Eastern Front is a free mod for Company of Heroes. Following the ethos of mimicking a Relic Entertainment expansion pack, Eastern Front has succeeded in adding two full new factions, the Soviet Red Army and the German Ostheer, packed with unique and exciting units to the existing armies - a feat never before achieved in the Company of Heroes world.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier

Ah, the epic AA tank that never made made it into war. :)
Looks great!

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Walki Creator
Walki

Damn somebody noticed it! :D

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ubermensche
ubermensche

I'm not complaining about this awesome vehicle but why not the Mobelwagen or the Flakpanzer 38(t)?

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blackbishop Author
blackbishop

@ubermensche
Mobelwagen wasn't used in the Eastern Front, besides it wont be useful as it needed to be static and unfolded to fire IIRC. I already wrote in the description why the other wasn't suitable ;).

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Velancious
Velancious

But wasn't the Kugelblitz also not used on the Eastern Front? It didn't even serve in the war; it was still in prototype stage with only a handful of tanks made.

Just pointing this out.

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BurroDiablo Creator
BurroDiablo

At least one fought against American forces, the vast majority however are unaccounted for. Nobody can be sure how many were made, being so late into the war, but we're assuming they went to aid in the defence of Berlin. Do we know that for sure? No, we don't. But we can assume it for the purpose of having such an fantastic unique unit in game.

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Sturminfantrist
Sturminfantrist

Kugelblitz was not used in Service , only Prototyps built! Only One turret is ,iam not 100% sure i think in Wehrtechnische Studiensammlung ( of German Army)Koblenz preserved. But for Gaming K.Blitz is the better choice because it used the fast firing Aircraft Gun MK103 also used in Gunpods under German combatplanes like of FW190A or the famous Hs 129 B-1 Tankdestroyer. Its not Historically correct but a very welcome addition for EF and by far better than Möbelwagen because KB used a armored turret

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Caselius
Caselius

Even there was some prototypes, atleast one of em saw combat near town Spichra, also some sources said that they were used in Berlin.

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BurroDiablo Creator
BurroDiablo

Again, so many conflicting stories about the Kugelblitz it's hard to tell which one is correct. However - Network54.com Mihla.de suggests at least one saw action.

I'll add that the Sturmtiger used in the Warsaw uprising was also a Prototype. Prototype =/= Not used in service ;)

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Sturminfantrist
Sturminfantrist

Thats the same argumentation like with IS3 but when u see the thinks from this point , why u dont add the MAUS , one Maus was send to fight against the Russians ,But please do not misunderstand me ,iam very very pleased with this addition (Kugelblitz). Think that ur are right, thats possible, sometimes retreating units aquired everything thats useful , and wehrmacht used everything at hand in mid and late war so also Tiger P prototyps and MAUS !!! was send in combat and also older Typ training Tanks, Beutepanzer ...... , same with Luftwaffe were Fw190 D11/12 prototyps/evaluation aircraft were assigned to combat units. But Kugelblitz is not a serialprod.Tank and never in widespread use .

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BurroDiablo Creator
BurroDiablo

Well, we have to draw the line somewhere XD I beleive the Kugelblitz is that line. But it's good to know you're pleased it's in, it was a balance team suggestion to include it.

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Odysseus95
Odysseus95

I second this. Rather make the Maus a reward unit for the King Tiger or Elephant later on(in a patch, maybe?) to keep things spicy. That would make this mod perfect and would perfectly draw the line right there. Other than that, sh*t's incredible!

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BurroDiablo Creator
BurroDiablo

Maus would be incredibly difficult to balance and opens another giant can of worms over what we are willing to include (in this case, Superheavies). If the Maus is ever added, it certainly won't be available for MP/Skirmish.

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GeneralCH
GeneralCH

Guys, the KB was only added for gameplay reasons. It was the only vehicle left that worked different to other AA tanks and was not a simple copy paste of already existing axis tanks.
At least the KB served in the war and there is proof, unlike the IS3, which there is not proof at all.
Maus doesnt fit into coh, because it wouldnt work different to KT.

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blackbishop Author
blackbishop

@warhammerchaosgod
Maus is a completely different unit from a King Tiger or Elefant, let alone it is not needed at all. It is fine to keep things "spicy", but adding too much spice will be unhealthy for our mod.

Kugelblitz was added because from a balance perspective was needed.

Maus won't be used in EF MP/Skirmishes and we won't change this because this unit(kugelblitz) was approved ;).

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Odysseus95
Odysseus95

I understand. Thank you for the replies :)

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Panzert
Panzert

I don't think the maus should ever be added in any way, shape or form. It was a near immobile brick with a load of firepower and really would not fit into the gameplay at all.

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Zombik
Zombik

there was at least 18 Sturmtigers built.Small series production that was.

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crazychameleon
crazychameleon

what about the IS-3 that never saw combat too

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WookieeDavidson
WookieeDavidson

IS-3 saw combat in the last days of the Battle of Berlin, after that they were sent to fight the Japanese in Manchuria but since they rushed through so fast the IS-3s didnt reach the frontlines in time

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blackbishop Author
blackbishop

As said in one of the comments below, if you want to use Maus in EF, then use the combiner mod from the NHCmod Team.

Maus won't be ever added to MP regardless you point to Kugelblitz or IS-3 as not properly being used in WW2.

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Zombik
Zombik

only IS that saw combat in Berlin is IS-1 and 2

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WaffleAndy
WaffleAndy

Whoa love that blue gun powder effect

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Beddalla
Beddalla

That tank looks great! I love tanks that preform like the Ostwind and Wirbelwind.

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Gorgonzolette
Gorgonzolette

Nice one.... But would't it be somewhat better to release relaese Ostheer now and add such things later?

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BurroDiablo Creator
BurroDiablo

No, not after the v1.0 Soviets debacle. When the Ostheer is released it will be in a balanced state with all preliminary assets intact (vehicle models, weapon models, buildings, skins, etc)

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willychong8921
willychong8921

Maybe the camera is a little to off to show the Kugeblizt's signiture dome shape attached turret, I mistakenly thought it is a Panzer 38t until i noticed the dual cannon. Another screenshot please, just for the kugelblizt! :D

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moraman
moraman

I love the look of this unit. Sadly, it never entered service. But was it's advantage of it over the Ostwind and the Wirblewind?

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GeneralCH
GeneralCH

It served in the war, among all the other prototypes. However it was planned to replace all other AA tanks of this time, so it was very sure to be entered mass production. So imo it was not really a "prototype" anymore.

Its faster firing and covers a much bigger area than the other 2 you mentioned.

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Velancious
Velancious

I imagine the Kugelblitz was the successor to the Ostwind and Wierbelwind so it can be expected to be better than both of them.

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crazychameleon
crazychameleon

it didn't have an open topped turret so people couldn't through grenades into the turret and artillery was evermore deadly. They had open turrets as the flak43 and flak38 created lots of smoke

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Timgao929
Timgao929

Wait a minute, so they will use the blue tracer 2cm rounds?
By the way, will you give the T-90 AA tank green tracer? I have little idea of what kind of tracer Soviets used back in WW2, but after the war they used the green tracer. Will, guess I am too attached to cold war and modern stuff...

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Frenchy56
Frenchy56

Correct,the tracer color depended from the material it was made of.

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crabx20
crabx20

To my knowlage only about 7 prototypes were built. 5 of the prototypes were used to deffend berlin. The other 2 have alot of contreversey on what happened to them. I think you should make it to were you can only call in 1 per round to try to make it more historical accurate.

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blargtroll
blargtroll

Not going to happen, It will be a buildable tank just like the Panzer 3. Don't like this, go play blitzkreig. This isn't Anal-Retentive Hardcore Historical Mod Number 43, Its Eastern Front, The devs are never going to sacrifice game-play for Historical Reasons, That's stupid as this is a game and not some WWII reenactment.

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wrogumiastbram
wrogumiastbram

If you want to have maus, play combiner mod.

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Timgao929
Timgao929

Will if you guys are so frustrated with the prototype nature of Flakpanzer Kugelblitz, think about the 3,7cm Flakpanzer Ostwind. The Ostwind was just another prototype that never made it into real mass production, but yet it is in the CoH. The CoH is NOT a serious military simulation game like ARMA and Silent Hunters series, it is more for the masses than for hard core military simulation fan such as myself. Well, to be honest, even I love the CoH, because one can not only live with serious simulation games and 100% accurate historical datas.

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CadianConscript
CadianConscript

Hear, hear! =)

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WookieeDavidson
WookieeDavidson

Wont it be hard to balance this sort of vehicle, since as everyone else says its the same gun used in Focke Wulfs and Tank Hunting Henshcel 129s

wouldnt it decimate tanks with its effective rapid firing cannons?

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Sturminfantrist
Sturminfantrist

Believe me against the Soviet Army we need this sort of Punch, i dont know which Weapon VCoHs Henschel 129B used it depends on subtyp designation after the B- ,MK103 or MK101 or the famous PaK40 7,5cm gun used in late war, no Tanks can withstand the latter one

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Timgao929
Timgao929

About the BK7,5 you have mentioned, I think 3,7cm BK 3,7 or 30mm MK101/103/108 are pretty much enough for anti tank-role, given not even the most recent heavy tanks like Leopard2A6+ or ZTZ-99A2can take-on 30mm AP pounding their roof armor. The 7,5cm BK7,5 on the Hs129 in the vCoH was more an overkill. If you still think BK3,7 was weak, look at Ju87 Stuka ace Hans Rudel's killing frenzy with 3,7cm guns.

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Sturminfantrist
Sturminfantrist

Thats right but Rudel used G2 Stuka Version with 2 Bk3,7cm in wing gunpods this weapon is never used in Henschel 129 ,only one little series Me/Bf110 used this weapon too, with wolfram core Mun this weapon is very potent and penetrate almost every Soviet heavy when fired from above on engine deck, for Hs129 only BK7,5 MK101 and MK103 were used and MK108 was only used mostly as a Anti Bomber weapon in Me 109, Fw190A8 R2 or R8 (Rüstsatz) as so called "Sturmbock" heavy Fighter and last in Me262A1a Schwalbe Jetfighter (4xMK 108) or Jabo version Me262A2a (2x MK108) so MK108 is not suited for ground attack or anti tank role. I agree with u that BK7,5 is not necessary also only one little series of this Version is produced think about 20 or so at late war

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blargtroll
blargtroll

But you all are forgetting, the planes are attacking the tanks from above(I.E. The thinnest armor on the tank). The Boys .55cal Rifle can pen the top armor of a KT. The KB isn't Flying in from above attacking the top armor is it?

Meaning this tank is worthless against medium/heavy armor.

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TyXo
TyXo

This tank isnt made on the pz IV chassis, right ? Its on the PZ III/IV like the Nashorn ? The front armor is a little more angled than pzIV

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Walki Creator
Walki

No it's based up on the PanzerIV chassis (that's why it's "Flakpanzer IV")

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TheGreatKill3r
TheGreatKill3r

and will you introduce the Elephant as a playable unit....can be used as a very good AT gun

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blargtroll
blargtroll

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1. The "Elefant" will be in game as a doctrine reward, IIRC. Its a German name so you spell it like the Germans do, Otherwise you end up confusing people who think: "WTF Elephants were in mid to south Africa, and in India. Not in Russia!".

2. Its a 8.8cm Pak 43 L/71 On the Porsche Tiger Hull, I.E. a Tank Destroyer. Its not an AT Gun, as AT Guns have a crew that lift the gun's legs up and push it around the battle field.

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Ostheer needed an unit of this type, and because we didn't want to use the Ostwind or the Wirbelwind because they're Relic's and due to Flakpanzer I and Flakpanzer Gepard variants were not being suitable to be treated as late game armoured units, we have chosen the Kugelblitz(besides, it looks awesome).

Model and textures by BurroDiablo, animations by Walki.

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