The Edain Mod aims to take you deeper into Middle-Earth than ever before and create a game worthy of Tolkien's books and Peter Jackson's movies. In our quest for lore accuracy, visual quality and deeper gameplay, we overhauled every aspect of the original game to craft a new, immersive Lord of the Rings experience. Discover the new factions of Lothlorien and Rohan, field new units and heroes for each of the existing factions, enjoy a visual style closer to the movies and unleash the power of the One Ring with individual Ring heroes for every factions. Light or Shadow, Defender or Conqueror... the choice is yours.

Report article RSS Feed The Road to Edain 4.0: A Dwarven Stronghold

Introducing the Dwarven stronghold and announcing our return to the starting castles and fixed plots of the first Battle for Middle-Earth game, this is the final of our three news posts detailing large overhauls of core gameplay aspects coming for Edain 4.0, our biggest version yet.

Posted by Lord_of_Mordor on Dec 29th, 2012

The Road to Edain 4.0: A Dwarven Stronghold



Happy Holidays, companions of Edain!

With the previous two updates, we've brought back a number of basic elements from the first Battle for Middle-Earth in Edain. Our search for a more rounded economy led us to the conquerable economic build plots. This in turn made the neutral outpost redundant. From that, we developed the idea of replacing ​​the problematic inn and beacon with a second type of build plot which the player can occupy in order to build faction-specific support structures.

After these steps, one question naturally arose: How far do we want to go in our return to the first installment of the BfME series? 

The original game used a completely different construction system: Structures were not built freely by mobile porters, but players instead began the game with a walled fortress or a military camp. These bases offered a limited number of build plots to construct your barracks or other structures. If you wanted more building more building space, you had to move out and conquer the neutral plots distributed on the map. 

The sequel removed these bases and gave players the freedom to build any structure they wanted in any number at the location of their choice. This is the established standard in strategy games and opened up quite a few new strategies. However, this system was also responsible for some of the most persistently frustrating gameplay and balance problems, such as the dominant strategy to surround the enemy's base with walls and towers to wall him in. Or to cluster so many defenses in one place that they became impossible to penetrate. Or building wells on the frontlines to heal units faster than the enemy could damage them. All of these are fun at first glance, but ultimately are detrimental to the game's health - mainly because they make the flow of the game static and greatly reduce the role of field battles. 

The predefined fortresses with their limited number of build plots offered the players comparatively less freedom. However, they ensured that every game would see dramatic siege warfare: Archers rained down arrows from the parapets, Orcs and Uruks stormed the walls with ladders and siege towers and rams pounded on the gates. This infused every skirmish battle with pure movie atmosphere. 

And because the player could upgrade his fortress in various ways, but was at the same limited in the number of defenses he could construct, the siege battles could be designed in a way to be exciting for both sides. In this area, the sequel could never reach the original walls: With walls your men couldn't even walk on and the possibility to build up towards a critical mass of impenetrable defenses, sieges were rarely interesting to play and never atmospheric. 

We took a long time to weigh the pros and cons of each system. Eventually we came to the conclusion that the advantages of the predefined castles from BfME I reign superior. Although it differs from strategy game standards, it is much closer to the spirit of The Lord of the Rings. The most important battles of the War of the Ring were siege battles. And while almost every strategy game offers free building, almost none feature exciting siege battles. We have therefore decided to bring back this unique feature of Battle for Middle-Earth in our mod. 

In plain English, this means that captains of Gondor and Rohan now command these imposing castles:


You can garrison the walls with archers and upgrade them with towers, catapults, banners and side gates. On the inside, the various castles offer between seven and nine sites for regular buildings. You can also build economy structures within the fortress so that you are not starved completely at the very start when you have not yet taken all external build plots or when you are temporarily pushed back into your base over the course of the game. Nevertheless, the player who controls the outer plots commands a substantial advantage and no general should cede them to the enemy without a fight. 

Evil factions like Mordor and Isengard are instead aggressors, and their camps are much less strongly fortified: 

Mordor Base Isengard Base

However, they can build frightening war machines such as siege towers, ladders and mines to storm every bulwark. 

But of course Edain has many more factions that the original game. We couldn't simply port over the existing castles and call it day. No, it was clear to us that if we took this step, we'd also have to create new strongholds. The enormous effort this would require was one of the main reasons we had shied away from this undertaking in the past, even though we are all huge fans of the original game.  For version 4.0, we finally decided to tackle the matter with all our energy. Here's what we came up with for the Dwarves...

Dwarven FortressDwarven FortressDwarven Fortress
Dwarven Fortress

This proud fortress of Durin's folk will be a formidable obstacle to even the most determined invaders... and while the Dwarves were the first of Edain's faction to receive an unique castle of their own, they will not be the last.
 
Another advantage resulting from the new system is that if we no longer have to take free building into consideration, we can greatly improve the playability of fortresses with narrow space like Minas Tirith. We can place build plots just like in the regular bases and program the AI how to use them. In addition, we have found a way to ​​finally get the AI to close the gates before an attacking army. Fans of epic siege battles have a lot to look forward to in Edain 4.0!

Of course, many other game mechanics will have to be altered as a consequence of the new fortification system. We look forward to your input here. Let us know which aspects you believe must be considered when making these changes and where you think further adjustments will be required. We are also curious which other elements of the first BfME you would like to see in Edain, and which elements of BfME you would like to see preserved throughout these changes.
 
Furthermore, we'd like to assure you that even while much will change, the core of Edain will remain in place. Our goal is unchanged: To provide you with the best possible Tolkien experience through a diversity of units, deep and interesting heroes and extensive attention to details from both books and films (including The Hobbit!). And we are confident that version 4.0 is a right step in this direction. 

We could go on and on about what you can expect in version 4.0. For example, there will be smaller camps with less fortifications on maps which simply can't accomodate larger castles. In addition, we are working on further improvements such as a new unit counter system. But that is beyond the scope of the update, and much of it still lies ahead of us. But because we want to work hand in the hand with the community on the future direction of Edain, we chose to give you this first look into what is to come now rather than later. We hope you enjoyed what you saw and look forward to your feedback! 

Finally, to adress the one question that seems to be on everyone's mind: We are resolved to finally make Edain 4.0, with all its sweeping changes, the version of Edain's debut with full English text. To that end, we have enlisted the community's help in our German forums in order to advance the translation, and because many users have lent a hand we have made significant progress. If you are fluent in English and German and would like to contribute, drop us a message!

We have an exciting year before us...

Post comment Comments  (50 - 93 of 93)
zaleot07
zaleot07 Dec 30 2012, 4:24pm says:

english !!! god bless you EDAİN MOD team ...

+2 votes     reply to comment
MacDougal13
MacDougal13 Dec 30 2012, 4:34pm says:

As neat as those forts look, I'd like to have an option to play either way. The RJ mod used those castles in a special game mode and they were nice, but I really prefer the flexibility of the BFME2 system.

0 votes     reply to comment
deathbirdw
deathbirdw Dec 30 2012, 6:06pm says:

em I was just wondering aren't there more buildings now for each faction than in the first game so you wont be able to construct them all without building a lot less resource buildings ??

+1 vote     reply to comment
Lord_of_Mordor
Lord_of_Mordor Dec 30 2012, 10:55pm replied:

Gondor and Rohan have the same number of buildings as they did in the original game, the Dwarves don't have many more either. Mordor has quite a few more, but we may move Minas Morgul and Dol Guldur to the supporting plots so you don't have to build everything inside your base.

+1 vote     reply to comment
giovane144
giovane144 Dec 30 2012, 6:41pm says:

GREAT JOB Edain Team!!!
But..., which month version 4.0 will be released on?
Thanks

+2 votes     reply to comment
Gnomi
Gnomi Dec 31 2012, 9:34am says:

Noone knows that:P

+1 vote     reply to comment
cowboymodgod
cowboymodgod Dec 31 2012, 11:13am says:

Any idea when 4.0 will be released? :)

+1 vote     reply to comment
DyslexicKrogan
DyslexicKrogan Dec 31 2012, 1:33pm says:

Cool about the English and the fortresses- they were one of my favorite parts of BFME 1.

I see only one problem with this move: Archers don't like to stay on walls - they tend to run for the open gates/postern gates or squeeze off of the walls when they sight the enemy and usually by that time, the enemy has closed in enough to harass your buildings/other units the archers should be protecting. This will become terribly annoying. I mean it's bad enough that archers on the ground tend to run out of tree cover and run in front of melee units when sighting an enemy.
I recall bringing this up a long while ago and I was told it was just how the game was. So my question is: Will a fix for this be considered?
Somewhere there has to be an engagement distance variable that can be changed or something.

(Also, there's that thing where a melee unit under fire from a mobile trebuchet/catapult will run up to it but then just turn around instead of attacking. I mean it's just weird to see Gandalf ride up to a catapult and then turn around until I manually order him to kill it.)

+4 votes     reply to comment
Gnomi
Gnomi Jan 1 2013, 10:44am says:

We will make some hanges concerning unit moving behavior, including clumping and other problems. I can't promise that we can solve all problems, but we'Re working on it and made some big advantages for solving some of them. :)

+2 votes     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 1 2013, 3:22pm says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Trailhog250
Trailhog250 Jan 2 2013, 7:22pm says:

Exciting news for 4.0! I must admit, I still feel a little wary about this switch to BFME1 style gameplay. But in the end, I always felt it was a chore and waste of time *usually* to build a wall in BFME2 when I could spam towers instead. If it will allow for a more advanced AI, a real 'keep', and siege battles (not to mention the real ones like Helm's Deep that may actually be playable with the AI now) I am thoroughly excited about this next release. And, it will get rid of the mindless building of farms around the map.

To those that think a BFME1/2 hybrid would be a good idea: if you have ever modded or been on a modding team you should know that nothing is more draining than doing everything TWICE. If the Edain Team wants to do it in the far and distant future then that's great, but for now let's give this new decision a chance and see what happens. Also a few have pointed out the differences between a wall and keep to a fortress and 'barriers'. That's obviously to further different the factions from one another.

Keep+Wall:
-harder to siege
-easier to destroy once breached

Fortress+Barrier:
-easier to siege
-harder to actually finish off

I do hope the armor/resistances/health of buildings, keeps, walls, fortresses, etc will be adjusted and balanced accordingly with this switch. As of now they all seem a little fragile to just be tossed in to this new type of gameplay.

+1 vote     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 3 2013, 11:53pm says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

PasserCat
PasserCat Jan 5 2013, 8:07am says:

In the last two updates, I say "wow!" and cheer them with my whole heart.
But in this update, I am not sure to be happy or worried
Happy because I like castle from BFME.
Worried because I think this change will disturb strategy of defensive players. If you decide to delete builder, we can't set up defense(tower, catapult-upgraded wall) at resource plots and support plots(that you decide to scatter all over the map). Then defensive players are forced to move unready army around the map to defend those areas unhappily and have no time to gather army to begin the attack or forced to use unfavor tactic(rush; I think it annoying to use).
In summary, I think you should leave option for defensive player such as remain builder but he can only build defensive structure(tower, wall, statue, well and maybe fortress?) or have small plots around resource plot and support plot to build defensive structure or other solution you can think.
At last, I think we should enjoy this mod equally, though we use different strategy ^^

+1 vote     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 5 2013, 9:36am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

BalrogSlayerGR
BalrogSlayerGR Jan 5 2013, 8:43pm says:

Sorry if Im ****** but the messed up part is we cant build walls for the evil factions that's some messed up **** why make the game go from "sugar to ****" good to bad and I hate bfme 1. The only thing I like is the campaign and the option to mount and dismount MUMAKUL now that was awesome. The build plots sound good but that BFME 1 style Castle **** gotta go sorry that's how I feel im thinking Edain was going to make improvements to structures, units, powers, and game play But the seige thing sounds realy cool I always wanted legions of mordor to attack my gates and die :D while I gain exp and great they should have made the seige style like the MEDIEVAL TOTAL WAR series and graphics close to that and I've been blabbing on about new units for mordor those ugly spear orcs a sooo weak so are the armored orcs WTF sending a bunch of orcs at a fully upgraded strong faction like Gondor! is only giving them exp weak *** units for Mordor....MAKE a CHANGE!

-3 votes     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 6 2013, 9:38am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

admiral_trenchx
admiral_trenchx Jan 9 2013, 6:39am says:

hey devs, im a big fan of all the changes. one suggestion for the dwarf fortress, if it possible put the inner fortress inside a mountain with the walls lining the outside of it (like erebor looked in the hobbit film). you could then make small gates that open up to the walls. to me the dwarves should have the strongest fortress and this would be more in tune with their identity

+1 vote     reply to comment
Gnomi
Gnomi Jan 10 2013, 5:06am says:

Hey admiral,
we talked about that, but didn't do that, as you are able to build new fortresses while the battle on other fortress places - it would be stupid if you would create a whole mountain there.^^

+1 vote     reply to comment
admiral_trenchx
admiral_trenchx Jan 10 2013, 4:40pm replied:

I guess thats true. Its a shame I loved the mountain halls, really gave the dwarves a more dwarflike aesthetic. I was also curious as to why a great deal of Rohans units were removed such as the westfold cavalry

+1 vote     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 10 2013, 4:42pm says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Gnomi
Gnomi Jan 11 2013, 4:05am says:

@ guest:
No.
Have you every played BfmE I? When the enemy came with tons of catapults the wall won't last long of course, but it costed him a bunch of gold. So you should be able to have more money => kill his catapults easily.

+1 vote     reply to comment
coo_snake
coo_snake Jan 11 2013, 7:31am says:

So... I just found out about this mod... Alas I can't speak german much, I tried playing, game seems excellent and refreshing, and reading about next version makes it even more exciting!

But still german... So any ETA on when english speakers will be able to play? Is it a matter of days, months?

+1 vote     reply to comment
Gnomi
Gnomi Jan 11 2013, 8:28am says:

As written in the latest news the next version of the mod will be in english.
But we don't know when this version will be released and we don't give dates about that. It won't be in a few days - as you can see we make massive changes in the next version and this needs a bit of work.:)

+1 vote     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 11 2013, 9:12pm says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Guest
Guest Jan 12 2013, 8:50am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Guest
Guest Jan 12 2013, 8:59pm says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

twnlove
twnlove Jan 15 2013, 8:24am says:

I hope Bombur moves soldiers only soup wasting module

+1 vote     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 15 2013, 1:35pm says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

daniele93
daniele93 Jan 16 2013, 6:33am says:

I think a drawback to the factions of mordor and isengard and the goblins in the movie because they too had strongholds mordor had the black gate surrounded by mountains you could make a fortress with only mountains and a gate otherwise factions as they do rohan horses can immediately destroy mordor, goblins and even if they had a fortress in the film are inside MORIA so theoretically they also have one, and isengard instead is inside a fortress itself, while the large ravine and Lothlorien are not provisti and fortitude in agmar game of the sorcerer-king.........

+1 vote     reply to comment
Klevdude
Klevdude Jan 17 2013, 3:09am says:

I really like this idea. But just for fun, why not add civilan buildings? that spawn 2-3 civilians from each building, these civilans will then walk around in the village/Castle. It would actually be awsome. Mabye add these buildings:

House(Non-profit, increases the pop-cap by 10-20*)

Market(Non-profit, makes your population healtier, and stronger. Increases unit dmg and armor by 1-2)

Bath house(Non-profit, makes your population more healty. Increases HP with 4%)

You could only have 8-10 houses and one market and one bath house in each map.

This was basicly for Gondor tho.
And these can only be built outside your walls within a radius like the walls in BFME2 module

Please respond what do other people/Mod makers. think?

+1 vote     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 17 2013, 11:55am replied:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

KingDain
KingDain Jan 19 2013, 10:48am says:

BOTTAAAA !

0 votes     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jan 29 2013, 11:39am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Magnifican
Magnifican Feb 9 2013, 6:51pm replied:

"Gnomi Dec 31 2012, 3:34pm says:
Noone knows that:P"

They wont tell! We just have to sit here and wait. Oh, and check in every day while eating some cookies! nom nom nom ^_^

+2 votes     reply to comment
djuulzor
djuulzor Feb 22 2013, 1:26pm says:

will there be another update on 4.0??

+1 vote     reply to comment
pallandoya
pallandoya Mar 5 2013, 2:09pm says:

Right now I really think about getting my BFME 2 working again. I'm a big fan of BFME 1, and I've always liked Edain 2 from what I've seen in clips, even though I never played it before. Castles for BFME 2 is what I've always wanted. Great job!

+1 vote     reply to comment
Guest
Guest Jun 19 2013, 1:46am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Guest
Guest Jun 22 2013, 11:58am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Guest
Guest Oct 23 2013, 9:35am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Guest
Guest Jan 8 2014, 11:32am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Guest
Guest Jan 27 2014, 9:46am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

Guest
Guest Jan 30 2014, 9:27am says:

This comment is currently awaiting admin approval, join now to view.

kieronm99
kieronm99 Feb 10 2014, 1:36pm says:

when is the release!!!!!!!

+1 vote     reply to comment
Post a Comment
click to sign in

You are not logged in, your comment will be anonymous unless you join the community today (totally free - or sign in with your social account on the right) which we encourage all contributors to do.

2000 characters limit; HTML formatting and smileys are not supported - text only

Icon
Battle for Middle-earth II: Rise of the Witch King Icon
Platform
Windows
Developer
Edain Team
Contact
Send Message
Official Page
Modding-union.com
Release Date
Released Jul 19, 2012
Mod Watch
Track this mod
News
Browse
News
Report Abuse
Report article
Related Mods
Edain Mod (Battle for Middle-earth II: Rise of the Witch King)
Edain Mod Battle for Middle-earth II: Rise of the Witch King - Single & Multiplayer Real Time Strategy
Related Games
Battle for Middle-earth II: Rise of the Witch King
Battle for Middle-earth II: Rise of the Witch King Single & Multiplayer Real Time Strategy
Related Groups
Edain Team
Edain Team Developer & Publisher with 9 members