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C&C Red Alert 3 mod. What do you think? We need a name and a story-line. Drop in suggestions for us! Help us group together a HUGE modding team! We need more members!

Posted by leebarguss on Apr 18th, 2010

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TotalSnappy
TotalSnappy Apr 19 2010, 3:05am says:

hmm i'll get back to you when i've had a think

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 19 2010, 10:33am says:

Name and storyline depends on what exactly this mod will be about. And so far noone knew it.

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 12:10pm replied:

What shall it be about then?

Red Alert 3 is a war game.
Wars are fought by countries/nations.

So, What can countries/nations fight over/for?
- Resources
- Money
- Domination
- Defense
- Communism
- Disagreements

Any more suggestion?
If not, which one shall we choose?

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 19 2010, 1:41pm replied:

So it will be partial coversion, or total?

Well, resources and money, thats recently very popular (and so unacceptable). Domination... unless there will be new form of goverment like fashism, maybe. Defense... there must be some kind of offense, and that needs reasson :P So there remains disagreement... what actually you mean this?

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 2:07pm replied:

It will be total :)

I mean disputes. E.g:
"This is my land!"
"Noo! It's mine!"
Anything like that ;)

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Com-Link
Com-Link Apr 19 2010, 2:16pm says:

Some thoughts:

Fight over resources idea:

If you have an "universe" (aka: setting) with a finite main resource (like for instance fossil fuels), you will have wars between nations that have the resource, and those that don't.
In most cases, you can say that there is no war over actual money, but over the resources that influence currency (like oil in real life. Oil price goes up, all prices go up...)

You'd see the rise of very expensive alternative resources, which cost a lot of 'standard' resources to produce, but yield even more in the end.

You could use a realistic setting for mods with this "theme". So, something like Generals. Abrams tanks, B-2 Spirit bombers, aircraft carriers.

The nations would range from the high-tech "settled powers" (like NATO), to the lower-tech but quickly rising forces (China?). You might also see a "recovering" nation, which had some major problems before, and is just trying to recover when the shi* hits the fan (Eastern Europe/Russia after the fall of communism?).
Another faction would rise from the regions that are caught up in the destructive fight over resources. Militias, terrorists.

Yes, the above is highly inspired by the modern situation, and the settings seen in other mods.
Yet, this could be fun to experiment on.

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 2:58pm replied:

Wow! Sounds good! :D
We'll wait for a few more suggestions, and we'll mix and match all of the storyline ideas.
I can write up if you want? Yes?

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Com-Link
Com-Link Apr 19 2010, 3:11pm replied:

I'll think about some more ideas.

And if you don't mind, I could use the "Resource War" theme for a story concept ^^
(my idea wasn't a storyline suggestion, but a possible setting)

Hmm, it seems I'm kinda the "story guy" in more then one team XD

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 4:30pm replied:

Haha! Greedy :P
That's fine with me. It's you're idea after all ;)

Like I said. We'll bounce ideas around anyway. We'll just use whatever the ending result is :)

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Dan2172
Dan2172 Apr 19 2010, 3:42pm says:

After looking at other red 3 mods we will need to think outside the box as to not be totally wiped-out by a bigger mod o.O so maybe total conversion is in order and story line is all well and good but I'm a game play man myself =P all the mods stick with.....red alertness xD so we...couldn't i shall return with a comment containing some form of idea ^^

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 4:31pm replied:

Exactly ;)
But what can we do on Red Alert, that isn't Red Alert? :O

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TotalSnappy
TotalSnappy Apr 20 2010, 2:56am replied:

a new universe that isnt, not modern warfare (done WAYYYYYY too many times) and certainly not WW2 or the cold war for the same reason.

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Trigolai
Trigolai Apr 19 2010, 3:44pm says:

Total conversion you say.

Generals 2 (or something similar)
United States of America versus China versus Middle East.*

With a world domination gameplay mode ala C&C 3 KW.

*No faction are the good guys, just differen't perspectives, what I mean to say is: NO AMERICA AS THE GOOD GUYS. I'm American and I protest that for once please please make USA as evil as they really are in real life. I'm sick and tired of this propaganda in computer games where the USA are the good guys. There is no such thing as a Protagonist type country..... any country that has invaded another or uses violence in such a fashion is evil. Vietnam, Afganistan etc. All unjust ******** wars to fuel America's War-centric Industry which needs a annual war to avoid economic collapse (same principle as hitler's war-industry).

/Rant Over!

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 4:32pm replied:

Hmmm... Has this been done before?
A RA3 conversion to Generals?

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Trigolai
Trigolai Apr 19 2010, 5:42pm replied:

As far as I know, it hasn't.

But EA could do a Bungie and shut us down half way thorugh development when they decide to take a stab at screwing up Generals 2.

Bungie Boss: OMG their C&C generals halo mod is like 10 times better than our secret Halo Wars project. How dare they make a free mod that had been in development way before ours was even shown to the public.
Bungie Lawyer: I can shut them down for you.
Bungie Boss: Wait, you can do that?
Bungie Lawyer: Yeah of course, welcome to the world of complete corporate control.
Bungie Boss: Awesome! You up for a money orgy?
Bungie Lawyer: Damn Straight. 1,2,3 MONEY ORGY!

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 20 2010, 3:46pm replied:

That dialogue was amazing.

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Trigolai
Trigolai Apr 21 2010, 5:16pm replied:

Thank you, much love.

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TotalSnappy
TotalSnappy Apr 20 2010, 2:55am replied:

C&C 3 to generals has

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 4:19pm says:

Ask questions / outline thoughts here.
Suggest here: Moddb.com
Sound good?

Oh, and keep up the good work people :)
Glad to see people actually taking part in this!
Really appreciated :D

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Com-Link
Com-Link Apr 19 2010, 4:39pm says:

Generals 2 as a possible setting idea (as in: modern, based on real life) would be fun.

I don't have school tomorrow, so I'll start thinking on a possible story idea.

And as for the USA-Good-Guy comment:
It depends on how you look.
It isn't Good <-> Evil.
As a saying goes:
"It's not just Black or White. There are many shades of Grey in between."
That's why I agree with the point.

Maybe something with the US & NATO as one "faction", Russia & China as a second "faction", and the Middle East & Militia/Terrorists as a third faction?

As for the world settings, maybe a slightly alternative history, which led to a different "today"? (like we see in Generals: Massive 4-tracked dual-barrelled tanks, tactical nukes are standard weapons, particle weapons, Anthrax weaponized for mass deployment, tanks carrying small lasers, etc...)

And @ Lee:
I like the idea of helping out. Especially since I like thinking about war scenarios XD

Anyway, I'll start working on a more solid idea tomorrow.

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 4:45pm replied:

Brilliant :D
Post your idea up here: Moddb.com
:D :D

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 19 2010, 5:22pm replied:

... When you've come up with it :)

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Com-Link
Com-Link Apr 19 2010, 5:50pm says:

I'm already writing like hell XD

A small segment:

(settings)
Where it all begins: the Oil Crisis.

All factions on Earth rely on a single main resource: Oil.
As the natural supply of this valuable resource begins to deplete, tensions between Earth’s superpowers begin to rise.

Oil prices begin to rise. After a few months, the cost per barrel already reaches $200.

Russia is keeping a tight leash on their own oil production. Their relation with the European Union has never been smooth, and the “Oil Crisis” doesn’t do them well.
The Russians are still recovering from conflicts both inside and outside their borders, and the effects from the past century. Their military is not sitting idle, and is developing new technology and improving old weapons

This forces the EU to import oil from the Middle East.
Because of the EU’s “police” status among warring nations, they had a lot of forces abroad.
These are now forced to retreat back. Dutch ships of the coast of Somalia are among the first to head home. Peacekeeping forces located in the unstable Middle East are soon to follow.

I got more. Though this is all open for change XD
(typing in Word doc, will copy into forum when ready)

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Com-Link
Com-Link Apr 20 2010, 5:28am says:

Here we go:
Moddb.com

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 20 2010, 10:49am says:

So as I see I will must say good bye to you, as you dont interest me with another Earth-like mod.

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 20 2010, 11:20am replied:

I thought a space mod would be good!
We could test coding to the limits!

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 20 2010, 1:02pm replied:

Well, as others only talk about a mod stationed on Earth, placing a space to the mod while there will be only a space around Earth, its boring and not very creative.

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Com-Link
Com-Link Apr 20 2010, 1:12pm replied:

V., if I understand correctly:
You would like to see a setting that includes deep space battles, not limited to our "small" solar system?
With stuff like long range travel (Wormholes, Quantum Gate Travel), and possibly planet warfare?

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 20 2010, 2:18pm replied:

Yes, but not exactly you will fight with the battleships (or it would be as a kind of gyme type). But for example 3 races from 3 different planets fight together on various planets. Something like this.

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Com-Link
Com-Link Apr 20 2010, 2:29pm replied:

I'm already working on something like that.

Though it'll be a bit of a mix between some known games (like groups breaking off from settled powers, the well-known "Ship goes missing without any evidence why" scenario), but maybe it'll be more to your liking... And to that of the rest of course XD

I'll send a PM to you soon, I could use your insights :P

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 20 2010, 2:37pm replied:

Ok :)

Well, we should use your scenario for the game and change it to fit to the galacical scale, so there will not be 6-7 HUMAN factions, but 6-7 races. The terrorist would stay, they will just be some combo of various races :)

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leebarguss
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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 20 2010, 11:45am says:

I've just thought...
If we have a sci-fi theme, then we can have a special Campaign with the mod.
My idea is, is that the matches take place in space/on planets/in space vehicles!
What do you think?
All we need is decent mappers to help us with this :D

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 21 2010, 10:13am says:

Well... I got one idea for the theme of the mod, but it will mean again a overall change of the storyline... hmm. ))

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Trigolai
Trigolai Apr 21 2010, 4:59pm says:

Huge fan of Sci-fi (BS:G FTW).... but IMO generic Science Fiction is an overused concept in games. For this mod to work using a sci-fi theme its concept needs to be on a totally different level to Star Craft 2, Mass Effect 2 etc. and not just a rehash of of a couple game/movie's styles. *insert generic alien/storyline here*. People have to go "HOLY CRAP that's epic, why hasn't this been done before" and not "been there done that, bought the T-shirt".

You're probably thinking, but you suggested C&C generals 2 as the mod idea. Your right I did, but that was because I thought it would be much easier to build a mod from the husk of the awesome and wacky generals rather than build one from scratch (though I admit the latter seems way more fun to do). I am also of the firm belief that for a mod/game anything to be successful it needs to offer something to the player that can't be got anywhere else. Generals on a new engine would do this, and would bring in general's countless fans. If SC2 wasn't coming out then a sci-fi standard sci-fi rts would have been great. In our present situation though... We're gonna have to bring out the big guns. (For the record, I think an ultra serious modern combat setting is mega boring.)

I have the initial plotline and factions for a story I was gonna use for my planned SC2 custom map drawn up. Its pretty crazy and avant-garde and mostly lies on the "what is this, I don't even" side of the sci-fi fence. Actually, I expect it won't be to everyone's tastes, but I'll post something up on the weekend if you're interested.

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 21 2010, 6:07pm replied:

Yeah, whack it up on Grans-productions.com :D Thank youu :)

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 21 2010, 5:04pm says:

Well, now I remembered there is something what starts to be known, but noone done any mod about it. There were some tries, but they ended in the stage of planning.

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leebarguss
leebarguss Apr 21 2010, 6:04pm replied:

Instead of giving us hints, why don't you actually tell us something? :P

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 22 2010, 12:25am replied:

Its called Nova Refuge. Its a fan fiction which is not spread, but not something small. There already exists a book about it, and more are waiting in the future. It tells a story about Human race and their evacuation from Earth because Sol became supernova, and the Humanity will arrive into galaxy they start calling Nova Refuge. Their new home is named Terra Nova, and after... 3 hundread years are formed 4 factions of humans.

But, as you can expect, they are not alone in this galaxy. Nearly after they land on Terra Nova, they will encounter 4 races, they start to call them Natives (because actually humans are aliens :P ) And the war between humans and natives began, but after, I think 1 hundread years, or only 50 years, the war stop and there is made agreement humans would stay.

Now we come to the problem. The natives left the humans, but humans starts to dislike each other and 2 blocks are formed. Ofcourse the humaans settled many planets and made many colonies, the hatred is there too :P ... more to come (dont have enought time)

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V.Metalic
V.Metalic Apr 22 2010, 10:19am replied:

The humans, divided into 4 factions and spread on many planets, starts to prepare for a possible war, and in one turn, the war began.

I dont read the book (unluckly), but it tells how this war actually begans. Two blocks are fighting with each other while the Natives stay out of this conflict, but they are looking carefully on each other, as they also fought in galactic scale before the arrival of humans. for more info, visit this page Novarefuge.com . But I must inform you there are not up-to-date informations, and a lot of them are missing too, so here I come, who knew some things, and I can always ask :)

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