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Posted by Epoch_MEB on Sep 6th, 2012

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We now need out fans and supporters to send this letter to everyone and anyone on the internet. Be it youtube channels, journalism sites or just friends and folowers. We need to spread the word and get ourselves noticed.

Someone wrote:Dear [recipient],

I would like to inform you of a Lord of the Rings fan modification of the Elder Scrolls Skyrim, which has recently been issued a cease and desist letter from Warner Brothers Entertainment. The mod's name is MERP (Middle earth Roleplaying Project), which has been in development since before 2008 (though then for a different game). Since then, the team has matured and the mod has seen a huge boost in quality, fan support and developemnt experience.

Now we need all the support we can get from fans, other modders, game websites, famous people and whoever can help to spread news about our current situation to show Warner Bros. how much everyone cares about our project.

After contact with Warner Brothers, they did not permit us to continue the project privately with no public releases. We have contact with a lawyer who is trying to argue our case as transformative and under 'fair use', but we also need all the support we can get!

Please help our cause, and spread the news and don't let this awesome non-profit project come to an end!

We have a petition, facebook pages, and a twitter hashtag – #SaveMERP

Facebook: Facebook.com

Petition: Gopetition.com


Our main news and blog site is: Moddb.com


Please help us and spread the news!

Together we can save MERP!

--MERP fans and gamers





@MiddleEarthBane
@Alasdairhurst #SaveMERP
@Valyndimir

Facebook.com -Save MERP fan page
Facebook.com - Official MERP Page

Moddb.com

"There's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for!"
-Samwise Gamgee

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lyleday
lyleday Sep 7 2012, 8:08pm says:

How many signatures they need to save the mod?

+3 votes     reply to comment
ElfFriend
ElfFriend Sep 7 2012, 9:51pm replied:

as much as possible.

+4 votes     reply to comment
epavichthesavage
epavichthesavage Sep 7 2012, 8:41pm says:

Signed.
Friends have signed.
Got strangers to sign it.
Interest in this mod should be rising. It deserves it

+5 votes     reply to comment
VitaminK
VitaminK Sep 7 2012, 11:29pm says:

Cant you just change the name?

+4 votes     reply to comment
Mr.Nuke
Mr.Nuke Sep 7 2012, 11:37pm says:

****, Why is warner bros so ******? this would help their movies more than hinder them.

+6 votes     reply to comment
Computica
Computica Sep 8 2012, 10:44pm replied:

They probably have a game planned themselves; for instance LOTR Online. The release of MERP could probably prevent sales.

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Mr.Nuke
Mr.Nuke Sep 9 2012, 11:11am replied:

not really lotr online is comp;etely different than this, its an mmo, with completely different graphics and gameplay. its like saying battle for middle earth hinders sales of lotr online

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Computica
Computica Sep 12 2012, 9:15am replied:

That's exactly the problem, better graphics & gameplay; MERP has the potential to be better than LOTRO even though it may be single player. Don't forget what happened to Streets of Rage Remix 5.0 when Sega sent them a S&D letter. They released a bad port of SoR2 on the I-phone right after.

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Nuvendil
Nuvendil Sep 13 2012, 1:02am replied:

I think nuke's point is that our game is completely different in terms of experience than LOTRO. You couldn't replace that with MERP cause MERP is single player while LOTRO is an mmo. Therefore, it is highly unlikely we would effect the profits of LOTRO.

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Mr.Nuke
Mr.Nuke Sep 15 2012, 12:52pm replied:

yes that is it

+1 vote     reply to comment
Fallen Angel
Fallen Angel Sep 7 2012, 11:41pm says:

Saved it... For all it's worth. Such a shame that Warner Bros would do such a thing.

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SfcRock
SfcRock Sep 8 2012, 12:40am says:

John Ronald Reuel Tolkien would be ****** if he was alive to see warner bros abusing power over something he created. Signed

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Ilsamir_Lord
Ilsamir_Lord Sep 17 2012, 6:24pm replied:

He would have had to agree to WB purchasing the adaptation rights in the first place, and I doubt he would have. I also kind of doubt that he would have wanted video games made about his works at all, but all such thoughts are idle speculation.

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Dark_Ventus
Dark_Ventus Sep 8 2012, 1:45am says:

Made the front page on Moddb, great work guys! :D

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faulk
faulk Sep 8 2012, 2:33am buried:

(buried)

I signed twice!

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Sep 8 2012, 2:41am replied:

It woun't help if WB thinks we each signed multiple times since then they will see the number as invalid or half of what it really is. If you sign several times please keep it to yourself and make it appear as different people.

+8 votes     reply to comment
abrun4
abrun4 Sep 8 2012, 3:24am says:

Reading this today made me wonder " what would i do if this happened to my mod " , the funny thing is it actually has and we beat it too a long time ago, Personally i know developers from the pandemic team that made Lord of the rings conquest and they personally love this mod , i was also told that said title was a giant flop, Lord of the rings online and war in the north are also failing hardcore. We should stop buying games with lord of the rings title all together. So for the Short Story, **** YOU warner brothers legal team GO **** YOUR PILES OF MONEY! Please up vote this comment :)

+10 votes     reply to comment
formerlyknownasMrCP
formerlyknownasMrCP Sep 8 2012, 3:25am says:

I'm interested to know what the letter said. There are other LOTOR mods for other games that haven't been issued CDs yet. There must be something really specific that ticked them off.

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Theon
Theon Sep 8 2012, 12:13pm replied:

I think it's basically just that it looks huge and very polished.
If this mod really comes to life, it might rival other LoTR RPGs...which usually tend to suck, and thus probably will lose.

Either way, it's a **** move.

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Arasuum
Arasuum Sep 8 2012, 4:31am says:

Deshi Basara

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BuddyC
BuddyC Sep 8 2012, 4:35am says:

Signed.

Never even heard of the mod, but it sounds amazing and will def. look into it.

Im so sick of big corporations, playing the hardass card.

Do they really think that a non profit mod or indie game is going to threaten theier bottom line?

They make me sick.

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Ilsamir_Lord
Ilsamir_Lord Sep 18 2012, 4:54am replied:

I agree that this shouldn't be happening, but the fact that this is a FREE game means that huge numbers of people would rather download this than pay full price for WB's sub-standard products. If, on the other hand, MERP didn't exist (which is what WB wants), then WB would have what they paid for: a monopoly on LotR-themed video-games.

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Theon
Theon Sep 8 2012, 10:12am says:

Tolkien must be turning in his grave.
You have my signature.

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Ilsamir_Lord
Ilsamir_Lord Sep 18 2012, 4:58am replied:

Tolkien himself tried to stamp out the sale of bootlegged copies of LotR in America from which he and his publisher received no money. Sadly I think most people would feel very differently about fan-made content if it was based on their intellectual property and might present competition on the open market.

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Sanghilii
Sanghilii Sep 8 2012, 11:32am says:

EPIC i just stumbled onto this page by mistake and read the letter,signed the petition guys the white wizard once said "stand fast against the growing tide"

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Ilsamir_Lord
Ilsamir_Lord Sep 18 2012, 5:02am replied:

Excellent quote - much better than the platitude from the film version of TTT that's at the end of the main article.

+1 vote     reply to comment
Tymathee
Tymathee Sep 8 2012, 12:18pm says:

It's just a scare tactic, they can't sue you or make you stop a private project.

Just continue the mod and tell 'em to ef off.

they have a game in the works thats like this, thats why they're fussy, same thing happened to the Halo C&C Generals mod, my teams battle for middle earth generals mod (we had the name first, bastards) and other mod projects.

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claytonian
claytonian Sep 15 2012, 10:22pm replied:

Actually, they can. Apple's suing people for using 'their' ideas, so Warner Brothers can do the same thing. If they own the rights to the franchise, they can sue you for using it without their permission...

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conlk
conlk Sep 8 2012, 1:15pm says:

Warner Brothers are just one among many corporations who have become corrupted and only think about profit. They are the ones that are killing capitalism.
This is what happens when you read this **** during a break from US history class and all you have been talking about is the corruption from the 1800's and on.

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Theon
Theon Sep 8 2012, 6:12pm replied:

They ARE capitalizm embodied.
But as capitalizm is has economic cannibalizm as a core feature, yes, capitalism is killing capitalism.
It's only too bad it will kill the small people first.

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Nuvendil
Nuvendil Sep 13 2012, 1:07am replied:

You sir have bought into the anti-capitalist propaganda of post modernism. Educate yourself and you will realize that most of the problems with today's "capitalist" society is that is a far cry from what a real capitalist society should be. Read the Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith and study your history better. Don't just blindly swallow the spoon-fed "capitalism is evil blah blah" stuff that is being pumped into society.

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Antiscamp
Antiscamp Sep 13 2012, 4:53am replied:

"Real Capitalism" seems to me to be just as utopian as "real Communism", because if you read Das Kapital you'll also see that real communism is a far cry from what we saw in the Soviet Union, for an example. The point is, that if something doesn't work, mankind will find other systems that work better. It is my firm belief that the end days of Capitalism are soon upon us and that we will now start creating a world with true Democracy, sharing and solidarity. People are waking up - Theon expresses it - and some of us are not buying into the lying, selfish, corrupt culture with false, pasted-on dollar smiles anymore.

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Nuvendil
Nuvendil Sep 13 2012, 10:06pm replied:

Not at all. Real Capitalism makes no qualms about the human condition, whereas Communism denies that condition, invoking the idea of man's inward good in the final end of it all. And I have read the works of the Communist founders; I am not ignorant of the other forces that have been raised. However, Capitalism is not a government nor a moral system; that you apply it to those is a direct misuse of the term, a strawman argument against an imaginary foe. Economics is all Capitalism really is, no more no less. To look to economics as the source of moral woes and the source of a cure for those woes is absurd for the most part as it is merely a system in society. As all systems are, it is a vehicle of expression for many of these moral issues. But then so is the internet, communism, socialism, and democracy. Yes, even democracy can be a moral quagmire. However, these moral issues do not have their root in capitalism but in the underlying principles and philosophies of the day, things most people blindly accept while marching to war against whatever these philosophies point them to. Post-modernism, moral and factual relativism, utilitarianism, and many other ideas in today's society are the true culprits.

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Nuvendil
Nuvendil Sep 13 2012, 10:08pm replied:

"True democracy, sharing, and solidarity" is just as utopian, no? In fact it is more so, a vague, dreamy expression of what a "perfect" society would be, disregarding the human element and condition as we know it to be. And yet an alarming few who chant this have given any thought to that cry, to its meaning, to what it would become were it realized, or what philosophy drives the groups supporting it. Which is why I disagree: people are not waking up, they are simply falling into another dream. Most of society is philosophically illiterate, rellying entirely on the internet and other easy-access information to form their ideas for them. However, knowing does not and never has and never will beget understanding. Until people apply their minds to the study, the contemplation of the underlying principles and ideologies they are bombarded with, they will never wake up but simply be turned as a horse by the bit. What is needed is not a crusade against Capitalism, but for people to simply think for themselves. Then and only then can people even hope to choose with any certainty of outcome the path that they should take.

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Antiscamp
Antiscamp Sep 17 2012, 5:04am replied:

True democracy, sharing and solidarity is not at all utopian. I see it every day, not only in the modding world, where it is very evident, but also in my RL. I for one, naively, believe in the basic good of mankind, and that is also why I believe that true democracy, sharing and solidarity is indeed achievable, in fact, it is very much the way mankind naturally is striving. It is evolution. Just because our world is full of false dollar-smiles right now, hiding the tears of the millions of crying, doesn't mean that mankind won't grow up one day, and stop being the spoiled teenager it is now, to create better systems, economic and political, systems that the modding world is actually an early example of. Capitalism is offering mankind nothing and has no solutions but oil wars, poverty, homelessness, fear and all the other things that are hidden under Ronald McDonald's plastic smile where the strong eat the weak according to the old laws of the jungle. It supplies endless riches to a few selected just because the vast majority is suffering. Capitalism is holding us back. It has proven itself, just like communism did, and just like communism, it needs to go right into history's rubbish bin. Man, I do agree with you on your last point there - people do need to start thinking for themselves.

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Nuvendil
Nuvendil Sep 17 2012, 5:31pm replied:

I am sorry, but as a man of learning in the area of history and of the history of philosophical thought, I cannot agree with you on you statement of man's natural good with any sound reasoning. The history of ancient Greece, of the philosophical thinkers of that age, shows a people that at their highest of high water marks only for a brief period arrived at a morally "good" philosophical ideal in Plato and Socrates only to slide swiftly back after Aristotle, falling to Skepticism and other such beliefs. The Republic of Rome was first, it fell to the Empire which further fell as time went on to increasingly despotic rulers. All kingdoms, all systems, everything man has made in his own strength deteriorates. Most religions even reflect this. No, the only rational conclusion of human nature is one that declines and must be shored up constantly. Modding is no better. Modding's goodness comes not from the inherent goodness of members; there are communities of modders out there who are as unsavory as anyone you would meet in the real "capitalist" society. But they are kept out not by some high "good" but because on Nexus and Moddb, such ones are banned instantly and permanently.

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Nuvendil
Nuvendil Sep 17 2012, 5:41pm replied:

And you say Capitalism again so vaguely. You apply it to all the woes of society, but that is just, as I said, a strawman. Capitalism can be boiled down to a simple premise: all people naturally work towards their own self benefit. Note that isn't greed, a destructive all consumption or glutton. It is simply this: why does the baker bake bread for us to eat? Is it because he somehow feels morally obliged to feed the hungry and sick or that he is somehow made guilt and by conscience does so? Of course not. It is because he intends to exchange that bread with us for something he in turn needs, either to eat or clothe himself or some other daily need. Money is no object whether this is true or not; it is the same with barter. Just swap out dollars for chickens or straw. The whole idea of a free market is to give people the freedom to do what they want for a living while striving for that same self good that the baker does. That is the fundamental foundation on which Capitalism sits. It has nothing to do with the rich or poverty or whatnot. What has been seen and is a self evident truth is that a path forced on someone, for "the good of the many," results in people feeling no devotion to it. When free men freely labor on what they would, that is when men feel devoted, a sense of self worth. But it is not the place of economics, in theory or practice, to make man good. If man is to be good, he must be changed and that is the place of ethics and morals. If man was good, Capitalism would work. Heck, even Communism might have a fighting chance. But again, neither system can force that.

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Antiscamp
Antiscamp Sep 18 2012, 2:04pm replied:

I have a rather different take on history. I see it as filled with great examples of unselfish sacrifice, sharing and truly heroic deeds. History is actually what makes me believe that mankind is actually good, whatever egos like Aristotle and Caesar tried to portray. It makes me believe in the advance and evolution of the human race and that we're all worth more than $2,50 a day.

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conlk
conlk Sep 26 2012, 10:30pm replied:

Capitalism is awesome what we got now is an oligarchy where ceos make 758 percent more money than the workers and not putting the money back in the company. Where any small business can be stomped by endless litigation, where the tax code is 17000 pages long to give tax exemptions to the corporations. You my friend are the ignorant one. This isn't propaganda this is history. Oh and also pay attention to what I said, they are killing capitalism because it is not an even playing field so before you tell me to read my history read a ******* paragraph.

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Heisenberg
Heisenberg Sep 8 2012, 3:52pm says:

Signed #7622

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guiaranha
guiaranha Sep 8 2012, 5:25pm says:

To the end! For one of the most ambitious and awesome projects the gaming world has ever seen! One that not even Warner was able to pull! I'm with you, always!

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StonerMk2
StonerMk2 Sep 8 2012, 6:08pm says:

Id say post the petition up on Reddit and see what happens from that corner of the net.

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Varathor
Varathor Sep 8 2012, 9:46pm says:

Well i am thinking about what the cease and desist says, they told you it could not be continued privately and there had to be public releases, Well this site is public, and seeing as how you allow people to join the MERP development team, is it really private if any one can join it? And a public release could be simply Put as Beta Release 1 : on a date that is far enough away that it gives you time to put together a height map and maybe throw a few weapons in like you did for oblivion It does not need to be extensive, just throw in something a little new each month or something, to say you have public releases, and I know it may be a pain in the *** but hey if it keeps production going, why not?

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brandon762
brandon762 Sep 9 2012, 4:16am says:

I don't even like LOTR that much, but I signed the petition because this is absolutely ridiculous.

Screw Warner.

+3 votes     reply to comment
Kark-Jocke
Kark-Jocke Sep 9 2012, 7:07am says:

Long live MERP! ^_^

+2 votes     reply to comment
zumo666
zumo666 Sep 9 2012, 9:14am says:

I can't wait for this! So glad that every time I check more and more people sing the petition! :)

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zumo666
zumo666 Sep 9 2012, 11:31am says:

It's kinda unfair that the mod authors have to deal with this even if the mod isn't pay to play, sucks.

+2 votes     reply to comment
mckellin
mckellin Sep 9 2012, 5:42pm says:

Signed, hope you guys make it.

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Sp00ns86
Sp00ns86 Sep 9 2012, 9:57pm says:

Just give them a middle finger response. They have movie rights and game rights licenced to them for Tolkien's work but that doesn't mean they own it wholesale. They can't stop you from making a non profit mod because you were inspired by a book you read. If they had any sense they'd hire you and make you do all the work making a good game as opposed to the rubbish ones they've released with the "Intellectual property." Keep at it until Christopher Tolkien personally sends you a cease and desist.

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Atts
Atts Sep 10 2012, 5:11am buried:

(buried)

As much as i respect and admire the creativity of this project and would love to sign, I honestly don't think it will make a difference, Warner Brothers will never allow a bunch of modders to do something like this would could potentially affect theur profits for future LOTR games, even if you had 50 million people sign they just ignore it. Not to mention if you do get them to agree, Bethesda may issue a cease and disist in their place to prevent people from getting the wrong idea about Skyrim and enable them to push more of their own content through DLCs.

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Kisaraji
Kisaraji Sep 10 2012, 11:59am replied:

Let's just try helping, k?

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Ilsamir_Lord
Ilsamir_Lord Sep 18 2012, 5:08am replied:

Creativity? Perhaps in the sense that they have to "create" (model, texture, rig, animate) a lot of stuff; just don't forget that most (not all) of the content is based on Tolkien's "creativity" (imagination and inventiveness) or on that of Peter Jackson et al.

I support this project, but we should be clear-eyed in our praise.

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