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 40%

A very bad idea (1186 votes)

 23%

Quality mod developers deserve money for what they do (674 votes)

 26%

No mods for money, developers should go game dev & commercial instead (763 votes)

 8%

If mod quality is to be improved because of it... (251 votes)

 4%

Doesn't matter if they are free or paid, would play them anyway (116 votes)

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Flash112
Flash112 Aug 22 2011, 7:06am says:

I chose the third one, if modders are really that skillful, i think they should then make a game :)

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Reborn:X
Reborn:X Aug 22 2011, 7:25am buried:

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But not everyone has the funds needed to licence a game engine.

Not mentioning the need to find a publisher & the need to make MANY DVD's if selling the game by retail.

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TheWanaB
TheWanaB Aug 22 2011, 8:47am replied:

With the license agreements of Cryengine and UDK that argument is near void; the costs are so slight and the benefits so great anyone, with enough talent, could make a commercially viable game using those tools.

Not to mention very few indie games get put into retail stores; the great thing about digital distribution is that you don't require a publisher, you can sell through a middle-man [Steam], or directly to the consumer via your own website.

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Garyn Dakari
Garyn Dakari Aug 22 2011, 2:59pm replied:

Agreed. I chose the third one. Mods should always be free, whereas indie games you have an option.

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TheUnabridgedGamer
TheUnabridgedGamer Aug 24 2011, 9:24am replied:

As well as I voted.

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altercuca
altercuca Aug 22 2011, 5:34pm replied:

I totally agree with you logic. That's how it is and that's how I want it to stay. So third one for me too.

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Tatsur0
Tatsur0 Aug 23 2011, 3:14am replied:

I agree with 3rd as well but have always appreciated those who tell me they'd buy one of my mods if it were on sale. While there are a few exceptions due to extreme changes in development I find it in bad taste to sell a mod. Course in some cases mods can be used as a demo/vertical slice to test the waters before moving forward.

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master_oli-p
master_oli-p Aug 23 2011, 7:22am replied:

3rd option for me too, mods should always be free, that's just their nature. Indies are okay as long as the price is reasonable and the quality is good. Projects like the humble indie bundle are a particularly good idea.

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Herr_Alien
Herr_Alien Aug 25 2011, 12:16am replied:

"Quality mod developers deserve money for what they do"
One of the reasons I chose this option is because of paid DLC. I simply don't like this double standard: one party can sell what I find essentially being mods, while the others are not allowed.

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Washeek
Washeek Aug 28 2011, 8:23am replied:

Well don't support DLCs then... I think that's a better way of solving this. Mods are great as they are, why? Cause they are not burdened by marketing. People can do a hell lot of crazy stuff for a very small portion of the public...

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Attila1945
Attila1945 Aug 25 2011, 5:12am replied:

There are a lot of open source and freeware engines on the net, so this can't be a problem ever. The problem is to find the most suitable for the project.

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TheNodCommander
TheNodCommander Aug 22 2011, 7:25am says:

A mod should be free. Indie games is another story.

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[$#!T-Happens]
[$#!T-Happens] Aug 22 2011, 7:26am says:

I reckon that if they're really good at what they're doing and its a really good mod... they've done the work, they should be able to get something for it

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The_Federation
The_Federation Aug 24 2011, 5:02am replied:

I agree with this No.2 for me, if a developer puts a hell of a lot of time and effort and the turn out if awsome they deserve something more than just thanks and a pat on the back... real high quality mods take many months/years to make

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Commando-Chan
Commando-Chan Aug 22 2011, 7:52am says:

Very bad judging fom past experience. When a mod gets a price sticker, it's thrown in to the same basket as all the standalone and big-company titles. Just look at Dino D-Day, had it been a free download that anyone could play, people would call it great, but since it must be bought, it's gained an immediate reputation as a below average quality game. Just look at the metacritic rating.

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Sev-RC-
Sev-RC- Aug 24 2011, 7:50am replied:

I played dino d day when it was free to play for a day. IT FAILED.

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INtense!
INtense! Aug 22 2011, 8:06am says:

It is a very controversial question this one, good topic feillyne!

I kinda felt like agreeing to virtually all of the options. it's bad but if it helps then its good, but should they just make an indie game?

Mods however have always been free (with a few exceptions) and that is how I believe they should remain.

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Tatsur0
Tatsur0 Aug 25 2011, 3:47am replied:

Yeah I grew up knowing mods were free and creating free mods. That's what it was about and the freedom behind it was great. Going indie you can take a lot of what you learned from both the industry and modding and have yourself a happy medium but in the end mods should stay free imho.

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Kamikazi[Uk]
Kamikazi[Uk] Aug 22 2011, 8:06am says:

I have mixed feelings about this. If the mod is really that good i think yah sure they deserve to sell it, but if they are that good they will be able to make it into a indie game most of the time.

Mods are supposed to be free though as they are mods they arn't games written from scratch (most of time) and the majority arn't that high quality.

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Joe_Shmoe
Joe_Shmoe Aug 22 2011, 8:07am says:

So far agree with everything... Paying for mods? Thats just down right wrong... On the other hand, total conversion mods with its own custom content, well why not just go commercial then if you put that much effort into it? makes sense, so go for it, with UDK, CE3, IDTECH4 and other SDK coming out geared towards independent devs, there arent really much room for excuses.

But mods, should always remain free, especially since modding support on any games influences the value of the game driving me to buy it. What would be the point to buy a game, and then buy the mod too? greedness is a killer -sigh-

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Tanshaydar
Tanshaydar Aug 22 2011, 8:22am replied:

I liked how you made it sound very easy to go indie. *Click click done*

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Joe_Shmoe
Joe_Shmoe Aug 22 2011, 8:43am replied:

I dont imply at all that it is easy to go indie, just simply put, if you want to charge for your content, go through the right channels which is indie.

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Mr.John
Mr.John Aug 22 2011, 8:32am says:

Want money for mods, do what others do. Donations. They like, they give. Mods should be Free-to-play.

+19 votes     reply to comment
Addi_B
Addi_B Aug 22 2011, 8:40am says:

Mods should be free, indies should/can be payed. I think it's simple as this. Donations for mods are possible of course. :)

+7 votes     reply to comment
ApornasPlanet
ApornasPlanet Aug 22 2011, 8:43am says:

a very bad idea

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l0p
l0p Aug 22 2011, 9:12am says:

I think if the mod is absolutely f'in amazing, like as big as a game and full of detail and stuff then i think the developers should atleast get some money out of making that...or people could just donate to them if they feel as though they should :)

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playmsbk
playmsbk Aug 22 2011, 9:17am says:

Mods should not be sold. However, they should have some way for fans to donate money to the dev team.

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]BlackPhoenix[
]BlackPhoenix[ Aug 22 2011, 9:18am says:

Mods should only go retail if they are worth it.
Because somehow i think that the Mod Makers arent rewarded for anything.
All they get is a bunch of criticism.
And wheres the return for all the hard time ?
After some weeks nobody will even remember that.

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moci
moci Aug 22 2011, 10:26am replied:

Most mod makers don't need a reward. The few that are worth it will get rewarded plenty: get hired or have the support to go commercial for the next project.

Slowly but surely a mod is just an easier way to promote the eventual commercial version. mods are becoming crippleware.

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megavin123
megavin123 Aug 22 2011, 10:16am says:

I don't need money for Earth at war (My mod). I make mods for fun and not for profit

+11 votes     reply to comment
MrTaxikiller
MrTaxikiller Aug 22 2011, 1:35pm replied:

I second that I do make mods for fun not for money.

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moci
moci Aug 22 2011, 10:19am says:

If you are planning on charging for a mod, I think you need to download one of the many free/almost free game creation tools and just be clear about the intentions - making money.

Adding some donation option somewhere is nice for those that want to support the effort. But you should never explicitly charge for it.

I you can not support your own "modding" in your spare time, that's your problem.

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Joe_Shmoe
Joe_Shmoe Aug 22 2011, 10:42am replied:

Donations are fair, but many mods end up dying... what happens if you donated for something you never see the light of day? Get your money back?

Unless of course it is a reputable team that you know for sure will deliver and has a track record to back them up, otherwise its seems a bit dodgy to donate towards a team/mod that risks ending up in a ditch dead.

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Joe_Shmoe
Joe_Shmoe Aug 22 2011, 10:52am replied:

Hell I think I might have uncovered a possible scam here =| anyone else make sense of this as a possible way to scam?

DO NOT donate towards teams you never heard of, or have no track record... Save your money for end products instead.

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0n1n3
0n1n3 Aug 22 2011, 12:07pm replied:

Well it would help to have categories of In Development and Released so people know what they are paying for. I think most people would sort the categories by Released when they are going to get something.

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0n1n3
0n1n3 Aug 22 2011, 11:21am says:

If the mod does it's own advertising, has a website, digital distro, etc, then I don't have a problem with it personally. But modding is a hobby and not a market, if P2P mods start being shelved on the developer forum next to free mods then I would probably stop going there and just play vanilla. I think #1 It is a very bad idea because some people like me will just play the game vanilla and then all mods both free and P2P will suffer, and some people see free mods and tools to be a big reason to buy the game in the first place (Fallout, TES, HL2, DAO, RPG Maker, GameMaker, etc) and it might not be a lot but the developer will lose sales at least a little bit. But if you aren't getting many sales in the first place then even a few sales might seem like a lot. If modders want to make money then they should just make their own game, there are a lot of tools on the net like other people have said. However if modders want to make money from their mod then they can accept donations like firefox addon developers do.

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0n1n3
0n1n3 Aug 22 2011, 11:30am replied:

And please don't charge money for a retex job that anyone with photoshop can do and is only worth 10 cents.

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TotalSnappy
TotalSnappy Aug 22 2011, 11:55am says:

There are a fair few comments on the donation front, I agree with that but only after a mod has been fully released and played. Like Joe_Shmoe said, the city of mods has the largest graveyard in the world.

Either way it's a grey area.

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Commander_RealWar
Commander_RealWar Aug 23 2011, 12:20pm replied:

I agree Sighnapse, I'd love to donate to Synergy!!!

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JoshZemlinsky
JoshZemlinsky Aug 22 2011, 12:57pm says:

Once you pay for it, its not a "Mod" anymore. Or is it? I don't know for a fact. Im not sure, i dont wanna pay for a mod tbh.

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{zXc}Henry
{zXc}Henry Aug 22 2011, 1:04pm says:

if they have license from the game creator,why not?

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norton2
norton2 Aug 22 2011, 2:12pm says:

A very bad idea, but hey, thats just me.

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MrTacticalTeabag
MrTacticalTeabag Aug 22 2011, 2:56pm says:

Not many here have thought about the original developer. Mods are just that, modifications of a game already developed by a studio. Start charging for them and you're making money off of the game it is dependent on which i just don't think is right. Theres also the point that the consumer has already purchased the base game so the mod could be classed as (in my opinion) DLC but without full support as it sometimes has to catch-up when the base game gets an update.

Taking donations i believe is perfectly fine but if you want to make a mod pay2play then it should be made a stand-alone title to ensure value and support. That is why i choose option 3.

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JoetheGrim
JoetheGrim Aug 22 2011, 3:14pm says:

An excellent mod developer doesn't deserve money, he deserves a job oportunity with a paycheck, a team and people to sell games to...

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Irespawnoften
Irespawnoften Aug 22 2011, 3:17pm says:

Chose bad idea. That said, I do think they should get something, donations and the like. If a mod starts asking you to pay for it, it stops being a mod and becomes a game in my book. Plus, I don't think I've ever seen a good transition from mod to game, see Dear Esther...

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romanius24
romanius24 Aug 22 2011, 3:50pm says:

donations would be a better idea..

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GeneralG
GeneralG Aug 22 2011, 4:48pm says:

I always thought people made mods for fun?

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Nawwx
Nawwx Aug 22 2011, 7:18pm says:

C

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mangomango999
mangomango999 Aug 22 2011, 9:36pm says:

I would hope anyone who puts this much effort into something they love could also make some cash from it. The donations may be the way to go. I have donated to DanMan for Sacrifice of Angels and Star Wars Requiem. I will donate to Future Wars Tactical Simulator if they have it available.

When you have to take care of kids and then your "real job" and your "real life" it helps legitimize all the time you spend on it.

What about helping to pay for better graphics cards, etc... It just seems that if you really enjoy playing a mod and you got $10 bucks you can spare then it's the right thing to do.

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PurpleGaga27
PurpleGaga27 Aug 23 2011, 2:54am says:

It's a bad idea because mods are supposed to be free. If it were not free, the lowest buy I could accept from a minor indie game is $5.

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