Behold the Yuuzhan Vong Army! This mod adds the Yuuzhan Vong Race as a playable faction and all units of this era. We are a community of modders working for the greater goal, so anyone who wants to help or support us is welcome!
another unholy abomination....
but, the Y-Tie was actually quite fast, and deadly being a 2 person fighter armed with heavy lasers and an ion turret, 2 proton torpedo launchers and shields.
A short Q&A on Uglies:
Q1: Can you make dirty/rugged/whatever textures?
A1: We could, but we're currently not planning on making different textures for uglies. We just feel like untextured units take the priority.
Q2: When looking at the ugly it should have this and that particular weapon/defense/whatever configuration, can you make it so?
A2: There are enough arguments to support an almost unlimited number of sensible configurations of ships made of scrap parts, so we pick what's best for gameplay and balance. Deal with it.
It actually looks rather cool.
Now I just want a Mai Tai... thanks guys!
I have always been curious of the design. But now when i see it it seems stupid (not the model you managed to capture it perfectly), Im referring to the design.
Looks like the gunner can ruin the battle by shooting their own wings off :P
Well, it is only an ion Turret....
I never really understood the benefit of an ion turret on the ywing... wouldn’t a laser turret be more dangerous?
Well EAW dumbed down the power of ion cannon's, you can see that in ESB, its probably deadly against fighters but worthless against larger ships :p
In battlefront 2 it's kinda a minigun
Only way ion cannons would make any sense is if they could do more damage than a comparably sized laser turret. Perhaps ion cannons offer less recoil or something. Also makes sense if you like to capture enemy vessels but in EAW ion cannons usually are worthless compared to lasers.
They are only worthless in EaW, because most mods do not utilise the systems the game has in place for Ion Cannons.
Ion cannons were often used to take out ships without having to destroy them, either because they were supposed to be boarded (e.g. rescue prisoners) or just taken out long enough to perform a hit and run mission on another more important target.
And in EaW they can take out ships for a given period of time by taking out the engines.
In Rogue Leader, the ions are used to bypass defensive shields in order to get to bombing targets which are deep behind enemy lines. Sort of like an interdiction mission, rather than front-line bombing. Prisons of the Maw mission or something like that.
Then again in Rebel Strike, both the Y and B wing utilize their ion cannons to disable starbase defensive structures (shield gens, turrets, etc) in order to make actual bombing runs less risky. Again, an interdiction role, rather than only bombing.
So an ion Turret might be justified to disable shields faster and hinder an attacker, rather than standard lasers trying to chew through shields?
Hmm... why wouldn’t the kwing have an ion Turret then?
Ultimately it all just comes down to the author’s preference and what sounds cool…I mean in the real world. We all know how inconsistent the EU can be on details like this.
However, if we go full-geek and really dive into the minds of the in-universe designers it could be something as simple as…the designer’s agree with you in that the ion turrets really weren’t that effective after all. Not totally useless per-se but just not as worthwhile as a normal laser turret. It could also be that the roles of the ship had evolved beyond just simple interdiction and bombing. From what I recall, the K-wing was really meant to be more of a generalist with a focus on close air support and assault, which is different than interdiction and bombing.
Interdiction is precision work. It requires you to go in, eliminate one specific target (or series of targets) and get out. Hence the ion cannon. The enemy’s defensive turbolaser tower might take several shots to kill with lasers…where as a well-aimed ion shot can disable it much faster and that’s ok because you aren’t there to kill that turbo tower, you are there for another target…you just need to get there safely.
Bombing is more straightforward. But is again a more specific role than assault or close air support. It’s like comparing a B-17 to an Apache helicopter. Yes, both can blow up a bunker but which is better for the job? Is that bunker also surrounded by enemy troops that block the path of advancing infantry? If so, the heli might be the better choice so it can support after the bunker is killed. The B-17 on the other hand is one pass and done; it doesn’t loiter.
As far as sciences goes, an ion is an electrically charged molecule or atom.
We don't really know how the shields in Star Wars actually work, but I would assume that a shield that stops a laser beam (photons) and a blaster (charged gas bolt, so technically also an ion gun) also stops ions.
But what the hell, it's sci-fi.
The common theme seems to be that ions do less to no physical damage, but mess with all kinds of electronics, for example effectively rendering droids unconscious (see Jawas/R2 in Episode IV).
So for all intents and purposes an emp in the form of an energy or plasma projectile.
As I understand, the EU has been somewhat consistent in its portrayal of Ion cannons as being particularly more effective versus shielded targets, as in causing the shields to collapse more rapidly. Additionally, once the shields were down, they would wreck havoc on electrical systems, (not causing damage directly, but potentially secondary damage). This was favorable as described already for its ability to disable targets faster than they might be able to be destroyed (if destroying the target isn't mission critical), or for just being able to disable and capture (either crew complement or target itself). On something like a Y-wing, it makes sense, since the ion cannon could be used defensively or offensively to weaken shields (more than laser cannons would) before the payload is dropped. Blaster cannons and laser cannons seem most effective against hulls, not so much shields, Turbos are generally equally effectively against both, and ions (aside from disabling) are only effective versus shields. This is my understanding anyway.
Y-wing was originally a clone-wars design, the Ion Turret was intended to shoot down vultures. While a laser turret would do comparatively more damage to anything over fighter-sized due to better electronics shielding, shields, etc the ion would probably due better against the fragile vultures, a single hit would fry the droid brain whereas a laser hit to the leg/sings or armor could be survivable.
From an Original trilogy perspective, it is a bomber. Ion cannons do better against shields and where perhaps used to open up holes in the shield that a torpedo could get through, rather then having the torpedo explode on the shields.
Do you plan to make any new uglies ontop of the kitbashed original ones - like x-wings with just two wings and tie nose lasers. Or 3 Ywing engines strapped together with a basic cockpit on top. A lambda shuttle with rocket pods fitted on its wings and new engines. Maybe some 'Zwilling' inspired designs, say tie fighters stuck together in this way for tow functions, then put into battle through desperation. A-Wing turrets on tie bombers.
Those are just of the top of my head.
It's not a bash at the model - I've seen several mods include uglies but haven't taken the concept any further than the 3-5 existing examples. So was hoping your mod might do that
But....but WHY?!
*Pun intended
Love the artwork! Here is some construction criticism on the design:
1) Why no proton torpedo/missle launcher? The assembly should theoretically be intact, unless it was taken out to make room for other components... not sure what else would be needed.
2) I understand a greater power output (normal reactor plus power from wings), and only in this sense can I understand it being fast, since it only has the TIE engines, which were not designed to propel this much mass (a lot more than a TIE fighter). If anything, I would see only a small speed increase (equivalent to a T-65 maybe), but with potentially even heavier shields than the Y-wing).
3) Regarding Newgamemodder 's question - I agree that the wings really limit the ion cannon, making the additional of a second crewman negligible as a gunner since in reality it would only be able to fire either backwards or forwards, making it easy to just rig for one pilot.
Well, first of all that's just how the design has been described in Star Wars lore - and that usually means whatever the author needed the fighter for defines its purpose and overall capabilities.
A lot of those design decisions can be justified by this ship being built out of scrap parts and junk. You don't take a new Y-Wing and a new TIE/ln and slap them together. You salvage enough parts to build a flyable ship from the somewhat intact frames of two other ships.
Proton torpedoes are expensive -- it's a common theme for the Rebels having to launch their fighters without or only half a complement of torpedoes -- so why should some criminals and soldiers of fortune have them lying around? It's much more profitable to sell the possibly intact launcher unit to make the overall construction more lightweight.
Rule 1 in Star Wars: It does not always make sense. Don't overthink it.
There is no need to over-engineer and overthink designs like the uglies, they are scrap built units used by pirates and low life, they are meant to be weaker than military grade fighters, but still viable enough to justify their existence -- and that's what the authors who came up with them did. If we followed the capabilities some of the ugly designs indicate if analysed properly, more often than not they would be a way more potent ship than the ships they have supposedly been frankensteined from, which doesn't fit the overall theme of these ships.
I hear you, Kad. ;)
I know it's supposed to be made out of scrap parts, but would it make sense for this and other Uglies that would be at least given a basic paintjob that somewhat ties the different pieces together?