UT99 For PSP Thread

i Love the origonal UT game and the origonal Unreal and i have allways wanted to play it on the psp
Could We???
The specs are allright
PSP Specs

• CPU: PSP CPU (System clock frequency 1~333MHz)
• Main Memory: 32MB
• Embedded DRAM: 4MB

UT requirements (Minimum)

• CPU: 200 MHz
• RAM: 32MB
• Disk Space: 605MB

So the requirements arent very stable but i know i have been able to crank down a game to play on a really low system
and who needs great graphics when there gonna be wasted on a tiny screen

Theres one downfall to this idea the unreal engine would be very hard to port to the psp
it would be awsome so could anyone do it???

I've seen people run FF7 on the PSP. UT99 doesn't really use that much to run. Heck, I ran it fine on my ancient Windows 95.

alot of the time they say the minimum but its not i know some one who got ut2004 working below a 730MHz processor

kinda hard to port it without the source code

I swear I've seen you post this several times elsewhere?

ambershee wrote: I swear I've seen you post this several times elsewhere?

no i havnt really been active up till a couple of months ago and this is definitly the first time that ive posted this up

i think i only have like 3 threads ive ever made

frosty-theaussie wrote: kinda hard to port it without the source code

did epic games ever realease a source engine???

Shadow-Marine wrote:

ambershee wrote: I swear I've seen you post this several times elsewhere?

no i havnt really been active up till a couple of months ago and this is definitly the first time that ive posted this up

i think i only have like 3 threads ive ever made

frosty-theaussie wrote: kinda hard to port it without the source code

did epic games ever realease a source engine???

you mean source code to the engine :p
and no they didn't they only released the uscript source to the game

Shadow-Marine wrote: i know some one who got ut2004 working below a 730MHz processor

UT2004 can "work" on a 233MHz Pentium II, doesn't necessarily mean it'll be playable, unless you have a Geforce2 or Radeon9x00 in there.

The 'ports' of games you see for PSP i.e. halo psp are practically bootleg demakes on other engines.

Also the PSP uses a different CPU architecture so the cycles-per-clock on the frequency is not matching with the x86 processors you are familiar with.

Edited by: leilei

I'm still baffled as to how you'd control the game with so few buttons.

Neither solitude nor Halo have multiple fire modes, and complex movement, nor a heavy reliance on z-axis gameplay. How on earth are you supposed to, as an example, use the rocket launcher, when it can a) fire normally, b) load and fire up to three rockets in a broad arc, c) load and fire up to three rockets in a spiral, or d) load and fire up to three grenades? I also dread to think how you're supposed to deal with things like shock combos.

Won't you need one of those other buttons for jumping?

Also, speaking of jumping, good luck making hammer/rocket jumping work elegantly without a mouse, although that's not unique to trying to do it on a PSP. It sucks on fullsize consoles too.

You also need to crouch, switch weapons, dodge. Six buttons isn't enough

Well, for starters, you'd have to drop the ability to look up and down. You'd have to have one button to annoyingly cycle through all the weapons (I have the sniper rifle, but now I want the rocket launcher - tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap). Now that you can't look up and down, you'd have to remove weapons with lobbed projectiles, since they can no longer be controlled (Biogun, Flak Cannon, Rocket Grenades). You'd have to remove dodging.

For all it's worth, you might as well just make a new shooter, because it won't port well, and you'd have to write it from scratch anyway.

Sigma wrote:

Shadow-Marine wrote:

ambershee wrote: I swear I've seen you post this several times elsewhere?

no i havnt really been active up till a couple of months ago and this is definitly the first time that ive posted this up

i think i only have like 3 threads ive ever made

frosty-theaussie wrote: kinda hard to port it without the source code

did epic games ever realease a source engine???

you mean source code to the engine :p
and no they didn't they only released the uscript source to the game

woops to much half life 2 lol

DeathCaller wrote: I'd say read up on Solitude, or ask them to tell you how they are doing it. I think they are using a quake engine that has been ported to the psp.
So you could also try to recreate UT99 from the ground up and use that quake engine to build UT99 on a psp. But you should not call it unreal tournament for legal issues.

i have been folowing them they have been using the quake z engine (looks awsome by the way) this is where i got the thought

ambershee wrote: Well, for starters, you'd have to drop the ability to look up and down. You'd have to have one button to annoyingly cycle through all the weapons (I have the sniper rifle, but now I want the rocket launcher - tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap). Now that you can't look up and down, you'd have to remove weapons with lobbed projectiles, since they can no longer be controlled (Biogun, Flak Cannon, Rocket Grenades). You'd have to remove dodging.

For all it's worth, you might as well just make a new shooter, because it won't port well, and you'd have to write it from scratch anyway.

youve never played coded arms have you or even quake on the psp
i am pretty damn fast in quake on the psp (dosent beat pc though)
remember just a thought not a project

DeathCaller wrote: Yes most likely it wont port just like that. But in any case, it is possible and that was the question. There is no point in creating a new game, he is not interested in a new game.

He wants something like UT99 on the psp. If he wants to try it, although it most likely would fail because by taking out features it won't feel like UT, then I say go for it.

My initial keymapping would be
- left and right arrow keys: switch weapons
- down arrow key: jump (?)
- analog stick: rotate view
- left upper corner tab: move forward
- right upper corner tab: move backwards
- left + right upper corner tab: jump (?)
- x button fire weapon
- o button fire alternate

this leaves out square, triangle and up arrow key.

Although it might not make sense to you, and perhaps this mapping sucks because I can't test it out, it does not matter. The point is that is it possible, most probably with restrictions.

Creating a new game would be a better solution indeed.

yeah your right cant have ut without trick jumping or faster pace
just a thought not a project

DeathCaller wrote:
So you could also try to recreate UT99 from the ground up and use that quake engine to build UT99 on a psp. But you should not call it unreal tournament for legal issues.

no, likenesses are copyright issues as well. You can't directly rip off UT99 down to the art and sound and call it REAL CHAMPIONS or so. Duplicating copyrighted assets is a nono at any cost, plus does it really hurt to be original? (See: OpenArena, where the game code is pretty much Q3 as provided in the GPL source package, but everything else is made from scratch and also under GPL, over loosely inspired but non-derivative designs)

And yes, i am aware of Solitude, and yes, Quake is capable of Unreal-like gameplay with secondary triggers, though the dodging thing would be hard to do, as well as crouching (having to modify BSP for a different hull size for the crouched player).
Controlling wouldn't be feasible on a handheld. FPS on handhelds is like s&m without the pleasure.

Edited by: leilei

But why? What would be the point to take the big risk in copyright infringement? Showing it off in ghettos and schools YO I GOT UT ON MY PSP I AM COOO*PUNCH IN FACE* YOU DORK you need to get JUICED really there is no point to showcase the copy and paste abilities

Edited by: leilei

leilei wrote: But why? What would be the point to take the big risk in copyright infringement? Showing it off in ghettos and schools YO I GOT UT ON MY PSP I AM COOO*PUNCH IN FACE* YOU DORK you need to get JUICED really there is no point to showcase the copy and paste abilities

now who said i actually wanted to do this
i was asking if it was possible because then i could get into coding and porting and find out what the PSP's bounders are
i never said i could run or if i even wanted it to run
im more of a quake person and almost evryone in my whole school dosent no what ut or quake is
who give you the right to come into MY thread and make a fight out of the whole idea and going off topic

The idea of UT1999 on a PSP is very plausible, especially since it's possible to run firmware on the PSP to use your PSP screen as a monitor for your PC... However you require your PSP to be linked up to a USB port on the PC via cable...

I would first off start by using the Quake engine and heavily modifying it to be more like the Unreal engine, after that, you'll want to get the key-map down, which'll be hard, but I believe the PSP has a <^> pad on it too?(Anyone get what Im saying), if you triple tap on one of them you dodge to the direction specified...

After that you'll want to crouch, again, this can be done by that keypad I mentioned... Just using the down arrow(?), I believe Call-Of-Duty 4/WaW on the Nintendo DS had this, so it may be possible to detect the double/triple tap of the arrows in the source code...

Also the best thing about using the Quake Engine is that ID-TECH3 is currently free for indie's to use(Atleast that's what wikipedia says!)
En.wikipedia.org

The idea seems simple and can be exucuted perfectly, aslong as the team(if any) manage to follow some simple rules that are not optional when doing indie game dev...

See more about retaing a great indie team @ Devstorm.phpbbnew.com

Matuka628 wrote: The idea of UT1999 on a PSP is very plausible, especially since it's possible to run firmware on the PSP to use your PSP screen as a monitor for your PC... However you require your PSP to be linked up to a USB port on the PC via cable...

I would first off start by using the Quake engine and heavily modifying it to be more like the Unreal engine, after that, you'll want to get the key-map down, which'll be hard, but I believe the PSP has a <^> pad on it too?(Anyone get what Im saying), if you triple tap on one of them you dodge to the direction specified...

After that you'll want to crouch, again, this can be done by that keypad I mentioned... Just using the down arrow(?), I believe Call-Of-Duty 4/WaW on the Nintendo DS had this, so it may be possible to detect the double/triple tap of the arrows in the source code...

Also the best thing about using the Quake Engine is that ID-TECH3 is currently free for indie's to use(Atleast that's what wikipedia says!)
En.wikipedia.org

The idea seems simple and can be exucuted perfectly, aslong as the team(if any) manage to follow some simple rules that are not optional when doing indie game dev...

See more about retaing a great indie team @ Devstorm.phpbbnew.com

i have used the psp as a second monitor before and the refresh rate when running a program on the screen sucked (any way it wouldn't be the psp running the game it would be the PC)

but yeah a modified quake engine would be good but im no coder and im to busy to find or keep a team together anyways
just a thought but thnx

(oh yeah and heres a link to a mod where you can use the psp as a monitor over WiFi as well as USB : Instructables.com

Shadow-Marine wrote: i was asking if it was possible

It's not.

The closest you'd get is making an interpreter for the assets. But that takes a little more time than posting on a forum.

once again i never said i was going to actually make this i said it was just a thought
but thank you anyway

I find FPS's to work nicely on the PSP. You just need to use the right controls.
A good control scheme (used in most PSP FPS's) would be move/strafe with the face buttons, aim with the analog, fire with R, secondary fire/switch fire mode with L, and the D-pad is used for more complex things, ex: down=crouch, up=jump, left=reload, hold left=flashlight (or another special function), right=last weapon used, hold right=show all weapons and go to the next weapon with R and previous weapon with L (while holding), select = use (or another special function). And then you could hold up/down on the D-pad for even more controls.