Rise of the Reds – or ROTR for short – improves upon the C&C Generals formula while also adding its own distinct elements to it. Most notably, the mod adds two completely new factions, the tank-heavy Russian Federation and the defence-oriented European Continental Alliance. In addition, the three original factions China, USA and GLA have been greatly expanded and redesigned in a variety of ways, with several new units, buildings, powers and abilities to explore and combine in your in-game tactics.
This new and improved version of Zero Hour's stock Spectre Gunship design will be available to USA generals in future releases looking to give their enemies a pounding they'll never forget. The image was released to by The_Hunter to mark his birthday and is currently the only available information on the new gunship; its specifics are yet to be revealed.
The new Spectre will also be available in future releases of Rise of the Reds' sister mod, ShockWave.
Nice. needs to lose the tank emblem. but with guns like that who cares!
but for real! can a plane fly with guns that big?
The guns are the size they are as if they were much smaller they wouldn't be properly visible in-game. Scaling has never been Zero Hour's forte, and SWR puts gameplay (in this case, feature visibility) above realism.
i thought the old one was good as it was. but i understand that its years later and might have had a few upgrades....
im starting to get scared that RotR is going to turn out to be a crazy spin off (like SW) then a likey expanion to ZH
I say that cause even Gen/GenZH with a few units were a little crazy but still plorsable <---(spell check)(apart from the US Super-wep)and for the most part RotR was following this line to. (its one of the main reasons i love RotR [and Gen/GenZH])
But with a cannon that looks like it fire and flys out the other side of the plane and take a good part of the plane with it. it's got more of SW or RA crazy wep's feel and i think it should go to the SW "Crazy" folder then the RotR "more like" folder but thats just IMO.
Dont get me wrong. i think the looks cool with the jet engines. (but i think in RL it need to be slower to fire without the air g force moving the gun to much. i could be wrong) none the less its a nice looking plane. i give it 5/5 for who ever made it. i Like it a lot but not for RotR
It's not a question of 'crazy' design, it's a simple question of noticing things in-game. For the record, I wouldn't be sorry to see them a little (or even a lot) smaller, but Hunter, who has an awful lot of experience at this sort of thing, knows how to design a unit so that it will appear best not only on a render (and this render does make the guns appear somewhat larger than they would when viewed from the top) but in battle as well. There's no point adding detail to something if you can't see it, and detail, aesthetic concerns, and indeed playability are ahead of pure realism as far as this goes.
As I've already said, scale-wise (and basic design-wise too, having a direct real-life equivalent), this is probably one of the less-crazy elements of RotR. How about a Chinook lifting a couple of MBTs - *internally*? That's far more ludicrous than making a howitzer on a plane big enough to see properly.
You sir make a realy good point.
a Chinook can lift MTB (i believe most MTB if not all) but it can not internally. The only thing i can think of that can make this possable is a larger vision of the Chinook. that make this porsable <--(spell check)
(checkout-lady: we have Chinook's in L, XL and XXL :p)
But i still hope that RotR still goes down the line of a likely(and Porsable) expanion. to a crazy spin off.
By "Porsable" you mean Plausible?
And its nice to see an update every now and then unlike the other mods I am watching. I cant wait for GLA and the Generals.
No, the Chinook cannot lift *any* MBT, internally or externally. It can carry at most about ten tonnes. MBTs weigh anywhere between about thirty and seventy. The only helicopter in the world that can carry heavy armoured vehicles of any sort is the Mil Mi-26 Halo, and even it is restricted to very light tanks such as the PT-76.
i have seem to have stated that the Chinook can lift MTB's without doing the reseach behide the statment. and after doing a bit of seaching i have found. JB was right.
For that i say Sry to JB
(ME: to say sry heres a friendship stick. beat me up all u want.... :P)
and with that i withdraw my statments
I only sead that i did from seeing pic's like:
Centennialofflight.gov
Mod.uk
With us talking about the Chinook here. The Russians have stolen the heli.... (:p)
Aerospaceweb.org
(it shows Mil Mi-26 heli JB was talking about.)
You don't need to say sorry, nor do I need to beat you with a stick. I'm just correcting factual inaccuracies. Such as the idea that Russia stole the Chinook. The Halo is about as far from the Chinook as you can *get*.
no no no im not saying there did. i was making a joke with a pic i find. with the Russian heli moving the US one.:P
Oh, right, I see where you're coming from now. Apologies. I'm used to 'Russia stole a US design' claims being in an entirely different context.
i hope we can buy specter gun ship in our air ship base.
lol XD
That emblem is a spectre gunship emblem btw.
i sead this once before. im not talking about that one. im tanking about the one on the back of the plane. (not the wing)
i remove this commect above ^
check those engines it has.
only chuck norris lol
make it as ac 130 hercule
*drools*
ooh pretty!
This is a really great looking render! Can't wait to see it in game!
And CommanderJRB makes some excellent points. Visibility of details can be hard in an RTS. These guns should show up about right in ZH.
Haha thats going to be a heck of a lot of recoil XD lol
The model looks awesome.
hmm.... I don't like the Spectre....the only good way to get a large cannon into the air and make it looking cool is....for example....the A64 Warthog....
by the way....it is not a question of..."you can not see it, if you make it smaller"......its a question of..."how can I make the smaller (more realistic) guns visible during attack ?"...
...using a plane it makes very simple...instead of rolling the top site to the target and flying "around" it, the attack move can be changed so that the plane rolls the underside a little bit to the target; guns become more visible. During the attack move the plane should fly by (not around) and giving a full broadside...
This game has tesla coils, hover tanks and a giant blimnp that takes four giant AA missiles to kill. Why do you care about realism?
The model is fine and will probably not change. To be honest, it looks far cooler than the old one and fits the game better because of the disproportionally huge guns.
My apologies, spoo, but are you seriously suggesting that the Spectre flies *upside down* in order to make the guns more visible? You do realise that it has to bank *in* to the target in order to turn around it, right?
A quote from a modder "Gameplay>Realism"
Besides this mod correct me if im wrong itsnt a total realism mod.
There are several realism mods out there so theres really no need to complain thats this unit doesnt fit realism.
You are most certainly not wrong, although there is a realistic *basis* for *most* of the stuff inside. That which there is not is a result of either a (carefully calculated) homage or as a result of gameplay concerns. It's not totally fiction like RA, and neither is it totally realistic like some other mods. It sits in-between getting, I think, the best of both worlds.
I do not really understand why so many people again complain about ROTR... It is a mod for a game that has speaker towers which heal infantry and vehicles, a building which fires a concentrated particlebeam without the antenna itself melting away due to the enormous heat, nuclear reactors providing as much energy as a cold fusion reactor, cold fusion reactors themselves who are supposed to be developed in the next 10 years, nuclear missiles who are way too weak compared to a real nuke, SCUD missiles who fly precisly to the designated area wielding 3 different types of anthrax, nuclear and biochemical weapons leave glowing fog, planes who can rearm in the air and tanks who can be brought to the battlefield via parachute, even though they are way too heavy for this, and dozers (or single workers) building a base out of nothing but money.
Mod weaponry is just the same: flying blimps taking 4 shots of the S-300 Grumble AA system, ginourmous Tesla Coils firing their blasts miles away and taking just as much power as 2 patriot systems (yes, Tesla Coils DO excist, but not as military weaponry), vehicles repairing wrecks of other vehicles in 6 seconds to full readyness and so much more.
So why complaining about the Spectre? It looks good and that is it.
well... apart from the US Superweapon.
its all Plausible.
-the speaker tower is to keep ppl inspired to fighting on. so... tank crews do fild repairs and troops use first air. (i got a boo boo)
-those nuclear rectours use a lot less unrinyem <---(spell check) cuase its a (lack of a better word) "field rectour"
-well tell the true i dont now a lot about cold fusion (i think its self making energy..... i think) so i dont have a explan for that one.
-China's nukes are small warheads. (i think the name for this is "tactical warheads" i could be wrong) but the nuke is not made to take out half of a nation. like some of the real big nuke that are out there.
-scads only come in one form or a other. if u upgrade the scuds. its like removing the old wrahead and adding a new one.
- the fog is there to show the chemical/nuclear zone.
-planes that reaim mid air..... thats new to me. i always have to go back to the airfield to reaim(plus a fast heal)
-tanks that come from the air. its a RL thing. for the most apart only the big nations can do it. but only small tanks and vechal.
-when i do have to agree with u on the building out of nothing. but the dozer is the surplyer (so to speak) or we would have a RA build system.(im not a fan of that system)
that sead. the mod wep's and vechels and a little more on the border line to the Gen/GenZH one are.
-the blimp taking a few hits before it goes down sounds dumb but Russia is working on something very close to this idea in RL (its only a prototype ATM)
- Tesla tect i think crosses the line when it comes Plausible. (but only just) maybe if u can give every troop a suit that can make them either (+) or (-) so they dont get zaped. its not realy Plausible.
- the vechel repairing vechels in sec's is a little streck of the Idea. but repairing Vechels in the feald is very Plausible. so u can forgive that one.
for the most part of Gen/GenZH is Plausible and RotR is following this line. but when u start useing weapons that dont look Plausible. its makes it more of a SW/RA game.
im not complaning about that plane. i do think its looks good. good for SW but for RotR IMO not so much.
Sry for the doulbe post. this site can only post so much. that why i did 2 post. :P
Massey, we know your opinion. That's fine, you can have your opinion. I still don't accept it as making a gun large enough to see on a jet aircraft is the LEAST of RotR's crimes no matter what 'excuses' exist for the other ridiculous claims (and no blimp can take an S-300 without being scattered to the four corners of the Earth, Russian prototype or no). It's not a realistic game, it's not Red Alert 2/3 either, and the team know exactly what they're doing with their stylistic aims. Hunter has a lot of experience modding and he wouldn't have made it that way with no reason.
But, of course, you're still entitled to your opinion.
I said that as well, and no Massey, Cold Fusion is at least 10 TIMES as efficient as the old type of nuclear energy by breaking cores into smaller atoms (because you fuse a ^2H atom and a ^3H atom to a ^4He atom + a Neutron). Speaker Towers do not heal the people themselves, you said yourself, they only get inspired, not really healed. Ok, the Nuke thing is ok I think. Still, the clouds are not there in RL, and that was my point after all, so the people should not complain about an aircraft with big guns after all. There is nothing more I wanted to say.
@Kamuik
for the record
i sead nothing about a nuclear rectours being as efficint as a cold fusion rectours.
the Speakertower thing u missunder stand. they are inspired to fight on so they just dont take hits and die. they get inspired to heal them self to fight on! (like to use first aid kits for healing)
ok the cloud vs HUGE gun thing hmmmmmmmmm i do see the point of the guns being notice. (hints the clouds for chemical/nuclear zone)
but the clouds are there to show the zone of effetion. but i feal the guns is in a diffrant group and cant be put in the "folder" but ill leave it at that. unless thing else comes to mind.
guys it's a bloody GAME. A GAME.
relax already, no need to flood entire pages with discussions that lead nowhere.
thats right its a game. a bloody good game! its a WAR GAME these no relexing! these only war..... where i hear that before :P
BURN THEM ALL! (Rotr qoute :p)
oh just for the record the Russian blimp is real
Thats is Damn good looking!!
i want it as a pet. that looks awesome
i have look at my almost trash spelling. in this "thread" (not sure if thats the right word)
i would like to sry say to any one that cant follow. i did most of them in a rush. :P
again sry.
PS i meant "same folder" btw
As I said, no biggy, and by the way, if I may said something offensive, I am sorry.
Jeez guys, why the long speeches? =D Lol the guns look like twin 120mm autocannons with a 250mm howitzer haha. Nice!
Make that a 400mm howitzer =D
awesome!!two gattling guns and a howizer.AWESOME IMPROVEMENT!!
Well, team, honestly i'm sick for the people who talk about your mod's realism...
If you wanna "shut their mouth up", why don't you make a pop-up guns for this Spectre Gunship (ex: just like Berkuts and Raptors, the weapons are hidden inside the plane, and when they're arrived at the target, the plane will reveal its guns. It's a good way to answer the aerodynamic issues) to answer E.A.G.L.E.'s opinion...
I think that's a good idea to add to this gunship...
with guns that big itl blow itself out of the sky with recoil
Man I wish the spectre gunship is buildable
Definitely never going to happen, sorry.
Having 10 С-300, I cannot destroy one Gerkulusa С-130. As it is possible-)
Gerkulusa? Not sure what you're saying at all there, sorry.
Oh, wait, just remembered my Cyrillic - you're saying that you can't kill it very well with Grumbles, right? If so this is obviously highly unrealistic, but as it's essential for the Spectre to survive long enough to deliver heavy damage (or it'd be a waste of a 5-star point) it'll have to stay that way.
Also this is definitely not an AC-130 any more; the Spectre I was a modified cargo plane, whereas this Spectre II is built only for war!
needs more windows, and it should be longer.
guns look somewhat small aswell...