF. I don't mean make them nonstealth at all, but seriously. Does the DM look like the kind of plane I'd be constantly trying to get behind to gun it without any pipper assistance? No? Then it shouldn't be. Nor should it be so bloody good at AoA:BL.

You suggest some more.

Lampryidae series only have 8km service ceiling.

Like...seriously?

I don't know how high it was supposed to fly, but the 3/4 scale aircraft with the bubble canopy was wind tunnel tested with a person in it to 220 km/h.

Here's some interesting resources on it:

Hitechweb.genezis.eu

F-104.de

Edited by: Raptor_101

Draken can cobra

Youtube.com
2:00 in

BUFF DRAKEN RAWR

it's not actually a cobra but still

Edited by: szboudreau01

Holy shit. It looks like we really, really should have a buffed turn rate on the Draken.

God damn.

szboudreau01 wrote: Draken can cobra

Wasn't it supposed to be quite maneuverable at low speed?

The Draken's maneuverability should definitely be improved.

I'm not sure if the stat is reflected with the plane's actual performance, (if it is, ignore this) but I think the Mig-29 should be more maneuverable as well.

I mean, we don't really need the Draken's overall pitch rate to be buffed, just for AoA to be snappy-er (the ability to go high alpha and then flip back due to aerodynamic forces).

Though AoA is super fun, its current implementation makes something like the Draken cobra (as seen) impossible, unless we just straight up improve the Draken's maneuverability, which would have other implications down the line.

This is true, but unfortunately, improving AoA kind of goes hand-in-hand with fixing some other issues in my opinion that we've discussed elsewhere that I kind of think are nice, but not possible.

The Draken's not even actually cobra-ing. It sorta tried to cobra for a half second or so, but shortly after it straightens out, gaining a fair bit if altitude.

It's not a practical IRL dogfighting maneuver to do in a Draken, but it's an arcade game. Cut it a little slack.

Personally, if the flight model were a bit more advanced (and really a reasonable flight model), AOA Limited Draken should be able to drift a tiny bit before it straightens out. AOA Unlimited Draken should drift a HELL of a lot before an absolutely UNREASONABLE amount of Gs makes it go straight vertical. Already you can do that, but you have to accelerate for it.

In fact.. that should be the FM for everything. too late now i guess

...honestly, that's what a cobra is, unless I'm mistaken. I didn't think it was a requirement that the aircraft remain standing on its tail for very long.

From what I could tell, the basic point to a cobra is to remove whatever speed (read: energy) you have without changing altitude too much.

The Drakens were basically doing hard pullups.

So, yeah.

The maneuver the Drakens do is pretty much the same in concept though and execution though. They don't really seem to gain much altitude from it (seems less than 100m in some of them?) For all intents and purposes, it accomplishes a similar task with very nearly the same maneuver.

Would love to be able to just dump a whole bunch of airspeed in one go like that though...

..I suppose you're correct there.

Anyway.

From what I found, in VT, there's literally no difference in drag if you do a Cobra, or just slam the airbrakes.
Heck, doing a cobra's worse. It means you can't aim at your enemy when they pass by.

Well, yeah. The game fly's like a car game drives.

Pretty much, yeah..

For some reason I think the F-16C has insane amount of roll rate for its size since the second to last patch.

Eh. From what I understand, the F-16 should be rolling like ass anytime you hit the rudder.

Well, it would indeed be; it's not quite as bad as the MiG-21, but it should still be pretty notable.

Insane roll rate? How fast, barely half a second to roll?

szboudreau01 wrote:
Insane roll rate? How fast, barely half a second to roll?

190-ish roll rate means it should rolls as fast as my ACX/JA Fenrir mod (!) but not as responsive

Edited by: Nergal01

Should probably give it a more apparent roll when applying rudder and cut the current roll a bit, that way could use your rudder to roll like you currently can, but if you're not it's not so insane.

Dat skill ceiling.

Edited by: Boogie_Van