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We have removed the School Shooter mod from ModDB, read on for our explanation.

Posted by INtense! on Mar 19th, 2011

Allow me to begin this post by saying we believe in the freedom of speech, the right to share information and be creative. We have enjoyed watching mod developers push the boundaries for years and create amazing content, and shall always do this.

However, recently a mod on the site called School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 has been getting quite a bit of mainstream press due to the controversial nature of the content. It seems that people sit on two sides of the fence on this one. There are those that believe the makers of this mod should have the right to make whatever they want, while there are others that believe it is disgusting and crosses the line.

We sit on both sides, on one hand we find the content to be deliberately offensive and in poor taste, but on the other we also feel people should have the right to be creative and share what they want on a community / developer run site, and we shouldn't have the right to dictate what is/isn't allowed.

The challenge faced is we are currently receiving quite a bit of threatening mail as people believe we are the creators, supporters and makers of this content. I want to stress that this absolutely isn't the case. We have never encouraged or made any content, we disagree with the mod but at the same time believe in freedom of speech and the unique ability modders and indie developers should have to create games (good-or-bad) about topics, issues and events considered risky or taboo.

There is also quite a bit of confusion from non-gaming press, who state that games like this are the reason why all bad things occur, spreading misinformation and fear.  As a result of this confusion and hate, at the moment we feel the best course of action is to remove the mod. We don't want the hard work of thousands of other mod developers to be threatened by people misunderstanding this one mod/game, and assuming all others are like it.

Edit: We did contact the developers with no reply back in August 2010, chances are this would have ended differently if they had replied.

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minmi96
minmi96 May 28 2011, 2:10am says:

you should have given them a chance to relase the mods content.

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Videogamer555
Videogamer555 Sep 13 2011, 6:59am says:

The word "you" in this message refers to the entity/company known as ModDB. So when I say "you must repost this", I am speaking to the whole entity/company known as ModDB (not a specific employee, and not to any users of this site).

This MUST be reposted, not for me, not for my friend down the street, not even for the makers of the mode. It must be reposted for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! When it was removed, the ONE THING that we hold most dear to us, the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution, the right to free speech, was trampled and and spat upon!!!!!

I don't care how many threats you got from people. Heck, I don't care if someone hated you so much that they actually carried out their threat and murdered the CEO of the ModDB company. There are some things that are worth dying for, and the freedom of speech is one of them!!!!!!!!!!!

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Videogamer555
Videogamer555 Sep 13 2011, 7:00am says:

You caved in to stop the harassment you say? Truth is YOU HAD NO RIGHT TO GIVE IN TO THAT DEMAND! The US Constitution, the greatest law in the land, FORBIDS YOU from giving in to such a demand. Violating free speech is literally a FEDERAL CRIME due to what the US Constitution says! Yes those people have the right to make those demands, as they too are protected by the US Constitution. However because of the US Constitution you are obligated to NOT give in to those demands.

I, as a true believer in free speech am SERIOUSLY considering issuing a law suit against you, but not taking you to civil court, but rather DIRECTLY to the US Supreme Court, which is the court DIRECTLY responsible for enforcing the US Constitution. I wouldn't even need to spend money on a lawyer. The only thing I would need to pursue such a case against you is the knowledge that the US Constitution protects free speech. You can hire all the lawyers you want to try to protect your decision to remove this mod from the site, however all this legal defense won't negate the fact that the US Constitution protects free speech nor will it negate the fact that your actions are trampling on this free speech. The Supreme Court would (as they are following the US Constitution) have no choice but to find you guilty of violating the 1st Amendment right of free speech, and demand that you place the mod back on your site, under threat that if you don't, your CEO would be charged with the federal crime of obstructing the right of free speech!!!!!!!!

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The_Enlightened_One
The_Enlightened_One Oct 23 2011, 7:35pm says:

Is understood that it takes a lot of time energy and focus into creating a new mod or video game from scratch or with help from others. I think the reasons for this creation was intended for creating a more unique mod that would capture attention on sight either for people to download and simply play, another reason could be to just simply bring a newer almost looked down on subject to find the responses to a touchy matter. Either way its art, its something to play and enjoy for whatever reason. I know if i played a game like this it wouldn't make me want to go around shooting random kids in the face around town lol just the same as GTA. I find it funny; because its FICTION. I think the officials just care about the drama, and news coverage and blah blah blah about it for selfish reasons, or because their mind isnt working correctly. No on should assume anything, or jump to conclusions period. That's wrong.

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AlphaBetaPlayer
AlphaBetaPlayer Nov 26 2011, 2:37pm says:

Nobody gets upset about mods where you shoot random npc_citizens, until- OH MY GOD. THE MAP IS A SCHOOL MAP. Now it is controversial. So, you removed an entertaining mod, because the map resembles a building where students go to learn things. If anybody reads this comment, and you have a link to the mod, can you send it to me?
Thanks.
(TardDB)

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Jason187781
Jason187781 Dec 21 2011, 3:37am says:

ModDb is well within it's rights to take down what it decides is inappropriate. I have never heard of the mod but can only imagine what it's content involves. It's definitly bad taste and can only assume at this point that it not a valued entry. I have checked out the youtube vids and to be honest what I can find isn't that offensive visually.

I too beleive in free speech and content but where do you draw the line? Nersery School Shooter!!! Baby killer!!! Kiddy capture!!! are you saying those should be allowed because it's a constitutional right?

I am afraid it went too far....

We are all responsible in protecting the integrity of modding in general, If you feel it acceptable to produce these mods then you are damaging the scene. Creating cheap controversial mods just for hits is in bad taste.

That's my opinion.

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Bob_Freeman2
Bob_Freeman2 Dec 21 2011, 7:35am says:

@Otter aye your right

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Prototype458
Prototype458 Dec 27 2011, 9:49pm says:

you know whats funny about this there are so many games that have maps with schools inside and they shoot in those schools so question why is the name school shooter not allowed is it because of the name school shooter that it isnt allowed or is it of the content that is kinda the same as any game out there if i was the person making this mod i would not care what other people would say about it either take it or leave it if they dont take it i place it somewhere else for people if they remove it wel im not the type that allows you to remove like stuff for practicly no reason so in most cases i wil reupload it until you accept it i would not care if i get banned or thrown into jail for some stupid reason yea its "school shooter" people wil try to do it in real life wel on that i have to say action shows blood every action game shows murders because a person plays a bloody murderes game doesnt mean they wil go nuts and attack everybody most times the people that play these games are the ones that wil never do it and the persons that dont are most likely murderers not saying everybody that dont play killing games are all murderers but you get my point and for some people killing games kinda helps calm them down worked sometimes for me not that i ever want to kill somebody but i would say complete the mod whatever the other people are saying about it if they dont want it its fine for me and the other players that wil play the mod

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Smoth
Smoth Jan 11 2012, 6:24pm says:

FWIW, I think you guys made the right decision.

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K00PD4WG
K00PD4WG Oct 10 2012, 8:50pm says:

Somedays I wish the mainstream community could take these jokes less seriously...

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