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An announcement showing a very early E-100 and a new infantry weapon for 1949. It will also provide info on the unique Panzer Elite Faction.

Posted by Lord_Wiffleby on Sep 30th, 2011

The Panzer Elite is rather different in how it functions from any vanilla faction. Sure, it still has the basic choice of one of three command trees and units that fulfill certain roles. However, its veterancy and tech system are almost totally foreign to CoH.

Before I cover any of that, though, here is the very early image of the E-100. Basically, I wanted to show this extremely early version because I want the community's opinion on how to proceed. There are several conceivable designs that the E-100 had that could be used. Send me image links if you like, just let me know what you all think it should look like. That said, here is the very early image:

A very early picture of something you all wanted

As I said, let me know what version of the E-100 YOU want to see.

Now then, on to another important subject: all of the Panzer Elite's non-command tree infantry have been completed! Before I give you a preview of them, however, I need to brief you on the new veterancy/tech system for auxiliary infantry.

First of all, Panzer Grenadiers are the most balanced troops available to the Panzer Elite, and are always available from the HQ. However, there are two other buildings the PE can construct to gain specialist troops: the Auxiliary Troop Headquarters, and the Polizei Headquarters.

The Polizei Headquarters can produce three infantry units: Polizei, Elite Polizei, and Strafbattalion Squads. Each one is a tech tier higher than the one preceding it. Each building advances independently of the other, or perhaps I should say that each building's units advance independently of the others. You do not advance your "tech" tier by doing research, but rather by fighting and gaining veterancy. Here is a brief chart to give you some idea of what happens:

Basically, once Polizei gain the right veterancy level, you are capable of building Elite Polizei. Once they reach the proper veterancy level, Strafbattalion Squads become available.

The same principle holds true for the infantry unit from the Auxiliary Troop Headquarters: Volksschutzen, Schutzen, and Elite Schutzen are each required for the other.

Commanders should also note that each unit will gain specific abilities and weapons as they gain veterancy,giving you reason to keep producing the lower tier units as well. Furthermore, since they become more effective as they fight, lower tier troops might actually be a cheaper alternative to elite soldiers.

In any case, let us showcase the new units, and a new weapon. You've already seen the Volksschutzen, who can be recruited by both the Panzer Elite and the Wehrmacht. So let us move on to the Schutzen:

Schutzen

Schutzen are troops who specialize in long range combat, and are fairly easy to kill outside of cover. Once they are in cover, however, they gain a great deal of accuracy and their received accuracy falls through the floor. As they gain veterancy, they gain rifle grenade launchers, which allow them to disrupt assailants, or to help their comrades in arms by pushing enemies from cover.

Up next are the Elite Schutzen:

Elite Schutzen

Elite Schutzen are marksmen whose quality almost rivals that of a sniper. In cover, they are practically invulnerable to enemy infantry, and their enemy had best watch themselves if they don't want to be splattered across the field of battle.

Let us move on to the Polizei Headquarters. Polizei have already been seen before, and all that needs to be known about them is that as they gain veterancy, they become capable of building roadblocks and other obstructions to deny the areas they have captured to enemies. Now that this has been noted, it is time to move on to the Polizei Elite, whose final arsenal has yet to be decided.

Polizei Elite

Polizei Elite are capable of capturing regions very quickly like Polizei, but provide other key talents, such as detecting stealth and being capable of holding their own in battle.

Last but not least, we have the Strafbattalion Squad, which is modeling the newest weapon for 1949, the SB-48. I should explain that this weapon represents a small change in policy for me, which is to allow some fictional elements into the mod, though not too many. I'll be following a policy of "if it isn't broke, don't fix it". That said, I'm sure all of you realize that this means I'll start accepting more prototype suggestions, and be putting old ones into consideration again. Fully fictional suggestions will also be suggested, especially for some of the as yet unannounced factions. Without further ado, here is the image of the men in question:

Strafbattalion

Translated from German, Strafbattalion means Penal Unit. In other words, these are men who have committed crimes and been sentenced to death by combat, with the only chance for escape being enough victories in the field. As such, many of these men are desperate to escape from their fate, and have the skills required to do so. As such, a substantial Polizei presence is required to keep them in line.

Though it is not easy to see the weapon they are carrying, it is the new Schrotbüchse 48. In English, this is the Shotgun model 1948. Germans realized they might need a new shotgun design if they were going to invade America and England, which have large cities, and in America's case, large populations with which to form resistance movements. The weapon is semi-automatic, and is altered from the basis of the STG-45. It fires pellets, as well as Brenneke slugs, which allows them greater range and penetration against single targets. Light cover is pretty much no match against this weapon.

That concludes this announcement. For credits, see the images page.

With Regards,
Lord Wiffleby

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p*a*t*t*o*n
p*a*t*t*o*n Oct 4 2011 says:

@viro (sorry, stupid buggy reply software)
and finally...
as for whether I would want to command 1 "perfect" tank or 3 "good enough" tanks?

1) three tanks are easier to spread out to conceal against air and artillery attack than one, and both the perfect and good enough tanks die or are crippled just as easily from a 1000lb bomb or 155mm shell hit.
2) it is better, tactically, to have three times as many armoured vehicles to set up a blocking position, and ambush, or yes, even launch an attack (not to mention the panther is more deployable than the kt). especially since your good enough tanks are, by definition, "good enough" to handle any armoured vehicles fielded by your opponents.
3) you can better afford to lose 1/3 of your three good enough tanks than 1/3 of your perfect tank
4) if you focus on building your good enough tanks, you can choose to have only 2 good enough tanks (and less trained crew members required) and devote the rest of those resources to producing some worthwhile, cheap, and effective fighters for air defense (volksjager) to protect your 2 good enough tanks from being turned into burning hulks by an il-2 or p-47.
5) ...really if you look at it, in this case perfect was really the enemy of good enough for the germans. really, the reasons for choosing a greater number of cheaper, sufficient tanks over a limited number of over-expensive, over-complicated, and over-engineered tanks are innumerable.

your production numbers are off, by the way: from 1943 to 1945 the russians produced more t34s than the germans produced tanks of all types during the ENTIRE WAR.
as far as a production war goes, less than 600 kts were built during the war - the russians built that many t34s in a month.

as far as sources go, calling yours perfect does not an arguement make :)

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stukatankkiller
stukatankkiller Oct 4 2011 replied:

the volksjeager often broke down since the germans didnt know how to produce good glue to hold the wings it cost a lot to make the gas guzzeling jet engine and it was only credited one kill, the volksjeager wasnt eactly the way foward since a wooden jet would ahve soon faced british and american jet fighter like the p80 or the meteor thatw a soperatinal in 1944, so if you think that volksjeager is a good design and the KT is not than your are not thinkign clearly or are just a fan of aviation tactics and would preffer the jet fighters, plus the vloksjager alo had a slow production rate not cause it was to complex to make but because germany didint have any good factories left, if US and biritsh didnt have air raids germanies KT would be a lot more common than they actualyl were

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies Oct 4 2011 replied:

Ya beat me to my comment lol

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p*a*t*t*o*n
p*a*t*t*o*n Oct 4 2011 replied:

yes, those are its actual wartime stats, but it certainly had more potential than the horton 229 or (lol) the "horton x" which viro was bringing up. i was mostly using it as an example of a fighter which would not have drained germany's dwindling resource pool. actual production just started too late in the war to make much of a difference. in reality the fact that it managed to see combat at all is impressive and the fact that it was actually able to record a kill is amazing.

however, if you are thinking that straight-winged jets like the meteor or shooting star would have been a match for a swept back design like the volksjager or '262, you clearly are out of your element when talking about aircraft. the '262 would have wiped the floor with allied jets in much the same way the mig17 did with the f9f et. al. in korea.

finally: "germany didint have any good factories left, if US and biritsh didnt have air raids germanies KT would be a lot more common than they actualyl were" - DUH!! and the same goes for the volksjager, the maus, the e-series, and every other fan(boy)tastic wonder weapon the germans threw down on paper!
the difference is, if the germans had effective and cheap jet fighters at their disposal earlier in the war, they could have better protected those same factories from being destroyed by allied bombs. how well will a kt, or even 1000 kt, protect you from even 1 b17?

honestly, I do wish that more people with your way of thinking had been in charge in germany: the war would have been shorter and we would have some really neat relics to look at in museams

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xxxviroxxx
xxxviroxxx Oct 4 2011 replied:

I was sitting writting a long end-line comment. But with that comment, you just lost all respect man. You clearly dosent know ENYTHING about the german industrial aspects. And i will not even try to debat with you about the me163 because of this line: "yes, those are its actual wartime stats, but it certainly had more potential than the horton 229 or (lol) the "horton x" which viro was bringing up". Thats just... amaizing... than... someone... can bring THIS up. just amaizing. thank you for aa good debat.

btw, the only addler and henchel turm is fake. builded by sebastian nast and a japan company.

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stukatankkiller
stukatankkiller Oct 4 2011 replied:

you are dumb, me 262 wasnt a DREAM jet it ha dmechanical flaws and it was shot down by p 51 mustang jets , the only advatntage they had was speed but if you can only make one effectice strike an dthan flew to avoid being killed in an actuall dogfight than your palne isnt great, plus the mustang was WAY cheaper to make and so was the FW 190 that was far more effective than in your mind germanies DREAM fighters that were FAR from perfect and by all of your post i have noticed that you like planes way better than tanks or at least you expressed your self in that way, do some reserch firrst the volksjeager and the me 262 had their faults but they were produced at the end of the war and didnt saw much combat (at least the volksjeager and both certanly less than the KT) so if you would have made the KT in the same time as the volksjeager so that you only had stats before the actuall serial produtction and mostyl hold them back in secret and out of frontline combat than the KT would have to had a near perfect service record since the few tanks operational (im thinking about 120 -150 (a tank is always harder to make than a plane)) would have seen limited combat and would mostly stay at bases and just stand there and be constantly

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stukatankkiller
stukatankkiller Oct 4 2011 replied:

relocated like the volksjeagers so their real flaws wouldnt show in such way and if you only had theoretical production numbers isntedof the actuall full production rate than yes the KT wouldnt have had any weakneses but if you think the volksjeager didnt have flaws than think what would happen to them in the field with their wings falling off from bad glue and their engines failling and the poorly qualified pilots driving them the volksjeager would ahve been a fail untill thsi problems were solved, the KT was not a fail but also siffered from poorly trained crews and with TIME this would ahve ben fixed but it was still a great tank, so you cant call a volksjeager a plane that would solved the war and the KT a bad tank when the yboth were VERY GOOD design but were rushed into production and suffered from poorly trained operators and soem flaws like underpowered or unreliable engines (yes the vloksjeager engine wasnt eactly the best but the better wasnt yet available) and in the volksjeagers case bad glue and in the KT bad transsmison , problems that woudl have been solved over time, and viro was right the tiger and KT were great attack weapons since they were both fast and nimble (for their size of course)

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xxxviroxxx
xxxviroxxx Oct 4 2011 replied:

AAAAMEN! and i hope this is the last word in the discussion. you cant convince this guy. but you did pretty good.

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies Oct 4 2011 replied:

My god its like your comparing there jets to modern ones hell no they wouldnt be perfect so stop, still better than all others the allies didnt have

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xxxviroxxx
xxxviroxxx Oct 4 2011 replied:

Me or him?

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stukatankkiller
stukatankkiller Oct 4 2011 replied:

viro he actually **** him slef up, since he stated soem contriversal facts XD it isnt to hard to turn that around to win the debate :D
amen to you brother

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p*a*t*t*o*n
p*a*t*t*o*n Oct 4 2011 replied:

ok stuka, honestly i gave up trying to understand exactly what point you were trying to make with your last post. nowhere did I say the 262 was a dream jet, but it was a DAMN sight better than anything the allies would come out with for another 5 years. educate yourself and look at the reasons the germans lost so many 262s to allied fighters before you call it a bad plane. no more spoon feeding, you have to look this one up yourself.

looking at the impact that air support has on armoured operations is not being biased towards aviation, it's called thinking in terms of combined arms and real-world situations. you can't isolate tanks from infantry from planes like its freaking command and conquer; you have to look at them all together to see how they all work best together, or how over-concentrating on one area causes you to lose out in others.

I'm sorry: your favorite tank just wasn't the uber war-winning killing machine you obviously would love to make it out to be. history and facts are on my side with this one. I love the king tiger too, it is one of my favorite tanks from ww2, but I know the limits of its usefulness and what it is and isn't capable of:
holding up a column of allied tanks until they can call down air support to kill it? yes.
win a war that had already been lost by 1943 due to incompetent blundering and poor planning? no.

at the most what we're arguing over can be measured by the number of months we could prolong the inevitable collapse of the reich with hi-tech toys. because even, EVEN if they had by some miracle halted both the russians AND the western allies AND slowed the bombing campaign to where they could actually produce enough weapons to fight back with...the war ends in august 1945. period. end of story.

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xxxviroxxx
xxxviroxxx Oct 4 2011 replied:

Ve day is the 8 May. Period. End of story. Go back to Your starwars mods. The big Boys Are talking.

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Panzert
Panzert Oct 4 2011 replied:

Yeah i think this debate should continue elsewhere as this is all pretty irrelevent to the mod at this point.

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies Oct 4 2011 says:

Take into account british and american bombing spam on almost anything :/ what do expect production wise from a country the size of texas compared to russia......

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies Oct 4 2011 says:

Don't take offence or anything but i think some comments like the 3 paragraphs a comment should be swept aside

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p*a*t*t*o*n
p*a*t*t*o*n Oct 4 2011 says:

as for you, viro, considering that you were using a source citing german wartime figures as your primary "perfect" source of information (because hey, fascists never lie or fudge the numbers to their benevolent, mass-murdering leader, right?) and have already demonstrated a painful lack of real-life logistical knowledge, I wouldn't call your respect something to value too highly.
I mean, come on, seriously? the flying wing design was something which wasn't fully ironed out until several decades later! even with the prototypes and blueprints from the germans to help them out, there wasn't a successful flying wing-type aircraft until the B2.
the 163 was available, it was cheap, and it was easy to make. of all the wunderwaffe that appeared, the 163 is actually one of the least ridiculous!

please, both of you, don't bother responding to this on here. we've already taken up far too much of LW's page. if either of you feel secure enough to actually have a debate in private without trying to score points with the audience, feel free to PM me.
otherwise, cheers to you both and have a good day.

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xxxviroxxx
xxxviroxxx Oct 4 2011 replied:

1. jentz and doyle is my primerysource.
2. The me163 wasnt a wunderwaffe.
3. The flying wing design worked. The horten brothers flew flying wings As early A's the 1933s.
4. You dosendt know enything about the Second World war. So stop pretending you dó.
5. I feel sorry id had to end like this.
6. Nice job stuka.
7. This is a great mod Lord. Keen up the good work!

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stukatankkiller
stukatankkiller Oct 5 2011 replied:

i couldnt agree more

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Rafenrazer
Rafenrazer Oct 6 2011 says:

Be careful how you go about implementing the E-100 (or tiger III as some sources claim). Firstly you shouldn't go implement it with boxy Krupp or similar concept turrets. These we're place holder designs created due to their ease of manufacturing in order to deliver a working, assessable prototype. A production turret would likely look more like this Static.hlj.com as had already said or like an up sized Panther II Schmalturm turret Achtungpanzer.com . Furthermore I'd have the track guards in a shallow curve, much like this scale model of ... the E-100 Germansecretweaponsnazi.devhub.com (or look at the second article on this page Germansecretweaponsnazi.devhub.com). Really if you want to suspend belief for us die hards out there, your gonna have to make decisions on to which part of these historical designs were BS and what was cold hard and practical.

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Rafenrazer
Rafenrazer Oct 6 2011 says:

Also take note that E-series numbering is deceptive. German scientists have never been known for stupidity, much of the quoted mass of the tanks would have been significantly smaller than quoted. These designs we're presented to a production board that assumed that 'bigger=better'. As such much of the quoted statistics are likely to have been exaggerated. E.g the E-50 is often quoted as being from 50-70+ tons in mass and would have replaced the Tiger II and the Panther. It is much more likely that the E-50 would have been a Slightly lengthened panther with better turret design, and 88mm gun and a bigger engine, it's total mass would have been between 46-55 tons. To add to this point, I'll show you a comparison between the original two tiger variants, and the two concepts for the E-100 Germansecretweaponsnazi.devhub.com (or scroll down here Germansecretweaponsnazi.devhub.com). As you can see the size isn't that different, so the mass of these E-100 tanks wouldn't likely be as high as quoted. I suppose what I'm trying to say is, it wouldn't be a slow tank, the Whermact had to deal with the trivialities of the early tigers, I doubt the design board would give them just more of the same.

Great work though all the same! More goodies to get us excited.

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QuakeRiley
QuakeRiley Oct 23 2011 says:

You've got the E-100 wrong, that would be the E-75 which was based on Tiger II hulls. If anything the E-100 hull would look more like a Panther then a Tiger II.

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Apollo_Kenney
Apollo_Kenney Nov 21 2011 says:

I43.tinypic.com
Tinypic.com
Tinypic.com
heres some pics of the e100... from: World OF Tanks i can get you a vid if you like...

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QuakeRiley
QuakeRiley Jan 13 2012 replied:

You're using WORLD OF TANKS as a historic example? Yeah, might as well **** on history.

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