Chinese Battlemaster Tank image - Rise of the Reds Mod for C&C Generals: Zero Hour

to give it still the C&C ZH feeling!!

That doesn't destroy anything. ;-) A bit unrealistic in too realistic reality... :-D

If it was remade too heavily it would give the impression that it acted differently in-game (which it doesn't) - it was basically a case of fix it up and move on to more pressing needs.

hei...why u dont give chinesse a new tank..?
those battle master is look to old for war..

Because the Battlemaster is a key and unique element of Chinese gameplay that the team has decided to leave unchanged to keep this feeling like an expansion mod to Zero Hour and not a conversion.

I know a good reason why the Battlemaster would stay in, if it ain't broke why fix it. Change some of the words to make it a bit more relevant.

I think it's a good thing they kept the barrel square because then it dosen't make the system requirements go up so some people who can't buy brand-new-top-of-the-line-models since their Dad got laid off so there is no more income to the family, like me, can still enjoy the mod.

why doesnt fix the model looks like real Chinese tanks like T-99?

Yes, and it's been there since Generals.

I know, but in Generals it was just a part of the design, no use of it.. but it looks more like a TOW then MG...

It has no use now either. Why bother wasting time that could be used on the ECA or GLA to highly detail an object with no function at all in-game, and which appears on a unit likely to be deployed in hordes and thus with a need to keep the poly count as economical as possible?

What? Dont understant where are you aiming.

His point is: why waste time making and CPU power running something that doesn't even work.

You mean that black (launcher) MG? Or what?

Yes.

No idea what are you talking about.

The Battlemaster is still a Battlemaster; it'll be spammed all over the battlefield. Keeping it low-poly keeps your computer's performance up. This visual update was also only meant to be a minor thing that brings most of the old factions' vehicles up to the times; if we made any more changes, it wouldn't be a battlemaster anymore.

Also, you're assuming that it will look the same during the entire game...

No point to keep this a secret as it's already revealed via a screenshot.
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Take a close look at that battlemaster in the lower right corner. See any differences compared to the render?

A visible nuclear reactor/tank? :P

Eh, I see it got a reactor and strange-looking thing on the back of the turret.
I still have one question: why it should be SO low-poly when the performance of today's computers became higher enough?

Because the SAGE engine used by Generals is notoriously poorly-optimised and even great computers are undone by the inefficient code. Try spamming infantry in Contra and see what I mean.

I tried. And my computer is alive (2,6 GHz; 512MB RAM; 256MB Video). I tried to spam battlemasters and it is still alive.

I have one more question:
Humvee and Scorpion are spam-units too, why are they higher-poly?

Then you obviously haven't tested it very well, because my 2.8GHz Pentium 4 with 1GB of RAM and a 512MB ATI Radeon X1950 Pro slows to a crawl. It doesn't on regular Zero Hour, which points the blame fairly and squarely at Contra's high-poly infantry models.
The Humvee is not a spam unit and if you'd played the USA properly you'd know that. The vanilla Scorpion is an extremely simple unit in terms of polygons and you haven't seen an updated one yet, so I have no idea what you're aiming at here.

you spammed the wrong thing, try building spamming infantry in contra, not battlemasters. Build 50 or 100 of them and see what that does.

I tried how about mini-gunners and tank-hunters. And my computer is still alive. Then I tried Sentry and Guardian drones (a lot of them) and it didn't killed my computer.

2CommanderJRB:
Why do you think that humvee is not a spam unit? Explane, please. Becaus it is the only ground attack unit for Wuperweapon General and Airforce General in original ZH.

Because Humvees are not effective when spammed against anything other than infantry, and even then there are better options? The Humvee is known for its 'lameveeing', or loading it up with Missile Defenders and Pathfinders and kiting enemy tanks. If you're sending them in waves at enemy defence structures then frankly you're doing it wrong.

No, the reactive armour is just a model enhancement. As far as I know the unit itself remains unchanged from 1.2 save the visual updates for this, Nuclear Shells and Nuclear Tanks.

Not to my knowledge.

Many things will be updated, but it's most certainly not every model. That would likely take years. Not all units will change either; some were intrinsically better looking to begin with.

IIRC that may not be the case in-game. Hunter said about the Overlord render that it displays a 6 (or 7, I can't remember which)-sided barrel in-game, but he forgot to update it for the render.

Well, it's four-sided in the screens too, so it's probably here to stay. Seriously though, it's a spam unit, and it doesn't look bad in-game. (nor will you be staring at spam units anyhow)

A higher-poly model for the ovie makes sense, for the BM, not so much.

Fair enough, then. I'll have to remember to check next time.

The Type 96 doesn't exist in the Generals universe, or if it does it didn't work very well. Generals isn't and never has been about real units, so the Battlemaster is the classic tank which Rise of the Reds, as an expansion mod and not a conversion, continues to use.

Realism is not a valid point when talking about ZH, in ZH there's a Particle Cannon and weird Microwave weapons that magically doesn't harm your own troops, in RotR the US has a hover-tank and the Chinese have a giant blimp that takes 5 huge AA missiles to down.

The BM is not meant to be a powerful tank, it's meant to be a cheap tank that's easily spammable.

China's newer MBTs, especially the new Type 99A2 is very much comparable to Western MBTs. In fact, the Type 99A2 is the only MBT that I know of that has an active laser system that blinds enemy optics and ,for those unlucky enough, literally blinds enemy Tank Commanders that are looking through their scopes.