Rise Of The Reds is an expansion mod for Generals: Zero Hour that adds the Russian Federation, European Continental Alliance and is packed with overhauls and changes to the original factions. Whether it's steamrolling Russians, indomitable European defenders, American high-tech, Chinese strength in numbers or the brutal cunning of the GLA - Rise of the Reds has a faction for everyone's tastes - even to take your opponents on land, air and sea!

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Iscariot24
Iscariot24 Nov 4 2012, 3:08am says:

Nice! :3

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Darko85
Darko85 Nov 4 2012, 3:10am says:

great but we have usa, china, russia, gla and west europe. What about east europe. Like, Serbia, Ukraina, Romania, Croatia and many others.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Nov 4 2012, 3:14am replied:

They are part of the Eurasian federation AKA Russia.

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MARS2588
MARS2588 Nov 4 2012, 4:46am replied:

Story-wise, Serbia and Romania are regarded as Russian allies, although they won't make an appearance in the game. Western Ukraine is pro-ECA, but also not actually playable and Croatia remains neutral. There's simply no way we could add all of these non superpower type factions without it looking really jarring.

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dcesarec
dcesarec Nov 5 2012, 5:04am replied:

Good point. But as Croat, i must share 2 facts here regarding Croatia:

- Croatia is part of NATO

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/nato_countries.htm

- Croatia will be from year 2013 part of Europe Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Croatia_to_the_European_Union

So there is no reason to make it neutral, since Croatia was never attracted to Russia in past like Serbia was.

And if i may suggest (now that i have already commented) a unit, i suggest tank Degman:

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m95_degman.htm

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MARS2588
MARS2588 Nov 6 2012, 3:41pm replied:

In real life, yes, but in the ROTR-future, NATO is pretty much abolished and the ECA is not a continuation of the EU, but a full restart which is essentially limited to less than 20 countries. As for the suggestion, the ECA already has its Leopard MBT, the Jagdmammut tank destroyer and the Manticore super-heavy tank. Our factions are fully planned out at this point.

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dcesarec
dcesarec Nov 7 2012, 2:53am buried:

(buried)

I understand, it was just a reply to this comment

"They are part of the Eurasian federation AKA Russia. "

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Darko85
Darko85 Nov 10 2012, 3:31pm replied:

alo covece ovo je igrica samo a da se stvarno desi ovakav scenario kao u igri, cisto sumnjma da bi nato uopste postojao a logika kaze da bi u svom tom sranju balkan morao da se ujedini vojno kako nebi bio kolonizovan od novih vojnih saveza.

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Darko85
Darko85 Nov 10 2012, 3:38pm replied:

i agry but maybu in future we have some unit from Serbia, Croatia etc. in Russian army. This is only rename of existing units. Many people from balcan play this mod. I know, we are not only one but...fortunaly we have long military history and many wars

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Veyrah
Veyrah Dec 18 2012, 11:47am replied:

There's not that much input from dutch vehicles either but i don't mind. in the normal generals there wasn't a European faction at all so just row with the paddles you have.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Nov 4 2012, 3:12am says:

While this model is nice, I'm going to miss the original Leopard :(.

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murauder
murauder Nov 4 2012, 3:54am says:

I think I'll call this the pepper shaker, why? Because it can blast shrapnel around itself at close range.

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Mernom
Mernom Nov 4 2012, 8:10am replied:

isen't that the same ability that the sentinile can be upgraded with?

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 4 2012, 1:56pm replied:

Yeah, pretty much. Amusingly, the current German built AMAP-ADS seems to use...'directed energy beams'. Sound familiar?

I'm guess the team didn't want to give ECA the same stuff the US already has.

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MARS2588
MARS2588 Nov 5 2012, 3:05am replied:

The Arena's primary purpose is to destroy incoming missiles. The fact that the explosion can also kill nearby infantry is merely a side-effect. The Leopard's grenades are a dedicated, fully automatic anti-infantry gadget. It fires a lot slower than both the Paladin PDL and the Arena, but it's useful enough to protect the tank against single terrorists or hijackers, which is quite a nice feature for an MBT.

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 5 2012, 10:50am replied:

I see. So it basically makes it a bit more resistant to a sudden lack of (anti)infantry support. Sounds rather nice, really.

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Overlord_Yuri
Overlord_Yuri Nov 4 2012, 3:59am says:

It's a blue tank...

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Comr4de
Comr4de Nov 4 2012, 5:30am replied:

Just like all the other ECA vehicles, imagine that?

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APB_ICE
APB_ICE Nov 4 2012, 11:40am replied:

Exactly. The blue camo' looks awesome, although the grey areas could be a bit darker/more pronounced, like on the Excavator for example: Moddb.com

Anyway, awesome!! :D

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yavuztezcan
yavuztezcan Nov 4 2012, 4:05am says:

loved it

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CaptainIstvan
CaptainIstvan Nov 4 2012, 4:13am says:

i wonder what are the uprades for this unit

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CaptainIstvan
CaptainIstvan Nov 4 2012, 4:15am says:

will it have chobram armour and a machinegun

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70 Nov 4 2012, 4:38am replied:

Hard to read the description ain't it?

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ConscriptDavid
ConscriptDavid Nov 4 2012, 4:50am says:

Leopard. Rawr.

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The_Freedom_Fighter
The_Freedom_Fighter Nov 4 2012, 5:14am says:

German engineering, tough armour at it's finest :D

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Yer_Da
Yer_Da Nov 4 2012, 11:28am replied:

"You call that armour?"

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The_Freedom_Fighter
The_Freedom_Fighter Nov 4 2012, 11:40am replied:

That too is German quality. They've got the best armour AND the weapons to punch through armour :D

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APB_ICE
APB_ICE Nov 4 2012, 11:44am replied:

Well, the Germans did invent the submachine gun, the first widely-adopted general-purpose machine gun, the first successful helicopter, the assault rifle, the jet fighter, the ballistic missile, and many other great innovations. :D

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Anubis_theDark
Anubis_theDark Nov 4 2012, 12:42pm replied:

Because ofc by your opinion a great innovation is something that kills as many people as possible :|

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 4 2012, 2:02pm replied:

Well, given the context, it makes the most sense to name those, now don't it?
And let's be honest. The helicopter and jet fighter (well its engines, anyway) went on to revolutionise air travel and the (in)famous V2 missiles (and their designer) were later used to kick start space exploration. One of the main goals of said designer, from what I remember.

So that makes...three out of five devices useful for more than just wiping **** out. Sounds like a decent score when talking about weapons.

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Anubis_theDark
Anubis_theDark Nov 5 2012, 2:28am replied:

Well that's like saying nuke weapons revolutionized power generation. But i'm pretty sure the japanese would've been happy with other sources of energy without having 2 cities leveled. The innovation itself is nice, sadly it requires thousands of death people to be done. And no one can ask the dead if it was worth it.

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 5 2012, 10:40am replied:

Japan had far more than two of their cities levelled. Only the other ones were done with chemical, rather than nuclear fire. And as a reminder, with the latter, there's a chance you'll be vaporised before you even know what's going on. You won't get off as lightly with the former.

And innovation doesn't require thousands of deaths. That probably has more to do with the circumstances that encourage it the most often involving various amounts of various groups doing their very best trying to kill the **** out of each other. Having unpleasant numbers of sociopaths in leadership positions probably doesn't help.
And let's be honest. The dead don't give a damn. Never did, never will.

That said, if you want to continue this, send me a PM. Don't wanna risk someone hunting me down and trying to kill me for almost completely unrelated walls of text I seem to be leaving around lately.

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GOLANX
GOLANX Nov 5 2012, 2:31pm replied:

exactly The US destroyed most of the rest of the Japanese Cities with incendiary bombs, much of the time incurring even greater damage than the atomic bombs. The use of the atomic bombs was far more humane than modern people like to admit.

of course the alternative to the atomic bombs would have been invasion, which would have been more costly in money and human lives on both sides. see part of japanese culture and religion is to never give up, it is their #1 societal value, to surrender or lose for that matter is to dishonner your ancenctors, to dishonner your ancestors makes you less than dirt in their eyes almost littlerally, the one way to save face is to perform Sepaku (suicide). Had the US invaded they may well have had to wipe out every last Japanese Person, this was their level of devotion. When the Emperor called for surrender the military started a Coup and tried to kill him, The Emperor may be god but the rule against surrender is stronger than him, to kill a god for such a crime as surrender, that put things in perspective?

also might mention that if they had not used the atomic bomb who knows when we would have learned of its existence, perhaps even never.

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 5 2012, 3:48pm replied:

Actually, that's probably not true. Sure, the soldiers might've held for a while but the typical civilian is still a typical civilian. Hungry, weary and very much inclined to survival. Even if the emperor says otherwise.
But he probably wouldn't. Japan was already trying to deal with the Soviet union since June and the only issue it had with surrendering were the allies demanding an unconditional one.
There's a good chance the Red Army steamrolling Manchuria, cutting off their last supply of resources and wiping the floor with their troops there had a greater effect on their surrender.

And a nuke isn't a weapon that's really worth anything kept under the carpet. Extremely expensive and hard to build and painfully hard to use properly.
Except, of course, if you start chanting "Si vis pacem, para bellum," and loudly proclaiming you have a doomsday weapon of some sort.
Or better yet, using it on a civilian population! You don't even get a war crime tribunal if you don't lose the war!
So they'd just find another excuse to use the thing on some visible target.

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Anubis_theDark
Anubis_theDark Nov 6 2012, 7:36am replied:

God i just love it when kids talk about **** they don't know **** about. Dude the difference between using napalm or any kind of high explosive device and nuclear weapons is that one does direct damage AT THE TIME IS LAUNCHED and the other ... well guess what - 60 years later and the effects of the radiation in those cities and within Japan is still felt. You see, nukes also leave behind a fuckton of radiation that will kill people for many many generations AFTER it was dropped. So try to think more with your brain and less with stupid movie material.

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 6 2012, 4:48pm replied:

Ah, alrighty, then. Public it is.
First off, I didn't mention the radiation because I was referring to the fact that a nuke might crush you with the shockwave or just outright vaporise you, unlike an incendiary attack, where you mainly have the choice between burning to death, inhalation of smoke, inhalation of carbon oxides, death from burns, all of the above or death from scar infection afterwards, if you're feeling exotic.
And about 80% of the residual radiation is released in the first day or so. At this point the radiation level in either city is pretty much the same as the global average. So, no, it will not persist for generations, most of that damage was done before they even knew the concept of radiation sickness.
So you can take that fuckton of yours and shove it where the sun don't shine. Or just leave it in the upper atmosphere.
Really, almost all the damage that is 'still felt' is the fact that you'll have trouble finding a house built before 1945 since it didn't leave a lot in the way of lasting genetic damage either, aside from the increase of cancer risk for those who were directly exposed.

Though nuclear weapons are tragic affairs, as far as life expectancy is concerned. Neither Moscow nor Washington have a life expectancy like Hiroshima.
They drop short by a whole eight to seven years.

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Anubis_theDark
Anubis_theDark Nov 7 2012, 5:39am replied:

Tl;dr Dude, i wasnt even answering you. I answered mcard and my comment was under yours since you answered him first. So stop acting like a frekin drama queen.

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 7 2012, 8:02am replied:

Doesn't change the fact that you were off by miles.

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Igncom1
Igncom1 Nov 5 2012, 2:33pm replied:

Great means more then good, great is a measure of power good or bad.

Not that humanity is particularly moral in any case.

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murauder
murauder Nov 8 2012, 12:02am replied:

actually the Russians made the first successful helicopter.

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Nuttah
Nuttah Nov 8 2012, 9:00am replied:

Assuming you're referring to Sikorsky, a Russian. He was already living in the USA at the time, from what I remember.
And Germany was already building building their own since the 'Focke-Achgelis Fa 223' in 1941 and the 'Flettner Fl 282' in 1942.
I'm guessing they'd have counted as successful had their factories not been obliterated by air strikes.

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APB_ICE
APB_ICE Nov 14 2012, 4:19pm replied:

All of this arguing over a simple list of military innovations... This is just sad. >:(

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Drunken_Soviet
Drunken_Soviet Nov 4 2012, 6:57am says:

I'm going to enjoy this tank when the ECA Faction is released.



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AirborneSn1p3r
AirborneSn1p3r Nov 4 2012, 6:58am says:

great job, the only thing that worries me is the russian smoke screens combined with their massive tanks :S

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InsurgentCeLL
InsurgentCeLL Nov 4 2012, 9:50am says:

I really like the new skin, but the model is a bit... tall xD

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kalidrone
kalidrone Nov 4 2012, 2:30pm says:

So i'm guessing this'll be the "Medium Tank" of ECA huh? Not bad. XD

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Ninja-117
Ninja-117 Nov 4 2012, 6:12pm says:

I was expecting a large furry animal, but nonetheless; my mind was blown.

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While the official armed forces of most European countries still operate a lot of their own domestically produced weapons and vehicles, the European Continental Army placed its faith in the latest generation of German armour engineering. Despite the shared name, the new Leopard 3 continues the tradition of its previous iterations from the 1960s and 80s and bears very few similarities with its famous predecessors. One of the core principles of the ECA was its strict decision to limit its offensive deployability to Europe's immediate sphere of influence - which at the same time was conveniently extended to include the strategically important region of North Africa. As such, the task force's tank divisions were organised and equipped under a classic defensive mindset reminiscent of the Cold War with the new Leopard being the most iconic product of this shift in priorities: Wrapped in several layers of highly advanced armour, the tank mounts a powerful 125mm smoothbore cannon that makes it ideal for duel situations against other tanks, especially thanks to its superior range - a trait that is shared by many ECA vehicles and can be further improved via the installation of a new gun that allows the use of a more efficient gas-based propellant. This emphasis on anti-tank capabilities does not mean that the Leopard falls short in urban combat where infantry is regarded as a greater threat though: As with many other ECA vehicles, the machine gun mounted next to the top hatch can be manned and the main cannon is compatible with a feared anti-personnel canister round dubbed the 'Shredder' by ECA tank crews. In addition, both the Leopard and the Gepard Flakpanzer are equipped with automatic close area defence systems that unleash a deadly hail of shrapnel towards enemy assailants that get too close for comfort.

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