Report poll Mods using others' intellectual property (without permission)

Poll started by feillyne with 2,151 votes and 78 comments. Browse the poll archive.

 26%

Are simply illegal (558 votes)

 27%

Can popularise franchise (586 votes)

 3%

Bring profit loss and are harmful overall (61 votes)

 12%

Can benefit fans of franchise if they keep a low profile (255 votes)

 28%

Should be legally licensed or officially permitted to continue (592 votes)

 5%

Should have somebody else's IP replaced with their own (99 votes)

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Twitwi
Twitwi Sep 6 2011, 4:40pm says:

Define OTHERS, then define PROPERTY.
I think it comes down to what you are doing.
If you are making a pokemon mod for (an example) half life, you should be alowed to.
If you are making are taking music from artists without permission (as the title states) then its a no go.

If you are copying from other mods (I mean like taking their models without their premission), I think that is the real question.

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grindkerensky
grindkerensky Sep 6 2011, 7:41pm says:

if you put something on the internet you should get over the petty "this is mine you cant use it" ideology. especially, if you create content for a (FREE) mod for a game. if others use your stuff be glad they did, because they obviously liked your work.

of course its better when ppl give credit to the creator of the content they used.

when i create stuff its always free to use.

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Kaplan.994
Kaplan.994 Sep 6 2011, 7:57pm says:

It depends from person to person.
Me and a lot of other modders are ok with someone taking our work,BUT he needs to credit the individuals that worked on it.
As for others,they want you to ask for permission,and then credit them for using their stuff.
Also there are people who won't give his\her work to another moddder,cause they just don't think it is OK if somebody just comes and uses their work.

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LR01
LR01 Sep 7 2011, 3:40am says:

It are just mods, which usually only have a fraction of players of what a game has. mods also require the game, so it's also free advertising for a game.
As said before, "stealing" IP isn't copying content.
Compared to things as piracy, IP infringement isn't even a big deal.

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TheillusiveMan
TheillusiveMan Sep 7 2011, 10:18am says:

Some companies such as Microsoft allow not only their IP's such as Halo to be used but also the content within those games. Of course there are strict rules as to what you can use this content for (no profits of course!) but games and mods are allowed.

Other companies such as valve I think would be fine you using their content as long as it is for a source mod. This is good business for them since source mods require an original source game to be bought.

So it really depends on who owns the content and how you are using it.

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Serygala
Serygala Sep 7 2011, 11:40am says:

I believe that people who voted for this: "Should be legally licensed or officially permitted to continue " don't really belong into the indie/modding scene. Its stealing after all.

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blinkin
blinkin Sep 8 2011, 10:06am replied:

mods are stolen content from the original game. You didnt create the source code or content. u simply bought a car and put a new paint job on it. I appreciate all the modders here but u all need to take a stick out of your, you know where. cause honestly its not like your making a living off this and selling it. its out for free. if you dont want it taken encrypt it. otherwise dont make it downloadable. but if you put it out for everyone enjoyment. u have to expect that for all the same reasons you modded in the first place.... someone else will mod for the same. The only wrong thing would be them taking complete credit for it. just say "this is a project developed with my own work and the work of previous releases."

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CommandoTotalGamer
CommandoTotalGamer Sep 8 2011, 12:29am says:

I voted it Can popularise franchise just look at Halo wars and the HaloGen mod as an example. the game Halo wars wasnt reviewed that well, and the game kinda of failed and backfired at microsoft.

The game also didnt sell well.

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stocko2k
stocko2k Sep 8 2011, 4:35am says:

unique assets all the way, if your gonna use somebody elses work get permission and if they dont give you permission tough

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mgs2
mgs2 Sep 8 2011, 8:27am says:

stealing mods is just stupid for me, unless the mod moderator does accept.

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blinkin
blinkin Sep 8 2011, 10:01am says:

In reality, the original maker shouldnt be offended they should be honored by someone taking their work even further then it was. like it was said multiple times, nobody is making money off it. Often times i find that these "illegal" mods everyone speaks of are simply a mod that has been rewritten to work on another platform or perhaps they are adding additional content from multiple games. Its not like they are stealing it. its more like personalizing it. If you dont want someone to "take" or "steal" your work dont make it downloadable. Oh and maybe i should mention THEY ARE "MODS" you didnt create the original game and u "stole" that games source code to mod. ANY mod has been for lack of a better word "stolen." In reality tho they are attempts to improve and advance games that have died and or were never made to their top potential. Stop being so fussy and say "thanks" cause the modder did a lot of work too on every level of the development. Finally, if you dont want your content taken, encrypt it. otherwise its gonna be fair game for most out there. Also try to notice that modding popularity for a game tends to lead to professional new releases of awesome games (cause they realize they are popular still) I.E. SoSE (sins) "rebellion"

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CrowV
CrowV Sep 8 2011, 10:37am says:

MODS are a great way to expand and bring any game to its true potential. Some game developers are lazy and simple and are only thinking of the money they can make, while someone with the talent to MOD the game and make it better can please many gamers worldwide. Besides if people are gonna moan because their product is being MODIFIED, then should either ensure security to protect their product or create a game that's soooo good that it would be an insult to MOD it. Lets not forget that there are some amazing MODS out there that either make it better or make a game more playable when you have already played it in its normal form.

Oh and lets not forget that if no-one likes MODS to happen, then stop creating the tools which allows us to do it, same applies to the music industry.

Keep up the good work, legalise MODS, there's talent out there and it needs to be recognised!!! PEACE!

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Sep 9 2011, 9:29pm replied:

I totally agree!! mods make games much more fun, even if the original is good, mods still add a twist to the game!

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Xshorty
Xshorty Sep 8 2011, 6:54pm says:

i agree with this one "Can benefit fans of franchise if they keep a low profile "

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Kimplin
Kimplin Sep 8 2011, 11:46pm says:

Mods strengthen games and brings popularity for sure and can also give good insight for game developers. I think its just as helpful to mod games as it is to place walkthroughs on youtube and demos for consoles and PCs. Its a definite positive and it can even increase sales. im all for it man.

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Tatsur0
Tatsur0 Sep 9 2011, 12:36am says:

Heh what about these companies ripping off mods?! ZPS had Eugene zombie used for advertising of Dead Rising 2 as well as a porno (both have since been pulled). We had a laugh at both but just thought it funny how the situation was flipped.

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[Q]uik
[Q]uik Sep 9 2011, 4:06pm says:

without permission is NEVER okay, never.

should need permission and credit should be given.

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[Q]uik
[Q]uik Sep 9 2011, 4:06pm says:

without permission is NEVER okay, never.

should need permission and credit should be given.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Sep 9 2011, 9:22pm says:

mods should be allowed to at least finish, even if they use someone's work without permission... as long as they give that person credit, that is.

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itchy01ca
itchy01ca Sep 9 2011, 11:51pm says:

It really depends on the IP you're using. If it's a universal IP like Star wars or Star trek or B5, yes, you should be able to use stuff from the show in your mod. But that's a TV show. Taking something from someone elses GAME, even if it's a huge game like halo, is just sketchy to me. One person may have created a "game" you are taking from. And of course ripping off ideas from the game itself is just plain stealing. Ripping off a model to use in a mod for a different game is something different. Don't confuse the two.

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madcat1030
madcat1030 Sep 10 2011, 12:12pm says:

I chose 2, but I'd also like to vote for 5, or to put in a separate option: As long as credit is given, and all materials are original, or open-source, it's fine.

It's one thing to make a copy of something using the original materials, it's another to build it from the ground up. Besides, I saw somebody make a very enlightening post about the difference between IP and Copyright. IP is generally loosely protected. As long as you don't profit off of their IP, it's fine. Copyright is a bit tighter, and you don't want to get involved with the infringement thereof. However, copyright law, in the US, at least, states two loopholes to copyright, and it's the holes comedy programs use every day. The use of copyrighted material is completely allowed in the cases of criticism and satire. I suppose some mods could wrap themselves through this loophole by calling their creation the penultimate criticism. They enjoyed *blah* so much, that they were inspired to make a mod to share it's awesomeness. After playing, it's quite possible that people never interested in *blah* would wind up enjoying *blah*. Everybody's happy.

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Cryrid
Cryrid Sep 10 2011, 2:10pm says:

My views are torn depending if we're talking about a series/story being used (like someone making a mod based on a comic/movie), or if you mean they are using someone's assets from another game/mod in their own project without the artist's permission.

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feillyne Creator
feillyne Sep 11 2011, 6:10pm replied:

gregfriis and others already pointed out what kind of IP was originally meant.

The two poll options "can popularise franchise" and "can benefit fans of franchise if they keep a low profile" hint at that meaning (media franchises).

In most cases, using someone's assets would be illegal unless they're released to the public by individual/company or released within a specific engine/game series. So copyrights are rather nothing to debate.

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feillyne Creator
feillyne Sep 14 2011, 5:06pm replied:

And yes, it is my fault. I failed to include a note that the poll is about universes (IPs such as Warhammer, LoTR, Megamen, Mario, etc.) instead of copyrights (assets) for the sake of clarity.

Sorry.

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri Sep 11 2011, 2:40am says:

Well as far as I see it building upon someone elses work while giving proper credits is the purest meaning if the term remix which believe it or not does not only apply to music but instead to all forms of art.

Besides if you don't want other people to use your creations then DON'T post them on the ******* internet which is with out a doubt is a public domain. Intellectual property really has no say in a global public domain and has no real way of enforcing it one way or the other.

All you can do is label it illegal but hey its the same as with drugs or alcohol back during prohibition IE just because you make it illegal dosent mean you are going to stop people from doing it. If anything its has the opposite effect.

As far as im concerned as long as you give proper credits to the original authors out of respect then its perfectly fine especially if you add to it or improve it.

I mean what artist in their right mind dosent want people to use their creations ? If people want to use you creations that means you have done a dam good job and should be proud of yourself and your work. And again if you don't want other people to use your art the DON'T ******* POST IT ON THE INTERNET >>

Oh and last but not least to all you moronic **** tard uninformed copyright whores out there .... SHOVE IT! SHOVE YOUR OWN EGOTISTICAL HYPOCRITICAL BS RIGHT BACK UP YOUR ARSE .... that is all for my 2 cent rant today I hope you enjoyed it.

IF you have anything to say then please comment in a constructive manner or PM me as there is no need to spam a flame war on here.

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Ice_Man_120
Ice_Man_120 Sep 11 2011, 5:56pm says:

I agree it should not be done. but if you are a beginner and have a crack at making a mod but you need to make models and textures and don't know how. sure you could learn but by the time you've learnt how to make a half descent model and then texture it, you've forgotten what the mod was even about. I've tried to learn how to model but for christ sake, how hard is it ? I tried for days to make a chair. Simple project, you would think but i wouldn't have sat on it. So if you cant model then how are we supposed to get things when some developers are too stuck up to release a model and/or texture ?

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri Sep 11 2011, 6:47pm replied:

This is so very true. We modelers, animators, and textures artists should make a public site or depository of prefabricated models texture and animation sets specifically for the use of modders. The site would keep the original credits to the original authors and we would provide a reliable resource for both amateur and professional mod creators alike.

I'm talking about a site that's more in depth and helpful than gamebanana formally known as fpsbanana IE we would no limit the majority of the materials to just weapon and player skins. We would make everything from maps, props, weapons, animation sets, textures, models, particles, & sound sets just to name a few. All for the sake of the modding community.

Also the main thing that would set us apart from sites like fpsbanana would be the fact that the site would be an open source site. IE anyone else can take someone elses work and improve upon it from simple re textures to changing the model it self and the site would automatically add the credits of the original authors when fill in he blank project is posted.

Also material from retail games could also be posted so long as they are modified and improved upon in some way since this would then fall into the classification free and fair usage as dictated by US copyright laws.

And don't get me wrong its not like we would tolerate ****** recolors or carbon copy files as that would be filtered out to ensure a quality data base of material for free and fair use in non profit mods.

Just my 2 cent idea but yea please comment if you have an opinion abut it. I'm curious to see if the modding community would like such a site to exist.

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shroomman
shroomman Sep 21 2011, 7:03am says:

Is just respectless!
But sometimes its hard to contact the people who created that resources.
But using without evan honoring the creator.... scum!!!

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