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We have removed the School Shooter mod from ModDB, read on for our explanation.

Posted by INtense! on Mar 19th, 2011

Allow me to begin this post by saying we believe in the freedom of speech, the right to share information and be creative. We have enjoyed watching mod developers push the boundaries for years and create amazing content, and shall always do this.

However, recently a mod on the site called School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 has been getting quite a bit of mainstream press due to the controversial nature of the content. It seems that people sit on two sides of the fence on this one. There are those that believe the makers of this mod should have the right to make whatever they want, while there are others that believe it is disgusting and crosses the line.

We sit on both sides, on one hand we find the content to be deliberately offensive and in poor taste, but on the other we also feel people should have the right to be creative and share what they want on a community / developer run site, and we shouldn't have the right to dictate what is/isn't allowed.

The challenge faced is we are currently receiving quite a bit of threatening mail as people believe we are the creators, supporters and makers of this content. I want to stress that this absolutely isn't the case. We have never encouraged or made any content, we disagree with the mod but at the same time believe in freedom of speech and the unique ability modders and indie developers should have to create games (good-or-bad) about topics, issues and events considered risky or taboo.

There is also quite a bit of confusion from non-gaming press, who state that games like this are the reason why all bad things occur, spreading misinformation and fear.  As a result of this confusion and hate, at the moment we feel the best course of action is to remove the mod. We don't want the hard work of thousands of other mod developers to be threatened by people misunderstanding this one mod/game, and assuming all others are like it.

Edit: We did contact the developers with no reply back in August 2010, chances are this would have ended differently if they had replied.

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KimJongLulz
KimJongLulz Mar 19 2011, 4:19pm says:

Sensitive pussies :3

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PIINPOIINT
PIINPOIINT Mar 19 2011, 4:22pm says:

I still like moddb

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Akujin
Akujin Mar 19 2011, 4:49pm says:

By removing the mod, you Acknowledge everything that's been thrown at you. I don't care if you don't like this or not, but you've proven to be idiots. If you haven't by now, go and see Daniel Floyd and his thoughts on gaming controversy. No matter how controversial it is, it is free, it can be rated mature, the opening sequence can be:

"This game/mod contains touchy subjects, graphic violence. If you've been sterilised/spoiled in your childhood or you're too delicate, delete this mod. It's free, nobody made you get this it! No re-enactments were made, everything here's fictional!", and the developers would significantly shield them selves from lawsuits. It's a free mod, it's not advertising, it's not enforced onto people. What's the big deal?

We've seen looots of mature rated movies who touch the subjects of mass murder, rape, incest, terrorism, genocide and other delicate subjects. Most of the movies win oscars, but when a game touches those topics, it's instantly attacked. Gamemakers are not toymakers. Mature people enjoy gaming experiences too, and a video game is the most ultimate experience! In books you read it, in movies you see it, but with video games, you read, see, listen, direct, you live that experience in a way, and I say bring on the most controversial games, I'll buy 'em and spread the word (But make a good plot and gameplay).

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 5:03pm replied:

When combined with these pieces of information:
There was essentialy only one or two assets created; everything else ripped off stock HL2 assets.
The creators didn't care about their own mod; didn't care enough to put their identities on the line.
Their reason for taking all threats and posting on their website

All of these points are indiciative that they were not pursuing this mod as a serious endeavor. It's intention was to get as famous as possible as quickly as possible wihtout any ties to the creators. If the project drew controversy; they wanted it to be bright as possible and take as much down with it.

The only problem is that ModDB got mixed up with this as an unwilling and unitentional target. Checkerboard made no clarifications in any inteveriews they posted, and were content with ModDB taking as much abuse as they were; ModDB wasn't.

ModDB doesn't have to host this mod; they shouldn't be even put in the position where they are defending a free mod for any reason. That is why they are walking away from it; they have no obligation.

Pawnstick and his minions don't care about ModDB. They'll probably do nothing about this, aside from maybe a DDoS attempt as a protest (it's what Anons do). Pawnstick can walk away from this; all of the anonymous cowards on the dev team can walk away from School Shooter. Who does that leave picking the pieces: ModDB.

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MagnumPI
MagnumPI Mar 19 2011, 5:11pm replied:

I think you're making this sound like a bigger deal than it is.

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 5:16pm replied:

Blame the people that think their freedom of speech is being eroded, not me. Blame the people that think ModDB was the only place to access this content, as is now being evily oppressed (it's not).

I agree that it's not a big deal. I support ModDB because I realize it's their website; they ultimately have to answer for the content on here regardless of who uploaded. They didn't want to be associated with the School Shooter mod, so they canned it on ModDB. Done. End of story.

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Skepsis!
Skepsis! Mar 19 2011, 7:42pm replied:

Most of the people in the comments section have. This specific incident isn't anything major, but people get damned sensitive about **** like this. I do agree with people like Holden in their general context, but it seems a few people are making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

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D3@DM4N
D3@DM4N Mar 19 2011, 5:08pm says:

look, i was against this mod from day one, it affected me on a personal level. Im not going to threaten anyone or scream murderers! at the modding community, i have more of a brain than that.

But this is an idea that people dont like to see as a joke (at least the vast majority in this case) I totally respect freedom of speech, but this pushed the boundaries of that. And no, your not "giving the power" to the evil hate mongering people trying to scare people on there side. Your giving peace of mind to people who dont want to see this garbage on their favorite website they visit. I love art, i love all forms of it, but this is not art.

Im sorry it came to this for the team, but i am so absolutely overjoyed its gone.

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chulaksaviour
chulaksaviour Mar 19 2011, 5:20pm says:

basically using Jack Thompsons Logic... the 2-3 million people who use Steam everyday are murderers..
Theres a reason why he is disbarred for life and that is because he has NO CREDIBILITY

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 6:16pm replied:

ModDB is doing to the School Shooter website exactly what the Bar Association did to Jack Thompson. They are saying, "We won't endorse or support you on our dollar; you can't use our name or associate with us on any level." It's like whenever Glenn Beck or Don Imus said something stupid on their shows; sponsors backed away and broke deals, just as they should.

So, if you support the debarring of Jack Thompson, you should also support ModDB's freedom to distance itself from an intentional "bad apple" in School Shooter.

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chulaksaviour
chulaksaviour Mar 20 2011, 2:13am replied:

I do support Moddb in their actions because they have worked hard to achieve what they have, my point is with People like Jack Thompson who have no clue and react to rumour and spread misinformed propaganda to the easily duped masses. We in the end feel pressured to not be creative as we like for fear of being percecuted. The Modding community thrives on its imagination and creativity and to have that strangled is a step in the wrong direction.

Saying this my seem hypocritical but I do believe Moddb did the right thing it show that while we can create things in our image, we need to hold things in perspective and someone somewhere has to draw a moral line and that its best that we regulate ourselves accordingly

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Akujin
Akujin Mar 19 2011, 5:43pm buried:

(buried)

If it's socially unacceptable, doesn't make it Illegal or forbidden. Don't be hypocrites. How many times have you wanted to blew your teacher's brains out, or some kid that bullied you in school?

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 6:50pm replied:

It's not illegal nor forbidden. It's just not accessible through ModDB. Those interested are more than welcome to go to the developer's actual web site.

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ne_zavarj
ne_zavarj Mar 19 2011, 5:44pm says:

I'm sorry , but for me that thing isn't a real "mod " I'm glad that they removed it .

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Armageddon104
Armageddon104 Mar 19 2011, 5:57pm says:

Well, I believe a lot of modders will feel threatened since they will know think you will remove anything that is violent. I feel sorry for the modders making this because their hard work has gone to waste.

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 6:03pm replied:

Uhhh....are we seeing the same mod here? All their hard work in reusing HL2 assets? All of their hard work with horridly simplistic map designs that don't even come close? All their hard work that they don't care to even stand behind?

This would be slightly different if the mod was done with a professional attitude and not the poorly-contrived **** on their website: Checkerboarded.com This mod provides nothing of value, and isn't even commentary on society. It's solely designed to draw flack and blame it on someone else (that being ModDB).

I don't think any serious modder should be threatened in the least; unless they are creating solely a troll mod with the intention of walking away from it, and letting someone else clean up their mess.

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D3@DM4N
D3@DM4N Mar 19 2011, 7:24pm replied:

there was no hard work here.

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Skepsis!
Skepsis! Mar 19 2011, 7:43pm replied:

No it hasn't. Just because the ModDb page was removed doesn't mean they have to stop working on their mod, nor does it mean their work was deleted.

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D3@DM4N
D3@DM4N Mar 20 2011, 1:19am replied:

yea but its off Moddb, i really dont care where they take their garbage (As long as its not here :))

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xilefian
xilefian Mar 19 2011, 6:14pm says:

Can people also remember that we're hosting mods on DesuraNET's servers, the hardware is owned by them, we are physically on their property.

So they can remove anything they want, with or without reason, they're fully entitled to make changes to their own property that we're on.

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Akujin
Akujin Mar 19 2011, 6:17pm says:

I suggest all of you looking at this video (if you haven't seen this already)

http://www.youtube.com/user/kirithem#p/u/3/BFsQM6o4uoY

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 6:36pm replied:

The problem is that this wasn't a serious endeavour. School Shooter wasn't intended to be such when they went out shopping for hits while still using "alpha" content ripped from HL2. It's all about being famous with as little work as possible; it's not about growing the medium because they don't CARE about the medium. They don't care about it enough to properly recreate the assets.

This was solely designed for controversy with no one to own up to it. No one put a face or real name behind it. Not Pawnstick; not any of the "Anonymous" cowards that contributed to it. None of them wanted to go on camera and say that it's not a troll mod; because they know and we all know that it is. They were going to ignore any flack that came with it because no one was attached to the project; they didn't and will never care that other third-parties (parties such as ModDB that didn't want the unwanted attention) were also getting flack for it.

ModDB never "green-lighted" or endorsed the project and has zero obligation for it to stick around. You cannot make stupid comparisons between what's happening here and what happened between Konami and Six-days in Falluja.

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UnknownToaster
UnknownToaster Mar 19 2011, 6:37pm says:

This game is was in such horrible taste. It was not cool at all and just mocks all the people who died in school shootings, men and women, adults, teenagers, and kids. I find nothing good in that mod and I can't say I find any bad coming from this being removed.

Freedom of speech is a huge thing, but there's still a line. You don't go in a movie theater and scream fire. I don't care what all the opposers are saying, I completely support ModDB removing this **** from their database. It's a skidmark on the gaming industry.

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*Don*
*Don* Mar 19 2011, 6:43pm says:

Who cares really, it was just some devs trolling anyways.

You just gave them some amazing face time now.

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 6:47pm replied:

They already had amazing face time because they were shopping it out to the Escapist, Kontaku and others. Sure, this extends their 15 minutes of fame but it won't become a rallying war-cry because everyone realizes that it's a troll mod.

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boredgamer
boredgamer Mar 19 2011, 7:00pm says:

I wish people would just forget that this (incomplete) mod exists. It just doesn't deserve any sort of attention at all.

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Aimforthehead
Aimforthehead Mar 19 2011, 7:27pm says:

I personally am not a censor. But I'm not going to say what you guys did is bad. I really appreciate that you guys rarely interfere. But you are hosting this site and if you choose not to host certain media's that's your business. Although I disagree with the reasoning. You shouldn't have to ban certain things because uninformed idiots will associate it with you. Don't cave because of their misconceptions, I would probably allow the mod to stay just to **** them off.

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 7:46pm replied:

ModDB got dragged into this against their own free will. You should ask yourself if a mod that uses ripped assets from HL2 should be the mod ModDB falls on the sword for? Would you really want ModDB to throw away YEARS of work on this piece of **** non quality mod?

This was a non quality troll mod through and through. It has no business being compared with what real artists trying to push gaming into a full art form.

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Aimforthehead
Aimforthehead Mar 19 2011, 8:32pm replied:

Annoying.

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Pelk
Pelk Mar 19 2011, 7:47pm says:

So now killing anyone that is not a nazi, terrorist, or any other enemy to a larger power is wrong.
Goodbye social intelligence, and bill of rights.

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 7:53pm replied:

Awesome Snowball argument.

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_Erebus_
_Erebus_ Mar 19 2011, 8:02pm says:

Probably the only modding trolls who will ever get press coverage.

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MajorBanter
MajorBanter Mar 19 2011, 8:05pm says:

The negative impact on ModDB would be far too great to allow the modification to continue updates on the site.

I understand the damage control, and frankly free speech and rights can go **** themselves when it comes to cold, hard business. Checkerboard are free to set up their own external site, but ModDB specifically states it reserves the right to remove offensive content.

ModDB is a company, not just a random site thrown up by a bunch of people, and it has a code of conduct. If something has violated it in massive, massive excess then it should be removed.

As for the mod itself, I have no opinion on it. ModDB's actions are justified, logical and frankly hypocrites throwing out the "knee jerk reaction" statements are making one themselves. You don't own the site. It's not your call. That's an end of story.

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version15
version15 Mar 19 2011, 9:42pm replied:

Good, an intelligent point. Thank you.

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Tokoya
Tokoya Mar 19 2011, 8:09pm says:

It's pretty much down to what the majority feels, just like with child porn or anything else, the majority has to try and decide what should be censured to protect the public, namely children.

I don't think the team behind the School Shooter mod should have their freedoms to create the mod removed by Valve as Jack Thompson is demanding, but it should certainly be tucked further out of the reach of young children and those who don't want to be exposed to such content.

The only boundaries this mod was pushing is the creators talents and creativity to it's very underwhelming limits.

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 8:20pm replied:

They haven't had their freedom to create their mod stripped, don't you get it? It just won't be hosted on ModDB; they are free to create and promote they hell out of it, but on their own time and on their own dollar. They aren't getting a free ride from ModDB to do it.

There's no censorship; no oppression going on here. They are free to do as they wish, just not using ModDB's resources.

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Tokoya
Tokoya Mar 19 2011, 9:11pm replied:

Yeah I know, you missed the point I was trying to make. I'm saying that while moddb is fully justified in removing the mod from their site I don't think the team should have their right to make the mod stripped away from them (as Jack Thompson is demanding from Gabe Newell), no matter how trashy others consider it to be.

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MagnumPI
MagnumPI Mar 19 2011, 8:09pm says:

Hey guys
This isn't America, it's ModDB.

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 8:40pm says:

Uhh...there was never any freedom of speech to damage in the first place. You can sit and spin on your finger all you want becoming some gagged pig about something that has never and will never exist on a private website.

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Pheist
Pheist Mar 19 2011, 8:53pm says:

Why I disagree:

1) After columbine, they blamed Doom and the Matrix
a) I owned both and have never had an urge to massacre anyone

2) They said the same about Rockstar games
a) Manhunt Series
b) Grand Theft Auto Series

3) You could have gone about this through several other actions
a) Put up a disclaimer flash page
b) If you feel responsible, put up rules for the mod community that details acceptable content.

4) I doubt that this mod would honestly pull in more press than any of the Postal games

Why I agree:

While I believe in the freedom of speech, I also believe in the responsibility of speech. It is because people hide behind the freedom and not the responsibility within society that we have groups like Westboro Baptist who are allowed to trample on the freedoms of others.

So, I will leave with a question:

How do we allow freedoms to be expressed without trampling on the freedoms of others or possibly inciting actions of groups that lack the mental capacity to distinguish between fantasy and reality?

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Lazy6pyro
Lazy6pyro Mar 19 2011, 9:05pm replied:

ModDB didn't pull Checkboard's own website; their ability to speak isn't being affected. They can continune working on their mod as their heart desires; they can even promote their mod as their heart desires.

You mention Westboro BC, but this is unlike that situation. They are on publically-owned land when they speak, and that speech is protected by the Constitution. They are free to speak as the wish on their website because they own the website and are not committing any illegal acts. Westboro, however, would NOT have the right to come onto my website and drag me into a messy public affair.

If you want to talk about a lack of freedom, look at their own forums. They screen each member to see if they will allow them to post. They will ban you for whatever reason they feel like (as long as it is the "majority" of admins), and if you are banned, your IP will be posted; allowing people to DDoS you or worse.

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version15
version15 Mar 19 2011, 9:37pm says:

I bet the creators of this "mod" are laughing their ***** off at the amount of attention this is getting. No matter their opinion now, they obviously made this in order to attract attention they never had before. At least before, I'm sure they never planned to release anything.

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri Mar 19 2011, 9:59pm says:

@ Pelk

Its been like that in various forms for about 108-109 years now ... were the hell have you been? But I do agree most of them are mindless ***** regurgitating corprate sponsored media bull ****.

******* moddb's reply button is glitching again >>

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 10:14pm buried:

(buried)

YEA! **** ModDB for encouraging corporate sponsored ********! Let's replace it with troll-sponsored taboo ********!

Because NOTHING goes against mindless ******** like a shooting gallery full of HL2 ripp-off assets! OH YEA!!!!!!!!!!

AND if you're not down with that, I got two words for you

SUCK IT!!!!

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Aimforthehead
Aimforthehead Mar 19 2011, 11:13pm replied:

Are you retarded? Who are you even trying to mock?

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 11:15pm replied:

I prefer mentally-handicapped American.

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Mik0112
Mik0112 Mar 19 2011, 10:00pm says:

I don't know, man.

Not like I personally have anything against the mod, even if a lot of people (non-gamers mainly) would find it offensive.

On one hand you guys kind of played it VERY safe by simply removing the title, instead of simply maintaining neutrality as a distribution platform.

It's a judgement-call and I don't think you can be blamed for wanting to avoid trouble.

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flopsies
flopsies Mar 19 2011, 11:08pm says:

They shouldnt make a mod like this, but they do have freedom of bla bla bla, and most of the hate mail is from people who are like Flanders in the Simpsons

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moppop
moppop Mar 19 2011, 11:11pm replied:

They do have the freedom to...just not on ModDB. The project not being hosted on ModDB in no way, shape, or form, prevents them the freedom to work on their mod and distribute their mod on their own dollar.

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thatguyphilip
thatguyphilip Mar 20 2011, 1:16am says:

Don't you dare pretend you're doing this for us, you're not doing this for us, you're doing it for yourselves because you guys can't handle some of the bad publicity that comes with being one of the largest modding networks on the internet. But hey, as long as you guys are comfortable somewhere off in hawaii sipping your little umbrella drinks, all is fine. You've destroyed a lot of people's faith today. And you've tarnished yourselves, this wasn't just a simple deletion you made from your website, it was a public stunt that's rattled the faith many modders and fans.

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