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52 comments by Jerion on Jun 24th, 2015

Hello all!

Production on Revision 1.0 is finished. Some of you are wondering why we aren’t shipping yet. We’re addressing that today.

A while back we started incorporating tech into Revision that was a step beyond what anyone had ever done with this game. We implemented engine-level bug fixes and tweaks for the game’s rendering system, such as allowing decals (e.g. bullet holes) to appear in mirrors, ensuring footstep sounds occurred correctly, and increasing the limits for BSP geometry to ensure that our environments could be more detailed and more stable. We started using portions of what has been named the Revision Framework (so named because we led to its creation, not because it is exclusive to the inner workings of our project), a piece of tech that makes it relatively easy to expand on the game’s content and systems. We are quietly working on RF, intending for it to be released to the DX modding community.

Concerning the game's content, we have tied in continuity threads to the official entries in the franchise in the form of emails, logos, and other references. We also discovered some potential copyright problems in both our in-game and promotional graphics; we’ve been very busy reworking things to make sure those don’t become troublesome later on.

All of this lead us to feel extremely cautious- we want to ensure that when we release, there are no potential land mines waiting for us. So we approached Square Enix with the intent of making sure that everything we had planned was going to be fine. They’ve been very helpful and supportive; the processes has gone on longer than anyone anticipated, and we're taking advantage of the time to implement little fixes and bits of polish that were otherwise slated for the 1.1 update. On the one hand, we would love to get Revision out the door ASAP. On the other, we’re committed to making sure that we can release it and maintain it in the best possible way, and with as few stumbles as possible.

Thank you for your continuing support and patience. We almost have everything in place. And the satellites are ours when we need them.


[July 9 Update]

A few of you have been expressing concerns that Revision is related to Mankind Divided or will be a paid-for release. Neither of these things is the case- we have no involvement in the promotion of Mankind Divided, and have never considered making Revision a commercial product. We are not providing precise release dates for a pretty straightforward reason: We're holding some confidential talks with Square Enix to make sure everything is okay, and to make something cool happen, something that we aren't talking about yet, because it's not finalized yet. We've been having a series of back-and-forths to make sure that everybody on our team is happy. There are no real problems, just technicalities that have needed to be ironed out. At this point (July 9), we're expecting these things to be wrapped up shortly.

Everything is pretty much OK, and we're in a position where we have to talk to some people to make some things happen, and the timeline for making those things happen should be pretty fast, but is partially out of our control. All we ask of you is to please be patient.

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StantonDowd
StantonDowd Aug 22 2015 replied:

Junmarko... No, there's no surprise that they want to keep. That's a great ideal, it's very cute, but it's cobblers. I suspect there's more to UnderSeige's comment than people would like to admit. Otherwise you'd see less veiled comments from the devs. Anyway, don't worry - it's coming out soon. I just hope it comes out before I'm in an old folks home.

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Junmarko
Junmarko Aug 22 2015 replied:

"I suspect there's more to UnderSeige's comment than people would like to admit"

You're right, there's more. He forgot to admit he was smoking crack when he wrote that post.

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Zyme
Zyme Aug 22 2015 replied:

I'll ******* cut him.

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StantonDowd
StantonDowd Aug 22 2015 replied:

Jesus. You put up such an articulate argument. You almost convinced me. The last resolve from someone who has no valid point. At least he wasn't blowing the smoke up the devs arses.

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Junmarko
Junmarko Aug 22 2015 replied:

"We're holding some confidential talks with Square Enix to make sure everything is okay, and to make something cool happen"

Given the recent unexpected release of The Sith Lords Restored Content Modification for Star Wars KOTOR2, on Steam workshop, for free (Which was on ModDB for a while) - what makes you think this is any different, and can hold up your completely ludicrous argument?

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/07/22/kotor-2-new-patch-mac-linux-ports/

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UnderSiege
UnderSiege Aug 22 2015 replied:

"Given the recent unexpected release of The Sith Lords Restored Content Modification for Star Wars KOTOR2, on Steam workshop, for free (Which was on ModDB for a while) - what makes you think this is any different"

Could be, but unlikely. In this situation, CC would contact Steam, then Steam would consult their legal whether to contact SE, and/or sift through the mod's content themselves before proceeding. Steam would be the medium and deal with SE as that is their responsibility as a subsidiary of Valve Co.

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UnderSiege
UnderSiege Aug 22 2015 says:

Since the devs are being careful, I'll clear things up from a BUSINESS perspective as well as a legal one:

First, the EULA is NOT a legal document. It's an agreement, and not one necessarily based on actual laws. The only laws to govern software are those pertaining to intellectual property. Generally, these laws prohibit plagiarism, reselling of copyrighted material, etc. Mods are a grey area; it depends on whether the code calls for the intellectual property (like textures) or inducing modified ones. Even in the case of the latter, intellectual property will have a hard time holding up the court unless a mod has caused financial damage to the copyright holder. This is where business comes into play. Companies, with Bethesda being notable, love free PC mods. They increase the longevity of games by promoting interest and longer play times. They sustain hype for a series, which is good for future releases. The key word is hype. SE now fears that DX Revision conflicts with the hype they are building on the net for Mankind Divided. A more shrewd observer will claim the two are not mutually exclusive: one can play both. That is true. But from a business perspective Mankind Divided is a much larger money-maker, and they don't need any intra-series competition from past games. SE has a lot of pressure from companies like Sony and Microsoft to do well, because it's a major game that is supposed to contribute to a certain amount of console sales in a generation selling less-than-desired consoles. If there is even a CHANCE Revision will steal even 2% of their hype, they have cause to be worried.

Here's where the street smarts aspect of business comes in. SE knows that from a legal perspective, they have no case. They also know that even if they did, the extradition and court costs (remember, the devs are in Europe and SE isn't) would cost them more than what is gained. Much more. So, they send an email (which costs nothing but a little time) to the Revision devs, all friendly, with some BS about checking with their lawyers. "We're just here to help you, make sure you don't step on the wrong toes." They know the devs have little to no business and legal experience, so SE hopes they fall for it. I can tell you right now the whole thing is a stall. SE is looking for one of two things: 1) Stall Revision's release until after MD. This is a longshot, but WORTH a few BS legalese emails. 2) Starve Revision's own hype by stalling, converting that possible aforementioned 2% stolen hype to a 1%, saving tens of possible thousands. How do I knew it's about hype and stalling? First, I understand business. Second, look at the proof: over a hundred screenshots were removed as were ALL demos. This occurred around the time the devs supposedly contacted SE, which brings me to the next point...

The devs say they were contacted by SE, but they say that as not to rustle any feathers, the same reason they say nothing about the contents of those emails. If you flip through the comments far enough you'll find references to the devs being emailed FIRST. Also, why would a mod community email a company about making a mod? When in the history of modding has that been done? They need no permission. I guarantee you that if the devs approach a lawyer with this he'll say the same thing I did: EULA's are not legal documents, this won't hold up in court (they would have to find the code which does breach intellectual property), and even if it did, they won't spend the money on extradition over a game released in 2000. Also remember SE didn't own DX back then, making their case even more difficult. A judge will question whether financial damage was incurred. In business, money can be measured by more than dollars: hype, time, favors, etc. In law that is not the case. Thus, SE has no case, but they are concerned with hype as I stated earlier.

That being said, I suspect the devs are concerned about their careers, as some work in software and some like bjorn posted their given names, along with nation of origin.

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Junmarko
Junmarko Aug 22 2015 replied:

What a completely unlettered, borderline insane answer, to a question no one asked.

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haywan
haywan Aug 23 2015 replied:

You might disagree with what he wrote or think that he is reaching with his conclusions (he is imo). But, there is nothing remotely "insane" or offensive in his comment that called for a reaction like that. Peace.

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StantonDowd
StantonDowd Aug 22 2015 replied:

Hardly. He's speaking a lot of sense. It seems like there are a lot of sycophants on this board.

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Junmarko
Junmarko Aug 22 2015 replied:

Haha I'm a synchophant for mocking a lunatic? He makes no sense. His entire post is like a fire hose of ********.

This is a free mod, for a game that is fifteen years old, and open to modding from day one - as is every game that used Unreal Engine 1. Check the number of other mods for Deus Ex on ModDB alone if you think I'm joking.

There is no 'legal' conflict going on at all with the delayed release. It's because CC is trying to get the mod on Steam, which takes time, that is all.

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UnderSiege
UnderSiege Aug 22 2015 replied:

"This is a free mod, for a game that is fifteen years old, and open to modding from day one - as is every game that used Unreal Engine 1. Check the number of other mods for Deus Ex on ModDB alone if you think I'm joking. "

This is correct, and funnily enough, I made a similar point in my OP.

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UnderSiege
UnderSiege Aug 22 2015 replied:

"It's because CC is trying to get the mod on Steam, which takes time, that is all. "

If you open the homepage and Ctrl+F "Steam", you get zero matches. Also, people made this claim in the past and the devs denied it. This has nothing to do with Steam, unless you are privy to information the public is not. Care to share?

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StantonDowd
StantonDowd Aug 22 2015 replied:

No, it sounds more like a load of legal hush-hush otherwise CC would be more open with the gamers - if it were just about getting it on Steam. As you say, it's been open for modding for years and never have we seen this kind of nonsense within the community - and yes; you still sound like someone blowing smoke up the rear end of the devs.

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Junmarko
Junmarko Aug 22 2015 replied:

No, they just wanted to keep it a surprise, I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's ***. I have slammed the devs for ignoring/delaying the release just as much as anyone else.

What I have never done is throw completely bat-****, laughable accusations around, like there being some legal conspiracy cover-up. People like you are due the most mockery of anyone here.

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UnderSiege
UnderSiege Aug 22 2015 replied:

"No, it sounds more like a load of legal hush-hush otherwise CC would be more open with the gamers - if it were just about getting it on Steam."

This is correct. The announcements would have mentioned Steam. Steam loves new, quality additions like Revision and would take no issue with the devs building hype over an addition to their service.

But the announcements never mentioned Steam... Anyone can Ctrl+F (search) "Steam" on the frontpage if they do not believe me.

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Junmarko
Junmarko Aug 22 2015 replied:

Did you ever see a Steam announcement for the recent upload of "The Sith Lords Restored Content Modification" for KOTOR2? No. What makes you think this is any different?

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UnderSiege
UnderSiege Aug 22 2015 replied:

Actually, people did ask. They wanted to know what is going on between CC and SE. Since I don't have the emails, I can't paint 100% of the picture. But I can say what from a business perspective SE is doing. Half of business is "street smarts" ******** like this--stuff you don't learn in business school. I am in no disparaging the Revision team. I think they are being played.

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Junmarko
Junmarko Aug 22 2015 replied:

Still sounding insane. Haha.

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Jerion Creator
Jerion Aug 22 2015 replied:

Replygif.net

This is great stuff.

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StantonDowd
StantonDowd Aug 22 2015 replied:

If it's great stuff, as you say, you'd have a better argument. +6 from the sycophants. lol.

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UnderSiege
UnderSiege Aug 22 2015 replied:

SE is giving you the run-around. Ask any lawyer and he will tell you that you'll have no issues releasing your mod. I wouldn't be surprised if they never contacted their lawyers in the first place.

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