Mideast Crisis 2] (MEC2) is a total conversion for 'Command and Conquer 3 - Tiberium Wars' set in the near future, letting you use modern technology (such as the Abrams, F-35 and Hind) alongside future technology (such as Drones, Airships and Medibots) in a conflict ranging from Jerusalem to Beirut.

Post feature Report RSS Modcast S02 E15

With the MOTY 2008 Winners Showcase coming to a close today, the crew talk about the awards and what makes Mods different from Addons.

Posted by on

With the MOTY 2008 Winners Showcase coming to a close today and with the overall lack of releases this week, the crew talk about the awards and what makes Mods different from Addons. Ryan is once again sick, so filling his spot this week is Mike Hillard the voice of the 2008 MOTY videos.


Releases:

Other:

So that's it for this week modders, but don't fear we will be back next week with more mods and goss for you all to enjoy! Don't forget to send your modding/gaming questions to dave@moddb.com and we will answer the questions on the show!

Comments
Henley Author
Henley

Just making a fix up here, at 15.50 mins in I said Member votes when I meant to say Visitor votes.

Reply Good karma+3 votes
Ryswick17
Ryswick17

i forgive you, don't let it happen again

lol jks, but seriously nice podcast (as usual)

Reply Good karma Bad karma+4 votes
Henley Author
Henley

Hahaha thanks man its good to know :P

Reply Good karma+3 votes
fuzzheadtf
fuzzheadtf

simple solution to the complaining about votes...

dont have a community vote for best upcoming mod... just keep that on editors choice.

i dont think the community has the intelligence to vote for best upcoming mod, it all boils down to hype instead of real content (gameplay that players have tried and can judge, instead of just screenshots and videos).

Reply Good karma Bad karma+2 votes
Captain828
Captain828

I don't think I would actually go as far as to say that the community is dum or some ****.

Upcoming mods, as stated in this modcast, are voted based on the PR of a mod.
Most of them don't even have a beta or anything palpable that us regular users have access to.
Moddb editors however usually have more info about a mod or even get to play it.

So... their idea of letting all upcoming mods/indie/[insert_word_here] to be exclusive to editor's choice awards is a great one.
Instead, they could let users vote on the best 10 upcoming mods, and then the editors would choose the most voted ones, BUT filter them as well.
Eg.: second place is a mod for a popular game, but in contrast to third and fourth places, it is far less complex... so you move it to third place or cut it altogether.

Also, why can't we, the players, have a Best SP/MP mod and Indie game award?? I agree that there should be a Editor's Choice one, but why not a player's choice??
After all, what is the difference between a player and a Moddb Editor that have both played that game/mod? there are, after all, both "players" and humans (ok, editors are gods... please don't strike us with lightning!! *goes to hide*).

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
Captain828
Captain828

Rethinking what I said about upcoming mods, I think it's better to let us do this:
- users first vote for 10 nominees (from all submitted, yet unreleased mods) for the Top 5 upcoming mods (without showing the number of votes, as they are just candidates!)
- filter the 10 candidates, first through the number of votes (that remains private) and then through the editor's vision (see example from my above post)
- let the users vote from the top 5 of the 10 filtered upcoming mods (without showing initial number of votes), not showing the number of current votes, as it was done now
- publish the results as voted by the users (without further filtering, as it would turn into editor's choice ;) )

This will require a bit more planning and effort from the editors, but the end result would be a quality take on upcoming mods from the community.

Curious to see what the editors think.
*hides again from lightning*

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
Tatsur0
Tatsur0

A bit of work but definitely an improvement on my idea.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Captain828
Captain828

IMHO, my way is more democratic than not letting us vote at all.

I'd actually take that as an insult...

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
DuckSauce
DuckSauce

excellent idea

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Herr_Alien
Herr_Alien

magical extending powers ... nothing sexual there, you say?
As for the crossfire, Tatsur0 did get caught in it, with the katana comments :)

Regarding community selections, keep them. I would say that it's up to the feelings of the game developer which prize is being regarded as more important for themselves. In that pov, most developers would love to get the editor's choice ;)

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
FriedchikenCamo
FriedchikenCamo

Because the old Crossfire boardgame(?) got brought up in the Modcast:
Youtube.com

Man, memories do come back and bite you in the ***. (o_o)

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
woodban
woodban

Someone mentioned Adventure Games, and that made me think, would it make anysense for moddb to incorporate so-called "Fanadventures" based on engines such as Visionaire2d, Wintermute or Adventure-Game Studio as indie games?

Reply Good karma Bad karma+2 votes
Henley Author
Henley

That makes perfect sense, its the case of these groups do not know of ModDB and what it can offer.

Reply Good karma+3 votes
Herr_Alien
Herr_Alien

And about mods: I feel that any change in a game is a mod. OK, they can then be split in several categories, but that doesn't change my opinion that a change is a mod.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Romagnolo
Romagnolo

Aaah, where is the MOTY by the public vote ?

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Tatsur0
Tatsur0

It's being put together for us now by the staff. Some of which are quite sick but still pushing on for our benefit. We've waited this long, just need to be patient a bit longer.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Lorem
Lorem

Wasn't the new Age of Chivalry released earlier this week?

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Tatsur0
Tatsur0

crap you're right. I'm sure it'll be on the next modcast.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
DuckSauce
DuckSauce

I guess I have behaved rather dumb at the time the results for upcoming mod came out, but surprisingly many seemed to agree with me, at first sight DBD really does look like a map pack, but even so there is more to the anger of the developers then just that.

Anyway I would like to apologize for anything rude or stupid I might have said.

Good modcast and nice explaining of the upcoming moty player's choice.
Btw, discussion about what do with next year's upcoming moty player's choice is interesting. Captain 828 seems to have already posted a sweet idea that allows voting but with some filtering. More work for ModDB staff, but less BASH BASH BASH from the community :)

Because really though, I doubt DBD got enough votes to get top spot from the modding community, most probably came from visitors from the zombie communities and shouldn't the awards be voted by the real modding community that plays more then zombie games? But yeah filtering by ModDB staff would already help alot.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
spnkr
spnkr

I'd like to say that I am of the school that , to quote, "a tattoo on the handmodel finger" is a mod. That is to say, anything changed [ergo modified] qualifies a "mod". TCs Mappacks,etc. are also mods, but are subordinate of "Mods". Yes, even TCs. My logic there is that a TC is a mod that converts [MODifies] totally the game in question.

Having said this, I concede that languge changes, so that it may be more correct to say that this IS a mod, and that IS NOT a mod at this juncture in gaming/modding.

I conclude that both fRactions may be correct in thier thinking. This school says a particular work IS a mod, and this [other] school says that same thing IS NOT a mod, but rather a "mappack" or "tattoopack", while not being a mod by itself.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
spnkr
spnkr

About community voting. Perhaps for up and coming, it would be satisfying to the communityto vote on "most anticipated mod" or somesuch.

As little or no actuall gameplay experience precludes any rightfull judgement community may be able to render regarding an "up and coming" mod.

While at the same time still allowing community to reflect what they believe WILL BE an exceptional piece of work.

Also keeping the "up and coming" award, but reserving it for those qualified to level a credible verdict.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+2 votes
Herr_Alien
Herr_Alien

Here's a thought: for any upcomming mod/indie, one condition should be to have a playable level/demo/development build/thinggie. This way, both the editors and the players actually get something to rate.
I think that should make it credible. Your thoughts?

Reply Good karma Bad karma+2 votes
KindredPhantom
KindredPhantom

I like the idea of panel voting. I think it would get less criticism if the moddb votes were done that way for all the categories. I agree with the idea of upcoming mods/indie being chosen by editors. I think that there should be one public vote for Mod of The Year.


Reply Good karma Bad karma+2 votes
Post a comment
Sign in or join with:

Only registered members can share their thoughts. So come on! Join the community today (totally free - or sign in with your social account on the right) and join in the conversation.

Follow Report Profile
Icon
C&C3: Tiberium Wars
Developer
ISOTX
Contact
Send Message
Homepage
Isotx.com
Release date
Mod watch
Follow
Feature
Browse
Features
Report
Report
Share
Related Games
C&C3: Tiberium Wars
C&C3: Tiberium Wars Real Time Strategy
Related Groups
2008 Mod of the Year Awards
2008 Mod of the Year Awards Event with 215 members
ISOTX
ISOTX Developer & Publisher with 6 members
Mod DB
Mod DB Official with 4,157 members